I just checked it out. Microsoft seriously copied MacOS. It's so pathetic of Microsoft. The Task Bar is still boring. It will never look or be as great as the MacOS Dock.
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All I want MS to do is just tidy up the UI, improve WSL, improve scheduling a bit for heterogenous architectures, and rid the control panel. I think if they get two of these in the form of a refreshed File Explorer & other fluent apps + improved scheduling, I'm ****ing sold.
I love the Fluent UI and the approach to the start menu in the center alongside how instance management of a program occurs in the windows taskbar. By and far I am most productive and things *feel* smoother for me with WSL, real apt-get + bash, (no hbrew and crusty old unix ****) etc etc.
I definitely think NTFS sucks though.
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To be honest Windows 11 seems boring. Wasn't any groundbreaking features and not many new ones at all. Looks like this was just a "Catch Up" to MacOS since Apple has been killing it with Big Sur and the forthcoming Monterey. To top that off Apple has new ARM-based hardware to go with their new OS. Microsoft hasn't done a thing.
The dock sucks, because launchpad is a bloated carcass of a program alias viewer so therefore I, like many others, leave various programs in the dock. Throw in MacOS window management and **** just looks cluttered.
More to the point if they copied anyone it was Google a la ChromeOS. and no, no one has a goddamn patent on mildly transparent fluorescent UI bs.
BTW ChromeOS looks by and far the cleanest and most consistent of all three. And no, it's not due to cruft - Apple just renovated the entire MacOS UI. They just chose to have the UI appear palatable to wealthy normies glancing at a colorful "cute" iMac with stupid tiny toolbars and buttons glowing like candy.
I don't think Android apps are as big a deal as the tech press is making it out to be. First off, it is only Android apps available on Amazon (about 1/7 of the total universe). Second, it is running in an emulation layer. Third, there appears to be no real integration.
Same problem different solution. I just spotlight apps that don't provide icon tags when closed. I forget launchpad is a thing until I want to uninstall an App Store app.
Windows on ARM can run Windows apps originally written for x86. It isn't as smooth (since there is no equivalent of Rosetta on the ARM chips that Microsoft uses), but it does run most apps.
It doesn't and I'm still hoping Apple wins. It was just fuel for the legal battle and Microsoft trying to milk the whole anti-closed ecosystem.
I get this but for whatever reason I could never make Spotlight a habit like I could with the start menu search (which ofc I hid the search bar and used a shortcut.)
I tried various shortcuts with spotlight and though used it never like I did with Windows, I think because percieved search indexing felt so disparately time-consuming e.g. instant on Windows. Maybe I needed to be rebuilding spotlight more often.
and they are performing poorly according to the reviews I have seen.
Arm Windows only comes bundled with HW, nit available stand-alone - that is what I was referring to, that would have to change ...
but yeah I think we agree launchpad sucks - i dunno why as I'd love to have it on iOS but it always struck me as misplaced. It seems too disconnected from the userspace, to my cognitive maps anyways.
Maybe this depends on the type of apps you're counting... but without having any actual numerical stats in front of me, all I can say is it doesn't feel this way to me?
I mean for starters, there's never been a worse time for native Mac OS X game titles than the present... Almost nobody is bothering to try to code a new title for OS X these days.
But I'm also thinking of categories like business applications here.... Look at all the products out there to do a tax return. No native Mac OS X version for practically any of them except TurboTax.
lol pal this is such a baseline syllogism from observed behavior and market dynamics, the onus is on you, not me, to empirically demonstrate MacOS market share has decreased. It's that stupid of a claim.
As for the supporting arguments:
Gaming has to do with developers finally realizing Apple doesn't give a f$&& about gaming, the switch from OpenGL to Metal expedited this and further abetted the uselessness of MacOS as a gaming platform (tho it could be reversed due to the ARM transition!)
The TurboTax software is explained with similar ease. The web has won for **** like that, and probably the previous investments in the MacOS userbase for CRUD apps went poorly ^1, probably the web improvement and past experiments led to a different decision down the line from the C-suite guys.
1: What has not gone poorly is Adobe and Creative softwares use, or programming stacks. Did you see how attentive Adobe has been now vs then from PPC to X86? MacOS just didn't have the sway. It sure as hell does now.
MacOS is for three groups: Software devs, creatives, and anyone who both can and wants to be fully invested in the Apple ecosystem. It's not shocking accountants and gamers are uninterested. Apple don't care about them, and I don't blame them.
And the third group has grown due to IOS use, and I suspect this group has played the major role in MacOS' share growth.
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Apparently, I touched a nerve. I take all
your “Disagree”s as a badge of honor, FYI.
Maybe you are right but still tons of people were watching and enjoying the new OS. With all new new gaming features and XBOX game pass, its time for Sony to be worried.
That appears to be only for in-app purchases.
I'm really not motivated to do a lot of research to prove MacOS market share has decreased. (Technically, I believe it has increased a bit if we're just talking hardware sales.) I'm simply saying that as a long time Mac user who also uses Windows PCs daily in the workplace -- Apple isn't really giving any of us a strong feeling that it has an increasing amount of software support!
You can write off the entire genre of "gaming" as unimportant if you like.... but that's a BIG segment of the industry. Look at the annual revenue for game titles if you don't believe me.
Holding up Adobe as an example where Apple is doing well is .... unimpressive. It's no secret they've been a close partner with Apple for a LONG time, even when Apple screwed them over and essentially made them do a total rewrite of their whole product line to keep it working on their platform. But a increasing number of people are using alternatives to Adobe's high priced solutions to problems. (Take the Adobe document sign solution, for example. Used to be, the digital signature features were built right into Acrobat DC, adding justification for purchasing licenses for it. Now, Adobe got greedy and separated it as a product you have to pay extra for to fully "unlock" the functionality. Far cheaper options like "Zoho Sign" are starting to make more sense.)
"Creatives" have always been one of the Mac's niche markets, but again -- they're slipping here. Final Cut Pro is no longer the dominant video editing tool by television production houses or movie studios. For music production? People are bailing out of the Mac left and right because there are simply far more virtual instruments and other products for Windows than the Mac, and the traditional idea that the Mac was more stable for this task is coming into question these days. (We're long past the days when Firewire was the better/faster interface for music recording equipment. That used to be the big reason to choose Mac.) Another area where the Mac used to be dominant that's irrelevant today was WYSIWYG web page editing. The Mac always had superior tools to crank out a good looking web page or small site from shareware point-and-click tools like Sandvox .... but now, it's all about coding on a whole framework like WordPress instead.
I dunno? The tone of your post made it sound like you took my comments as a personal attack or something? I just find it odd because I've been heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem for around 20 years now. Definitely not "anti Mac" by any means. But I'm a realist and can see how today's Apple isn't what it used to be. I have an increasingly tough time cost-justifying one to a lot of people.....
That’s weird. Big Sur is stable and smooth on my 2014 13” MBP.
I don't agree with that - Windows still looks like Windows. Click past the 3 or 4 UI elements and you've got all the same icons and backbone you could see in more or less Windows 95. At least when Apple overhaul the OS look they do it down to every last element.
I liked Windows 11. It looks good. I am not sure which features you would expect. But I think the new features sound good enough. If you are a gamer, DirectStorage is set to deliver a real jump in performance.
As for hardware, Microsoft does not develop its own processors. Apple was able to make the M1 a powerhouse because it made good use of the economies of scale of the iPhone. Apple is a hardware company and makes software to differentiate its own hardware from others. Microsoft is a software company and makes software that can be installed on as many hardware devices as possible. Different core business models.
Microsoft themselves being one of the worst offenders. Hell, some years ago I lost a catalog of OneNote notebooks while migrating data. I copied My Documents folder from an external drive, which contained the folder with notebooks. Sometime later I installed OneNote, which happily wrote over that directory, deleting all the existing notebooks without any notice whatsoever.
So, if it is still an emulator and if you can only run apps (not native) from amazon appstore and not from google, what is the ****ing point?
If you want to run android apps on desktop, I recommend Bluestacks. They have PC and Mac clients, you can control your apps with keyboard and mouse, have features such as macro and autoclick (usually used while playing games), and most of all you can run apps from google playstore
If you want to run android apps on desktop, I recommend Bluestacks. They have PC and Mac clients, you can control your apps with keyboard and mouse, have features such as macro and autoclick (usually used while playing games), and most of all you can run apps from google playstore
MacOS?... is that you?
Windows is a horrid UX but I will give Microsoft one thing, they overhauled Windows like 3-4 times already yet the apps continue to work and support stuff from way back that could still run. In 20 years MacOS had like 1 overhaul and that is Big Sur. (not to mention the PowerPC->Intel transition)
But why are they even bothering with Windows any more? they don't even sell it?! How do they make money from it?
GOOD we want them to stab each other to death, win to the customers!! Remember how lousy Windows was in '98-2000 with Windows Explorer.
But I don't understand why would Microsoft care, they have like 85% of the market and their customers will never switch to a Mac so why even bother or consider Apple as a competitor even. They will continue to dominate the Gov+Enterprise market and all the sub-premium market.
Windows is a horrid UX but I will give Microsoft one thing, they overhauled Windows like 3-4 times already yet the apps continue to work and support stuff from way back that could still run. In 20 years MacOS had like 1 overhaul and that is Big Sur. (not to mention the PowerPC->Intel transition)
But why are they even bothering with Windows any more? they don't even sell it?! How do they make money from it?
GOOD we want them to stab each other to death, win to the customers!! Remember how lousy Windows was in '98-2000 with Windows Explorer.
But I don't understand why would Microsoft care, they have like 85% of the market and their customers will never switch to a Mac so why even bother or consider Apple as a competitor even. They will continue to dominate the Gov+Enterprise market and all the sub-premium market.
now windows 11 on a tablet looks dope, its makes the iPad look like a toy
Except they are already dead and almost everyone tablet owners moved to ipad or android. Apparently, tablet users don’t want to use desktop OS feeling it is too bloated for tablet and difficult to use with their fingers
It is amusing everytime MS tries to enter mobile markets, everyone says “Oh my god, MS will dominate mobile as well as desktop. Apple and google is dooomed!”, after some while everyone forgets about it, and then repeat the whole process
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