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I just tried windows hello with sunglasses, which uses IR camera too and suprise surprise... it recognized me, without me teaching it to.
 
I have upgraded every year and if theres no touch ID I may skip this year the question will be what to do with my Iphone fund money.
 
I will probably get the iPhone 8 instead of the X because of the TouchID. Unless of course they are covering up for their failure to get TouchID in by removing it across all phones... then I will at least settle for an X.
 
Amazing that with the D22 firmware leak, that it appears there will be FaceID and no Touch ID/home button on OLED ‘iPhone 8’ that’s really ‘iPhone X’ since 8 = 7s,

I still don’t like the idea of this.

Feels like they couldn’t integrate touch into the display, and might come in later iterations

I just don’t know...

And I’m not really wanting my face scanned to unlock my phone, no matter how accurate and quick it is

I guess we’ll have to see what goes down Tuesday to be sure, and get some hands on play with one whenever they release, but I’m dubious
 
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Amazing that with the D22 firmware leak, that it appears there will be FaceID and no Touch ID/home button on OLED ‘iPhone 8’ that’s really ‘iPhone X’ since 8 = 7s,

I still don’t like the idea of this.

Feels like they couldn’t integrate touch into the display, and might come in later iterations

I just don’t know...

And I’m not really wanting my face scanned to unlock my phone, no matter how accurate and quick it is

I guess we’ll have to see what goes down Tuesday to be sure, and get some hands on play with one whenever they release, but I’m dubious

What's the problem with your face scanning??
 
What's the problem with your face scanning??

I like interaction with my phone.

For example how is one gonna admire a lock screen wallpaper or look at notifications on there without going immediately to home screen?

And I really like the haptic feedback 7/7+ home button
 
I like interaction with my phone.

For example how is one gonna admire a lock screen wallpaper or look at notifications on there without going immediately to home screen?

And I really like the haptic feedback 7/7+ home button

There will be a deliberate action required to remove the lock screen as it is required now with Touch ID as well.
 
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There will be a deliberate action required to remove the lock screen as it is required now with Touch ID as well.

Probably but will it be finnicky?

Like how press to home is kinda stupid and something I've always disabled?

Or how 2nd gen Touch ID is so quick sometimes u gotta click it off the edge and hope it doesn't render a finger print and skip the lock screen

And home button is Iconic iPhone. The iconic thing people have taken for granted is now replaced with a chin ?

It's a parting of ways that feels too soon even a decade later since haptic feedback came out last year for solidnhome button and 2nd gen just two years ago.

And I like touching Touch ID to simulate a press of home button and swiping it horizontally to multitask toggling apps

But these are jailbreak customizations

And tap and short hold Touch ID to lock phone too

It's the little things

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Also presumably 8 will still be Touch ID and LED

So people that don't know if they wanna do face ID and give up Touch ID for an OLED screen and trimmed bezels, are now in a predicament.

It makes the iPhone 8 still very relevant even cheaper pricing aside compared to this X OLED

I don't like things being taken away either. HeadPhone jack adapter sucked until I got airpods.

But first they take that away now it's Touch ID?

What will they take away next year to "trim the clutter?"

I get that bezels are in need of a reduction because but it's like going from one extreme to another
 
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I wouldn't like to have to take 100+ selfies a day to get into my phone and position my head to the right spot etc..
Resting my finger at the home button for less than a second was so much easier.

That is a stupid way of implementing face recognition. It works using vectors in 3D space. Not taking selfies.
 
Face detection on my S8 is a real pain, but at least I can still use the fingerprint scanner. They're getting rid of the latter option here and it's a shame.
 
I like interaction with my phone.

For example how is one gonna admire a lock screen wallpaper or look at notifications on there without going immediately to home screen?

And I really like the haptic feedback 7/7+ home button

You’ll lift up your phone like you do now and admire the wallpaper or look at notifications.
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Face detection on my S8 is a real pain, but at least I can use fingerprint scanner. They're getting rid of the latter option here and it's a shame.

Yup, because face detection on the S8 is how it’ll work on the iPhone X. Right down to the detail in setting about how the faster face authentication is not secure.
 
I know what you're saying but it would feel the same thing as taking a selfie, you're sticking the phone up to your face from a certain distance or angle for the phone to read your face and unlock it.
I dont want to judge early and since from the sounds of it there will be models still with touch ID that's a good thing to have options.


That is a stupid way of implementing face recognition. It works using vectors in 3D space. Not taking selfies.
 
What about for people that cover up their front cameras like they do their laptops and seldom take selfies?

Going from that to infrared/deep spatial awareness seems like a big leap of faith too

The secure enclave talk was assuring in light of 2013 Snowden leaks and stuff, but what's the reassurance for a high quality sensor that can see better than even imaginable on paper?

Just saying..

It's kinda scary if a phone laying flat on a table away from the couch can "sense" you're there even if it's also really impressive unprecedented tech

I'm personally not that thrilled conceptually with iOS 11 doing all this "machine learning" too

Translating free hand writing to text in notes is impressive, but that's about as much "machine learning" as I think I might be enthused by
 
Probably but will it be finnicky?

Like how press to home is kinda stupid and something I've always disabled?

Or how 2nd gen Touch ID is so quick sometimes u gotta click it off the edge and hope it doesn't render a finger print and skip the lock screen

And home button is Iconic iPhone. The iconic thing people have taken for granted is now replaced with a chin ?

It's a parting of ways that feels too soon even a decade later since haptic feedback came out last year for solidnhome button and 2nd gen just two years ago.

And I like touching Touch ID to simulate a press of home button and swiping it horizontally to multitask toggling apps

But these are jailbreak customizations

And tap and short hold Touch ID to lock phone too

All of the points you mentioned there aren't really bad / finicky implementation from Apple, they are just your preferences.

It's the little things

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Also presumably 8 will still be Touch ID and LED

So people that don't know if they wanna do face ID and give up Touch ID for an OLED screen and trimmed bezels, are now in a predicament.

It makes the iPhone 8 still very relevant even cheaper pricing aside compared to this X OLED

I don't like things being taken away either. HeadPhone jack adapter sucked until I got airpods.

But first they take that away now it's Touch ID?

What will they take away next year to "trim the clutter?"

I get that bezels are in need of a reduction because but it's like going from one extreme to another

This is not called "taking away", this is called compromising due to space being at a premium. With your logic you might as well just fit in a radio within a full fledged laptop and start from there. Having possibly everything available at your disposal to be used whenever you feel like.
 
I know what you're saying but it would feel the same thing as taking a selfie, you're sticking the phone up to your face from a certain distance or angle for the phone to read your face and unlock it.
I dont want to judge early and since from the sounds of it there will be models still with touch ID that's a good thing to have options.

I really don't think such a "mission critical" feature will be implemented in a cumbersome way. I absolutely have faith in apple's engineering and design team to come up with a seamless solution to make it work without being "in your face" all the time. Let's just see what they have to show.

If its as bad as you think it is then I will be the first to admit it and probably will not even think of buying the device at all.
 
All of the points you mentioned there aren't really bad / finicky implementation from Apple, they are just your preferences.



This is not called "taking away", this is called compromising due to space being at a premium. With your logic you might as well just fit in a radio within a full fledged laptop and start from there. Having possibly everything available at your disposal to be used whenever you feel like.

Of course its a preference

But press to home is redundant, and inconsistent for me.

My thread title even says “for you” so, clearly, this is a thread asking about individual person’s preferences

Touch ID has been one of the cooler things Apple implemented, and perfected with 2nd gen, and it was so cool that Android OEM’s piggybacked off of it.

Now Apple is piggybacking off of an Android implementation, even if they go about it differently

Just like how Apple is piggybacking off of OLED, even though I certainly will be the first to admit I welcome this change (provided they can overcome the fact that OLED screens usually have poor outdoor visibility, something that is a tremendous strength of my 7+)
 
What about for people that cover up their front cameras like they do their laptops and seldom take selfies?

Going from that to infrared/deep spatial awareness seems like a big leap of faith too

The secure enclave talk was assuring in light of 2013 Snowden leaks and stuff, but what's the reassurance for a high quality sensor that can see better than even imaginable on paper?

Just saying..

It's kinda scary if a phone laying flat on a table away from the couch can "sense" you're there even if it's also really impressive unprecedented tech

I'm personally not that thrilled conceptually with iOS 11 doing all this "machine learning" too

Translating free hand writing to text in notes is impressive, but that's about as much "machine learning" as I think I might be enthused by

Do you actually understand the technology enough for being fearful? People who cover their laptop cameras are at a different level and there is a huge difference on how desktop OS and the iOS works in that sense.

I am not trying to put you down or anything but I think you are being worried about things that are almost impossible to achieve on iOS.
 
I hear you on that, I know Apple is good at what they do and such a feature will not be a pain or cumbersome like its implemented in some androids currently.
Looking forward to the keynote and hands on and review videos of it in action;)

I really don't think such a "mission critical" feature will be implemented in a cumbersome way. I absolutely have faith in apple's engineering and design team to come up with a seamless solution to make it work without being "in your face" all the time. Let's just see what they have to show.

If its as bad as you think it is then I will be the first to admit it and probably will not even think of buying the device at all.
 
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Of course its a preference

But press to home is redundant, and inconsistent for me.

My thread title even says “for you” so, clearly, this is a thread asking about individual person’s preferences

Touch ID has been one of the cooler things Apple implemented, and perfected with 2nd gen, and it was so cool that Android OEM’s piggybacked off of it.

Now Apple is piggybacking off of an Android implementation, even if they go about it differently

Just like how Apple is piggybacking off of OLED, even though I certainly will be the first to admit I welcome this change (provided they can overcome the fact that OLED screens usually have poor outdoor visibility, something that is a tremendous strength of my 7+)

Finger print sensors to unlock devices were already available on Android. They didn't "piggyback " as you put it there.
 
That's part of it that I dont get either.
If the front camera has no direct view line of your face how would it "sense" that you're there while its pointing straight up to the ceiling?

Just saying..

It's kinda scary if a phone laying flat on a table away from the couch can "sense" you're there even if it's also really impressive unprecedented tech
 
Do you actually understand the technology enough for being fearful? People who cover their laptop cameras are at a different level and there is a huge difference on how desktop OS and the iOS works in that sense.

I am not trying to put you down or anything but I think you are being worried about things that are almost impossible to achieve on iOS.

It’s not a matter of desktops/laptops get peeped on and iOS devices don’t, imo, dragnet surveillance is dragnet surveillance. It doesn’t distinguish between one tool being hands on vs another not, or moral distinctions between spying on computer users vs leaving mobile users at peace (lots of people these days only have an iPhone, and it has fully replaced having any need for a tablet or a computer). Or even that iPhone users cant be spied on but Android users can — thats Folk tale. Americans constitute iOS users more than Android by share, so

Of course I think the potential is there to keep a peeping passive, non-discerning eye on anyone and everyone.

Not Apple, per say, but three letter organizations that don’t care about Apple’s PR/philosophy of trying to preserve customer privacy and not sell off ad info like another organization that can ‘do no evil’

I think its naive to think that iPhone X hardware will overcome forces of nature, especially as the tools by which one could theoretically spy, if they so desired, become that much more useful, clear, and competent at their assigned task i.e ridiculously high quality sensors, spatially aware of surroundings. Feels like Sonar in Batman or something from the rumors


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That's part of it that I dont get either.
If the front camera has no direct view line of your face how would it "sense" that you're there while its pointing straight up to the ceiling?

I think its going to have a wide eye perspective of what it can capture, personally.

But this is like the million dollar question on everyone’s mind :D
 
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In regards to Face ID and the phone being able to unlock without holding it in a specific direction and also knowing your attention status (whether you’re looking at the screen or not), I’m sure it’s not a coincidence that all this ARKit work is being released with iOS 11 as well. Probably a lot of that in use here along with all these new sensors.
 
It’s not a matter of desktops/laptops get peeped on and iOS devices don’t, imo, dragnet surveillance is dragnet surveillance. It doesn’t distinguish between one tool being hands on vs another not, or moral distinctions between spying on computer users vs leaving mobile users at peace (lots of people these days only have an iPhone, and it has fully replaced having any need for a tablet or a computer). Or even that iPhone users cant be spied on but Android users can — thats Folk tale. Americans constitute iOS users more than Android by share, so

Dragnet surveillance is an open government policy. This should not be extended to specific individuals in theory and it does depend on the devices being used because method changes with technology.

Consider the bold statement- Is this your technical understanding or a blanket statement? Because I'd like some solid proof of iOS being hacked at that level by any research group. I might not be aware of.

The number of users on a platform is nowhere related to what can be achieved trying to hack a platform. It's entirely dependent on how a platform has been developed and what can be done with it.

Of course I think the potential is there to keep a peeping passive, non-discerning eye on anyone and everyone.

Not Apple, per say, but three letter organizations that don’t care about Apple’s PR/philosophy of trying to preserve customer privacy and not sell off ad info like another organization that can ‘do no evil’

Apple has successfully fought against FBI's pressure to open a backdoor on iOS and all the major tech companies have supported them. If the three letter organisations really want to spy on you then a piece of ductape will not save you. Be assured of that.


I think its naive to think that iPhone X hardware will overcome forces of nature, especially as the tools by which one could theoretically spy, if they so desired, become that much more useful, clear, and competent at their assigned task i.e ridiculously high quality sensors, spatially aware of surroundings. Feels like Sonar in Batman or something from the rumors

Don't get the "forces of nature" analogy there but it's technically impossible to take over a certain hardware process without the user consent on iOS and also hacking into other areas of the phone because of the sandboxing technique used on the platform which compartmentalises the field of the code execution within the app itself.
 
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