Would no Touch ID/face detection instead on iPhone 8 work for you?

[nrvna76]

Lots of technical data of what faceid is going to include. Hope it's true but there's a lot of faith here. My issue is, why not implement both? The only reason is they couldn't embed under the screen as intended. So, clearly they wanted to do both. Couldn't, and then refuse to put it somewhere else on the phone. They will then tell you why it's so great that they didn't give you both. And we will all ooh and ahh over it.

I'm not saying I like the placement of the fp sensor on the galaxy and Note, but at least you have the option.

This thing is likely to be $1k. What extra are they providing the casual user for the additional cost?

 

[4ppleg1rl]

True, I also saw a video I think of a girl unlocking her boyfriends phone while he sleeps by putting the phone to his finger

Yeah well I can kinda get behind that .... Would it work with facial recognition if your eyes are closed? Hmm. Apple ****ing boys over from day 1!
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Lots of technical data of what faceid is going to include. Hope it's true but there's a lot of faith here. My issue is, why not implement both? The only reason is they couldn't embed under the screen as intended. So, clearly they wanted to do both. Couldn't, and then refuse to put it somewhere else on the phone. They will then tell you why it's so great that they didn't give you both. And we will all ooh and ahh over it.

I'm not saying I like the placement of the fp sensor on the galaxy and Note, but at least you have the option.

This thing is likely to be $1k. What extra are they providing the casual user for the additional cost?

They should have put it on the back, so then in future phones they can embed it into the screen. Once they get rid of it, they won't ever bring it back. At least keeping it in a different place for now (convenient or not) leaves the option open.

 

[SwissGuy93]

As long as it's reliable and secure like TouchID, I don't have any problem.

I have one concern: anyone can snatch the phone out of my hands, point it to my face and the phone would unlock. I am looking forward to how Apple is going to tackle this.

What if they snatch your phone and press your finger on the touch ID sensor? Maybe Apple implemented something with Gyroscope where it detects fast movements. We don't know but we will now in 4 days. So let's all calm the f down and wait.

 

[gpoop]

New here and I just wanted to say that I could car less about touch ID or the new face detection feature. I've never used touch ID or pass code. Actually, I used a pass code once. After getting my first text having a pass code, I immediately took it off.

 

[akash.nu]

New here and I just wanted to say that I could car less about touch ID or the new face detection feature. I've never used touch ID or pass code. Actually, I used a pass code once. After getting my first text having a pass code, I immediately took it off.

Yeah you don't brag about stuff like that.

 

[profets]

Found within the leaked GM when setting up Face ID:

Attention is detected when you are looking at the screen. When attention is detected, iPhone does not dim the display.

Lock screen and cover sheet are going to become the same thing. The phone will simply be unlocked when you're looking at the screen.

 

[gpoop]

Yeah you don't brag about stuff like that.

What's the big deal? My phone is never not in my sight. It's either in my pocket or on my nightstand. No were else.

 

[akash.nu]

What's the big deal? My phone is never not in my sight. It's either in my pocket or on my nightstand. No were else.

If your phone ever get stolen or you get robbed, the crooks will not even have to try to find your personal info.

 

[Applejuiced]

Yeah I like to live on the edge too.
I just leave my car unlocked with the keys inside and my wallet full of cash on the dashboard while parked near the projects
You should be proud

New here and I just wanted to say that I could car less about touch ID or the new face detection feature. I've never used touch ID or pass code. Actually, I used a pass code once. After getting my first text having a pass code, I immediately took it off.

Yeah you don't brag about stuff like that.

 

[gpoop]

If your phone ever get stolen or you get robbed, the crooks will not even have to try to find your personal info.

That's a big IF. You do realize that anyone can just google your name and find out everything about you right? Like I said, my phone is only in two places. Also I wasn't bragging, I was just saying that not everyone cares about those features.

Yeah I like to live on the edge too.
I just leave my car unlocked with the keys inside and my wallet full of cash on the dashboard while parked near the projects
You should be proud

So not having a pass code is living on the edge? lmao

I'm sorry but that analogy doesn't even remotely compare.

 

[akash.nu]

That's a big IF. You do realize that anyone can just google your name and find out everything about you right? Like I said, my phone is only in two places. Also I wasn't bragging, I was just saying that not everyone cares about those features.

Erm, no! People can't just google my name and find sensitive info about me. That's called being aware of your internet footprint. Plus, if your phone get stolen, the thieves won't know your name to begin with to search, would they?

Fair enough, it sounded like you were bragging. Apologies.

 

[Macalway]

Geesh, Apple must be happy. Seems a lot of people don't need security

Problem solved

 

[Applejuiced]

For me it is dangerous and if the wrong person gets their hands on it will be a nightmare if you or anyone gets their identity stolen.
I have lots of personal info on my phone, also banking information and apps with multiple banks logins, mortgage companies, insurance companies, healthcare apps, an app that locks/unlocks/starts my car, private and personal photos, work related email access, work access to company data and lots of family information.
Do I want to risk all that sensitive data if I forget/lose or get my device stolen?
Hell no but glad you can care less about your information

That's a big IF. You do realize that anyone can just google your name and find out everything about you right? Like I said, my phone is only in two places. Also I wasn't bragging, I was just saying that not everyone cares about those features.
So not having a pass code is living on the edge? lmao

I'm sorry but that analogy doesn't even remotely compare.

 

[gpoop]

For me it is dangerous and if the wrong person gets their hands on it will be a nightmare if you or anyone gets their identity stolen.
I have lots of personal info on my phone, also banking information and apps with multiple banks logins, mortgage companies, insurance companies, healthcare apps, an app that locks/unlocks/starts my car, private and personal photos, work related email access, work access to company data and lots of family information.
Do I want to risk all that sensitive data if I forget/lose or get my device stolen?
Hell no but glad you can care less about your information

I don't have anything like that on mine. I don't bank on my phone and don't havework related things. Just social media apps, music and photos.

Btw, I apologize if I came off as snarky but I honesty found having a pass code a huge annoyance. Never tried the touch ID though. lol

 

[joeblow7777]

Yeah, I don't have anything like that on mine. I don't bank on my phone.

In this day and age you're the exception rather than the rule. Most people own a smartphone because of its mobile computing capabilities, and that includes things like banking, making purchases, and storing personal information. For most people, a criminal gaining access to their smartphone is as bad or possibly worse than them gaining access to their wallet. That's why having an unsecured phone seems crazy to other people. Everyone's phone is always on them... until they forget it somewhere or get pick-pocketed or mugged.

 

[Applejuiced]

Up to you.
Still not sure if youd like someone having access to your private photos, emails, text conversations or contacts and phone numbers in your device.

I don't have anything like that on mine. I don't bank on my phone and don't havework related things. Just social media apps, music and photos.

Btw, I apologize if I came off as snarky but I honesty found having a pass code a huge annoyance. Never tried the touch ID though. lol

 

[gpoop]

In this day and age you're the exception rather than the rule. Most people own a smartphone because of its mobile computing capabilities, and that includes things like banking, making purchases, and storing personal information. For most people, a criminal gaining access to their smartphone is as bad or possibly worse than them gaining access to their wallet. That's why having an unsecured phone seems crazy to other people. Everyone's phone is always on them... until they forget it somewhere or get pick-pocketed or mugged.

Up to you.
Still not sure if youd like someone having access to your private photos, emails, text conversations or contacts and phone numbers in your device.

Good point. I never gave these things a thought cause I've always been responsible with my phone but I guess I could always try touch ID. How fast is it?

 

[joeblow7777]

Good point. I never gave these things a thought cause I've always been responsible with my phone but I guess I could always try touch ID. How fast is it?

I have an iPhone 6, which has the slower first generation TouchID. It's literally like 1 second. If you use the home button to open your phone anyway, just let your finger rest on it for a moment and that's it. The second gen TouchID on the 6s and later phones is apparently so fast that people were unlocking the their phones before they even meant to, which is why the default setting is now that you have to press the home button after your phone unlocks to get to the home screen. But if you're all about unlocking your device with minimal effort/time, I suggest going to the accessibility settings --> home button --> and turning on "rest finger to open".

Honestly, I've found TouchID to be so quick and convenient that as far as I'm concerned there's no reason not to use it, no matter how little concern you have about others gaining access to your phone.

 

[cryptonator]

I am really going to miss Touch ID. It was so seamless, quick, convenient and worked with any angle.

With my experiences using the iris scanner on the S8:

- It is relatively quick (no major delays, but I would say the Touch ID would be faster)
- Works in most light conditions (but still not totally seamless)
- You have to hold it at a particular angle i.e had to have the phone directly in front of you
- You cannot use it wearing sunglasses (obviously)

Overall, it isn't bad, but it is going to be a struggle replacing Touch ID with Face Detection.

Whilst I believe Apple will improve on the Samsung version, there are still going to be issues with:

- Wearing sunglasses
- Having to hold the phone in front of you or at a particular angle (even with 3D detection)

Furthermore, it's going to be a massive pain using this phone in the car or holstered on a mount without Touch ID on the front of the phone.

 

[Gathomblipoob]

I am really going to miss Touch ID. It was so seamless, quick, convenient and worked with any angle.

I had the same great experience with Touch ID.

 

[Dave245]

I am really going to miss Touch ID. It was so seamless, quick, convenient and worked with any angle.

With my experiences using the iris scanner on the S8:

- It is relatively quick (no major delays, but I would say the Touch ID would be faster)
- Works in most light conditions (but still not totally seamless)
- You have to hold it at a particular angle i.e had to have the phone directly in front of you
- You cannot use it wearing sunglasses (obviously)

Overall, it isn't bad, but it is going to be a struggle replacing Touch ID with Face Detection.

Whilst I believe Apple will improve on the Samsung version, there are still going to be issues with:

- Wearing sunglasses
- Having to hold the phone in front of you or at a particular angle (even with 3D detection)

Furthermore, it's going to be a massive pain using this phone in the car or holstered on a mount without Touch ID on the front of the phone.

Apple is NOT Samsung, people should not be comparing a feature that Samsung has to one Apple is going to implement.
You won't have to hold the phone right in front of you or at a weird angle, this has been mentioned before but the "Face ID" can work even when resting on a table, as for sunglasses it's "Face ID" it may not need to see your eyes again there is a part in a 9to5 Mac article that says "Face ID" can read parts of your face for times such as wearing sunglasses. I'm sure that Apple have thought about all these different things long before we have.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Good point. I never gave these things a thought cause I've always been responsible with my phone but I guess I could always try touch ID. How fast is it?

Don't make the same mistake as I did. I refused to use a passcode and in 2012 my iPhone 4 was stolen. I was more worried about the theif having access to the contents of my phone than the loss of the phone itself.

 

[cryptonator]

Apple is NOT Samsung, people should not be comparing a feature that Samsung has to one Apple is going to implement.
You won't have to hold the phone right in front of you or at a weird angle, this has been mentioned before but the "Face ID" can work even when resting on a table, as for sunglasses it's "Face ID" it may not need to see your eyes again there is a part in a 9to5 Mac article that says "Face ID" can read parts of your face for times such as wearing sunglasses. I'm sure that Apple have thought about all these different things long before we have.

So it will work when the phone has been placed flat the side of the desk, so on a 120 to 180-degree angle?

How many points of reference will it need to successfully "detect" your face?

Will that impede on security?

What about reliability?

Will it be faster than Touch ID (2nd Gen)?

It is a ludicrous to state that people should not compare Apple's Face ID to Samsung (or even Samsung as a whole to Apple). Apple themselves have obviously done their due diligence and have assessed the faults present with Samsung's attempt at facial recognition, and as consumers, we too should be pushing to have these issues resolved.

As a result of this, historically speaking at least, Apple has created a better user experience, with Touch ID being a clear example.

No doubt Apple have thought about these issues and the aforementioned questions I have raised. But thinking about them and successfully addressing and implementing them are two different issues.

It goes without saying, ONLY when we actually have the iPhone X in our hands can we truly judge how successful Face ID is.

For my sake, I truly hope it is.

 

[Dave245]

So it will work when the phone has been placed flat the side of the desk, so on a 120 to 180-degree angle?

How many points of reference will it need to successfully "detect" your face?

Will that impede on security?

What about reliability?

Will it be faster than Touch ID (2nd Gen)?

It is a ludicrous to state that people should not compare Apple's Face ID to Samsung (or even Samsung as a whole to Apple). Apple themselves have obviously done their due diligence and have assessed the faults present with Samsung's attempt at facial recognition, and as consumers, we too should be pushing to have these issues resolved.

As a result of this, historically speaking at least, Apple has created a better user experience, with Touch ID being a clear example.

No doubt Apple have thought about these issues and the aforementioned questions I have raised. But thinking about them and successfully addressing and implementing them are two different issues.

It goes without saying, ONLY when we actually have the iPhone X in our hands can we truly judge how successful Face ID is.

For my sake, I truly hope it is.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/05/iphone-8-face-id-details/

https://www.cultofmac.com/498426/iphone-8s-amazing-facial-recognition-super-quick-works-dark/

https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/21/iphone-8-face-recognition-speed/

http://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-...ailed-3d-depth-maps-of-your-face-4025957.html

This is also an interesting section of a 9to5 Mac article/leak

Interesting to note is that the Face ID setup mentions being aware of when a user is looking at the phone. This falls in-line with previous discoveries:

Attention is detected when you are looking at the screen. When attention is detected, iPhone does not dim the display.

It sounds as though the new iPhone will be smart enough to stay on as you look at the device instead of dimming right while you’re in the middle of a good read. - 9to5 Mac details - https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/08/how-setting-up-face-id-iphone-8-will-work/

What I meant by comparing to Samsung was obviously once it's been announced/released yes but at the moment people are comparing Samsungs facial recognition system to Apple's which hasn't even been officially announced, just because Samsung have done something a particular way doesn't mean Apple will do it that way (in fact they probably won't).

Obviously we will know more on Tuesday but this "Face ID" is looking very good, obviously if these rumours and leaks are true (which they most likely are because the biggiest leak was that from Apple's Homepod and Apple's GM of IOS 11).

 

[kepler20b]

So it will work when the phone has been placed flat the side of the desk, so on a 120 to 180-degree angle?

How many points of reference will it need to successfully "detect" your face?

Will that impede on security?

What about reliability?

Will it be faster than Touch ID (2nd Gen)?


For my sake, I truly hope it is.

nailed it.


I have no problem using it. everything boils down to what you wrote:


is it as fast as 2ndgen touch id
is it as reliable as 2nd gen touchid.



if yes --> insta buy phone
if no --> nope.