Yes I’ll stick with the device that offers iris unlock and fingerprint scanning. Pretty sure no photo is unlocking either. Do try and get back to me though.
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Would no Touch ID/face detection instead on iPhone 8 work for you?
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Yes I’ll stick with the device that offers iris unlock and fingerprint scanning. Pretty sure no photo is unlocking either. Do try and get back to me though.
When did Touch ID not work properly on the iPhone 5s? I have had every flagship phone from Apple since the 5s and never had the tiniest problem with Touch ID (unless I had wet fingers :'D). And Touch ID was never slow to begin with. It was slower then Gen 2 but never slow.
And comparing a keyboard with the most important security feature of the iPhone is a bit of a stretch.
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The Iris scanner will probably be inferior to the Infrared scanning system Apple will present. And the Iris scanner was already hacked: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmor...s8-iris-scanner-hacked-in-three-simple-steps/
It's this kind of thing that i'm referring too, Apple don't just throw a feature in a device in order to be the first they take time on it and i'm pretty sure (it's not even been announced yet let alone released) that it won't be as easily fooled as Samsung devices which is why they tend to add many more features, finger print reading, iris scanning and passcode, they don't take their time to perfect!
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-note-8-fooled-face-unlock-not-secure/
I would not want the above to happen, easily unlocked via a selfie! If Apple's "Face ID" is replacing Touch ID then I'm sure they have found a way to perfect it, far better than Samsung have at least.
And yes the Iris scanner has been hacked using a photo and a contact lens
https://gizmodo.com/its-alarmingly-easy-to-hack-the-galaxy-s8s-iris-scanner-1795466164
It would have to be as fast as touch ID, more secure than samsungs or windows facial recognition which allows pictures to unlock.
I don't want to have to hold it 3 inches from my face either, I want multiple angles to unlock.
if it has none of those then it's a failure because touch ID is already the best right now.
I don't want to have to hold it 3 inches from my face either, I want multiple angles to unlock.
if it has none of those then it's a failure because touch ID is already the best right now.
Lol you actually read that “hack”. Good luck with that.
And FYI Touch ID has been “hacked” with play doh. True story.
Though these so called hacks would never work in the real world unless the CIA and rendition is involved.
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I'm with you, but you never know.
Unlike the headphone jack, which didn't affect my listening with headphones, seems like no technology or combination of technologies can really replace touch id.
Again, why? Can you please elaborate? Because I see no use case where Touch ID would be superior.
Taking the phone out of my pocket and having it already unlocked is one use case and the best use case. Second use case is being able to get into the phone while not looking directly at the front.
But how many times do you really do that? And if I am right with my guess than Face ID will instantanious. You will not even notice that your phone was locked by the time that you look at it. But yes, that is a valid point. The second I don't see as a problem for me personally.
Bet your buck if Apple takes a hiatus with Touch ID with iPhone 8 and it returns with iPhone 8S, expect a 10 minute long standing ovation.
Touch ID is way too good of a product to abandon.
Yup, no issue for me at all. I expect Face ID to work better and faster than Touch ID, with even better security since it's a 3D model of your head and not just a picture scanner like the competition. Looking forward to the change.
If Touch ID is gone, it's gone. How would they present it, hmm? Be there like; "Remember guys when we weren't able to implement it? Well, guess what! We finally made it!"
No reason to bring it back if Face ID is better, which it is rumored to be. Why would I rather touch my phone to unlock when I can just look at it?
That sounds like a big pain in the rear to me.
I'd rather just put my finger on the home for less than a second but I'll wait to see what its really about when its announced soon.
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One could reconstruct a model face with the same dimensions as someone else for example to get in their device or stick the phone in the face to unlock it.
I'd rather just put my finger on the home for less than a second but I'll wait to see what its really about when its announced soon.
[doublepost=1504790449][/doublepost]I can only imagine the jealous girlfriends holding their boyfriends phone near their face while they sleep to snoop aroundWell it's NOT going to be like Samsung's. The code of the HomePod firmware indicates that it works with Infrared, which would be much more faster and more convienent than the Samsung approach.
Why does everyone think it'll be terrible?
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Here is how it'll probably work:
-Your phone is in a locked state. Face ID is turned off.
-You activate your phone either in a laying state or in your hand (raise to wake, tap on the screen etc)
-Face ID is active and recognizes your Face -> your phone is unlocked but stays on the Lock / notification screen
-Awareness detection kicks in
-You look away or someone else takes your phone (your phone is still on the lock / notification screen)
-The awareness detection detects a face other than yours -> the phone locks.
Of course if you are passed the lock / notification screen your phone will still be accessible. But that is the same with Touch ID.
I think Face ID will be huge. It will work seemlessly, and add another layer of security to it.
lol[doublepost=1504790631][/doublepost]It would be less secure and more cumbersome and feel like Im taking 100 selfies a day
One could reconstruct a model face with the same dimensions as someone else for example to get in their device or stick the phone in the face to unlock it.
Yeah, and everyone has Madame Tussaud's skills in recreating a face ;P It's not as easy as that if you look at some wax figures. And with the infrared I guess they see if it is an inanimate object (heat meassuring). And I am 100% sure that the placement of the phone will not be a problem (just like the placement of the finger was not an issue with the first Touch ID, unlike every other fingerprint scanner out there).That sounds like a big pain in the rear to me.
I'd rather just put my finger on the home for less than a second but I'll wait to see what its really about when its announced soon.
[doublepost=1504790449][/doublepost]I can only imagine the jealous girlfriends holding their boyfriends phone near their face while they sleep to snoop around
[doublepost=1504790631][/doublepost]It would be less secure and more cumbersome and feel like Im taking 100 selfies a day
One could reconstruct a model face with the same dimensions as someone else for example to get in their device or stick the phone in the face to unlock it.
Lol
I get that but it would be a lot easier and cheaper to create a figure than bypassing touch ID or a passcode I think.
How much did it cost for the FBI to break into the San Bernandino terrorists iphone? $1.3 Million
Would be easier and way cheaper recreating a face or just bring it up to his face after he was shot.
I get that but it would be a lot easier and cheaper to create a figure than bypassing touch ID or a passcode I think.
How much did it cost for the FBI to break into the San Bernandino terrorists iphone? $1.3 Million
Would be easier and way cheaper recreating a face or just bring it up to his face after he was shot.
Yes, but do you think Face ID will be like; "Hmm, that is like, maybe, hmmm, 12 inches? That seems about right?" They would need your excat (down to a mm if not even micrometer). So you would have to be extremely precise. And guessing the code would then just be easier.Lol
I get that but it would be a lot easier and cheaper to create a figure than bypassing touch ID or a passcode I think.
How much did it cost for the FBI to break into the San Bernandino terrorists iphone? $1.3 Million
Would be easier and way cheaper recreating a face or just bring it up to his face after he was shot.
Not 100% on how secure the sensor will be.
But you just need a previous picture of the person for a program to give you those exact measurements.
I dont think it will be an ubeatable extra high tech solution and the second the phone comes out everyone will be looking for ways to bypass it.
But you just need a previous picture of the person for a program to give you those exact measurements.
I dont think it will be an ubeatable extra high tech solution and the second the phone comes out everyone will be looking for ways to bypass it.
Hahaha but it's not like everyone has that. And again, the temperature profile will surely also be important to single out plastic heads and inanimated objects.Not 100% on how secure the sensor will be.
But you just need a previous picture of the person for a program to give you those exact measurements.
I dont think it will be an ubeatable extra high tech solution and the second the phone comes out everyone will be looking for ways to bypass it.
True, that.
I didnt know they had temperature control built in to those sensors.
Is that how some Androids have them?
I didnt know they had temperature control built in to those sensors.
Is that how some Androids have them?
Well, infrared can detect heat. So I it would be the perfect as a security layer. Like the metal ring around the home button for Touch ID.
We won't be able to know exactly how it's gonna work until it gets released BUT the problem I'm having with accepting it is that someone can just take your phone and point it at your face and it'll unlock? i.e. maybe a boyfriend or friends messing about etc. Obviously we don't know how good it'll be or if it can tell or if there has to be a certain angle to it but I can't really see them overcoming that issue.
Keeping your phone locked is a security thing so if there's ways to bypass it then I'm out. There's nothing wrong with Touch ID, Apple are just fixing things that ain't broke.
Keeping your phone locked is a security thing so if there's ways to bypass it then I'm out. There's nothing wrong with Touch ID, Apple are just fixing things that ain't broke.
At first I was thinking, no TouchID, no buy. But Apple's implementation of FaceID should work very well. Pick it up, hold it to your face to start using it, and it instantly unlocks for use.
I think I'd be able to adjust, if my expectations for FaceID are met (and only five more days until we find out).
True, I also saw a video I think of a girl unlocking her boyfriends phone while he sleeps by putting the phone to his finger