Would you feel comfortable buying a new MBP today?

[BuCkDoG]

Hopefully your keyboard experience will mirror mine. Used every day for nearly 7 months. No issues.

Hopefully is right. I honestly am I huge fan of this computer in every way, shape, and form. It is definitely different getting used to the short key travel compared to the previous generation models, and if I could get more spacing between the keys, I think I would REALLY enjoy this keyboard, but as it is I am still pretty happy with it overall. The power, portability, and form factor really is a treat to use.

 

[CE3]

Neither Apple nor Lenovo offer loaners. Unless she paid extra for Lenovo at home repairs she will still have to deal with a shipping delay for repairs of a few days to a week. The only advantage Apple has here (and it isn’t a perfect one) is you can buy and return a laptop in that repair window and use time machine to almost eliminate downtime.

I purchased a refurbished X1E in January and it had the worst backlight bleed I'd ever had in a display. Lenovo's "Depot" service was super quick, with overnight shipping each way, and the display was replaced and back in my possession in 3 business days, which includes me shipping the laptop to them. Of course, depending on the repair and if parts need to be ordered, this process could take longer, but I was impressed by how quick and efficient everything was.

Unfortunately, the new display still had some backlight bleed, and I know the repair people noticed it because my desktop background was changed from solid black (which I set so they would see the issue right away) to another color. Still, it was acceptable and minor enough that I could sell it to a new happy owner.

But to get back to the original topic of this thread..after recently trying the HP Spectre x360 and the X1E, I did feel comfortable buying a new MacBook Pro a few weeks ago, and for my needs it's the most well-rounded and best performer of the bunch.

 

[BuCkDoG]

I purchased a refurbished X1E in January and it had the worst backlight bleed I'd ever had in a display. Lenovo's "Depot" service was super quick, with overnight shipping each way, and the display was replaced and back in my possession in 3 business days, which includes me shipping the laptop to them. Of course, depending on the repair and if parts need to be ordered, this process could take longer, but I was impressed by how quick and efficient everything was.

Unfortunately, the new display still had some backlight bleed, and I know the repair people noticed it because my desktop background was changed from solid black (which I set so they would see the issue right away) to another color. Still, it was acceptable and minor enough that I could sell it to a new happy owner.

But to get back to the original topic of this thread..after recently trying the HP Spectre x360 and the X1E, I did feel comfortable buying a new MacBook Pro a few weeks ago, and for my needs it's the most well-rounded and best performer of the bunch.

Thats great to hear as well! The only thing I would want is more spacing in-between the keys just like on the older machines. This keys are just too close together for my comfort but otherwise this laptop is definitely incredible.

 

[MBAir2010]

Not for the high price they're charging. I took a chance this past summer, and while my laptop was seemingly defect free

I don't see myself going back to the Mac, With Tim Cook at the helm and his supply chain mentality they pinch pennies and cut corners to a degree that has affected the quality and durability.

windows seems so cluttered, i see lots of text in their apps like outlook mail, right click anything and there are over 10 options and those options have options, every 10 minutes or so, i get a reminder popping on the right of the screen that i need a monitor, tones or a totebag for my dell, HP and other window product. The weird thing is windows has a "metered internet" were i need to click on "offline" using outlook online. is there a way to stop all these annoyances?
and the spam is horrendous, im getting email that i need to pay 345.78 or im getting sued when i dont use the internet to pay for anything. wheh!
obviously the computer is not set up correctly or our internet provider is a sponge of bad internets.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

windows seems so cluttered, i see lots of text in their apps like outlook mail, right click anything and there are over 10 options and those options have options, every 10 minutes or so, i get a reminder popping on the right of the screen that i need a monitor, tones or a totebag for my dell, HP and other window product. The weird thing is windows has a "metered internet" were i need to click on "offline" using outlook online. is there a way to stop all these annoyances?
and the spam is horrendous, im getting email that i need to pay 345.78 or im getting sued when i dont use the internet to pay for anything. wheh!
obviously the computer is not set up correctly or our internet provider is a sponge of bad internets.

If you buy a Dell, HP or other computer. The OEM's (Dell, HP etc.) install demo versions and other stuff on your computer. This is called bloatware. This has nothing to do with Windows OS itself.

This bloatware is responsible for the popups you are experiencing. Simply uninstall the bloatware or do a fresh Windows install from the Windows settings (or from the Microsoft site). Blame the OEM's not Windows.

If you buy a HP printer and install the HP software on your Mac, HP is starting to harass you on the Mac with popups as well (about taking a subscription for buying cartridges online). Would you blame MacOS for that? Nope I would blame HP and uninstall that stuff, be it on a Mac or Windows.

The spam you are talking about has nothing to do with the OS, that is simply your own mailbox. If you use the same mailbox on a Mac or your iPhone, the spam should be exactly the same. Maybe the spam filters have different settings?

As for the 'cluttered' feel you have or the options when you right click: IMHO that is the learning curve. Windows is different from MacOS, you simply get overwhelmed. You probably don't remember, but when you started to use a Mac for the first time (probably years ago) you had to learn where the settings and the options where and what they all did too.

Learning/using something different or new is not always easy, but what looks very unfamiliar now looks very familiar if you are used to it.

 

[maflynn]

The weird thing is windows has a "metered internet" were i need to click on "offline" using outlook online. is there a way to stop all these annoyances?

You must have windows configured incorrectly, because I've never had such an issue. Unlike macOS, you have lots of options in configuring apps, and the OS, which may be a little over whelming.

You should be able to do the folloiwng

o set a Wi-Fi network connection as metered:

• Select Start > Settings > Network & Internet > Wi-Fi > Manage known networks.
  
  
• Select the Wi-Fi network > Properties > turn off Set as metered connection.
  

the spam is horrendous,

This has nothing to do with the OS

 

[MBAir2010]

since my macbook air 2010 can perform all my computing needs such as cartooning, graphic and web design, internets and typing, should i purchase a new one instead of a Macbook pro because this model does not have any recall or defect deemed by ?
[doublepost=1553686518][/doublepost]wow Thank you as always MaFlynn and AndyMacAndMic., since this is not my personal computer, but one i use at work, i will let out tech guy know what to do to solve these annoyances!
i was not trying to demean windows, just soling a problem and i am in a lost computing environment from 9-5.
oh my cat sez: "hello mcflynn"

 

[groove-agent]

Meh the bezels on the Macs are starting to look quite dated.

I am happy they didn't redesign the '19 iMac, but then again I prefer mature designs. I find it quite amusing that the same people who are complaining about issues with the current lineup are the same ones clamoring for an all new design. That doesn't seem wise IMHO coming from 25 years of being an Apple customer. Gen. 1 designs are statistically the ones that face the most issues. I much prefer designs that Apple have enough time invested in to get things right. Same thing goes for macOS. I miss the days when the OS release cycle was nowhere near yearly.

 

[jerryk]

Meh the bezels on the Macs are starting to look quite dated.

Not data, "retro". Welcome to 2012, again

 

[turbineseaplane]

windows has a "metered internet"

Very handy when using a cellular data plan with a Windows laptop...

Yet another awesome hardware integration that Macs don't have, even optionally.

 

[PhoenixDown]

I was first thinking of getting a Mac Book Pro but recently I've been leaning towards a Surface Pro 6.

The Surface Pro fills my basic needs for a laptop (I use Office 365 a lot) and I can use it to occasionally watch movies when traveling.

I like the integration that Mac OS offers but when I realized how much my 2015 iMac is going unused I figured I don't need as many of those options as I previously thought.

 

[Howard2k]

Very handy when using a cellular data plan with a Windows laptop...

Yet another awesome hardware integration that Macs don't have, even optionally.

This is great on Windows because it can allow you to workaround the Windows "you're installing your updates now! Because I said so!" feature. What value would it bring to macOS?

Not saying it's totally useless, but I'm not sure I'd put it in the "very handy" category either. Just curious how you use that feature (aside from preventing Windows updates).

 

[turbineseaplane]

What value would it bring to macOS?

What value would cellular access bring?

 

[Howard2k]

What value would cellular access bring?

Access anywhere and any time.
This isn't a Windows exclusive though. I do this with my Mac regularly.

 

[jerryk]

Access anywhere and any time.
This isn't a Windows exclusive though. I do this with my Mac regularly.

Me too. If you on the road you can always get some sort of cellular on your phone and your phone can be a Wifi hotspot. Wifi is not in ever roadside diner or rest stop. And you definitely do not want to bust your phone plan's data cap and go to per megabyte charging.

 

[MBAir2010]

Apple announced how sorry they are for keyboardgate
https://9to5mac.com/2019/03/27/apple-keyboard-sorry/
Some poor soul exchanged 3 mbpros already since 2018
Oh
Sorry to post a link to another mac site, i just needed a reference!
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Very handy when using a cellular data plan with a Windows laptop...

Yet another awesome hardware integration that Macs don't have, even optionally.

This was on a tower dell pc, with the ethernet chord attached and a tabby cat perched on the console, meow!

 

[turbineseaplane]

Access anywhere and any time.
This isn't a Windows exclusive though. I do this with my Mac regularly.

I'm totally confused what you mean here..

I'm talking about having cellular built into a MacBook (like iPad's optionally have)
There's tremendous value in that and the option for it is long overdue.

I use the living hell out of my iPad on LTE.
Mac to iOS device tethering can't hold a candle to having the functionality built in

 

[Howard2k]

I'm totally confused what you mean here..

I'm talking about having cellular built into a MacBook (like iPad's optionally have)
There's tremendous value in that and the option for it is long overdue.

I use the living hell out of my iPad on LTE.
Mac to iOS device tethering can't hold a candle to having the functionality built in

ok, I get it. I thought you were referring to the Windows 10 Metered Connection feature. I see you're talking about actually having a cellular interface directly in the laptop. I'm not sure that this is what the previous poster was referring to, but I could be wrong.

Total pass for me. Although I wirelessly tether through my iPhone regularly I have no interest at all in having this hardware built into my laptop.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Total pass for me. Although I wirelessly tether through my iPhone regularly I have no interest at all in having this hardware built into my laptop.

?
Do you want them to also remove Wifi & Bluetooth?

The amount of extra hardware is literally almost nothing, especially with eSIM nowadays.

Many of the Windows machines with this function have all the wireless stuff as part of exact same chip...so literally no extra hardware.

 

[Howard2k]

?
Do you want them to also remove Wifi & Bluetooth?

The amount of extra hardware is literally almost nothing, especially with eSIM nowadays.

Many of the Windows machines with this function have all the wireless stuff as part of exact same chip...so literally no extra hardware.

No, wifi and BT are useful, no need to remove them. I'm just saying that 4G/5G, whatever it would be, is not any use to me, even though I routinely wirelessly tether. If Apple has that as an option with an upcharge, totally cool. I'd hate to see them put that into the base model and have everyone pay for it when very few would use it.

 

[turbineseaplane]

If Apple has that as an option with an upcharge, totally cool.

Don't worry - it would be..
lol

 

[pshufd]

Nope, I haven’t forgotten how to write. Nor did my editor go on vacation.


You see, to share the pain of using an Apple laptop keyboard that’s failed after four months, I could only think of one idea: take all the broken letters out of my column. Then I realized that would make the whole thing unreadable. So to...

https://www.wsj.com/graphics/apple-still-hasnt-fixed-its-macbook-keyboard-problem/

 

[jerryk]

Nope, I haven’t forgotten how to write. Nor did my editor go on vacation.


You see, to share the pain of using an Apple laptop keyboard that’s failed after four months, I could only think of one idea: take all the broken letters out of my column. Then I realized that would make the whole thing unreadable. So to...

https://www.wsj.com/graphics/apple-still-hasnt-fixed-its-macbook-keyboard-problem/

Might be an interesting story, but since it is behind a paywall I will never know.

 

[pshufd]

Might be an interesting story, but since it is behind a paywall I will never know.

The article is cited by a bunch of other tech articles.

 

[Silvestru Hosszu]

I definitely would not a MacBook Pro right now.

You can adjust your typing to the keyboard... I hated it at the beginning but am quite pleased now.

What I cannot adjust to is the reliability or the lack of it to be precise.

I have a 2017 nTB MacBook Pro 13 and my office colleague the 2018 MacBook Pro 13.

BOTH of us had issues with the keyboard. Her laptop just came back last week from the repair shop and mine had problems with a sticky key.

I imagine that more keyboards are free of problems than the number of the defective units. Otherwise it won't be commercially sustainable even by Apple, but this extreme failure rate is not acceptable for a premium product.