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Apple partners with Autonavi for Maps in China.
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Wow. Apple Maps is a disaster.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...le-china-map-partner-in-win-for-autonavi.html
Apple partners with Autonavi for Maps in China.
ive been using turn by turn and searching for locations and have had zero issues. I actually like it better then google mats because it gives you more info for certain businesses including a picture.
It's antitrust to do that because they would be using their dominance as a search engine and maps source to get dominance as a cellphone OS maker. They could have just not put Google Maps on iOS in the first place, and that would have been devastating for iOS.
Apple Maps its just in beta... even if it is beta 3 already can have some bugs, coz its a new system and for that is Betas, for test bugs, and oh well, as always happened for example with windows vs OS X, windows will have bugs forever, even in their last release, but im pretty sure that after GM Maps in ios 6 will have at least 1 or 2 bugs :B, just give them some time, they still have till fall to make it perfect
Google wants you to use their services first, that is the most important thing....then buy their products if you wish.
When you are within China, the map data is not drawn from TomTom, but AutoNavi, which in some cases is better than Google. This only happens when you are inside China, but may change between the beta and final release. I'm not in China anymore, so I can't compare Fushun for you.
Here is a comparison of a map area in iOS 6 maps that will look different depending on whether you are looking at it from China or elsewhere:
Outside China, Inside China
Other things to note:
1) Its not using Apple cartography, or at least it is different from the cartography Apple uses elsewhere. I'm betting its AutoNavi's cartography, since many Chinese map services mimic the Google Map style.
2) Its not using vector data, it looks like its using tiles, like the "old" maps. But it seems to load faster than the old ones.
3) Both Google and Apple are using AutoNavi in China (both screenshots below show attribution to AutoNavi). Apple shows more data at higher zoom levels than Google, it may even have more data for some reason. This is also a random small town, in case you want to know how detailed data is:
4) It follows PRC geography. Note the 9-dashed line that represents China owning most of the South China Sea, and another dash to include Taiwan:
Going to look at North American data from China also reveals much sparser maps, with hardly any data.
The flap reveals that data comes from AutoNavi, as opposed to TomTom elsewhere.
The map sources link also goes to a different link:
http://gspsa21.ls.apple.com/html/attribution.cn.html
So I know while during turn by turn navigation if you tap the screen it will show an ETA.
1. Lets say its 6pm and i want to go to Five Guys for a burger. Five Guys is 5 minutes from my house. Is the ETA minutes until you arrive (5), or is it the actual time that you will arrive (6:05)?
2. In that ETA overlay after you tap the screen, does the ETA stay on the screen for a certain amount of time, or does it stay up until you tap the screen again? I like to know my ETA all the time
Thanks
1. Lets say its 6pm and i want to go to Five Guys for a burger. Five Guys is 5 minutes from my house. Is the ETA minutes until you arrive (5), or is it the actual time that you will arrive (6:05)?
2. In that ETA overlay after you tap the screen, does the ETA stay on the screen for a certain amount of time, or does it stay up until you tap the screen again? I like to know my ETA all the time
Thanks
1. Both. It shows your ETA (e.g 20:05) and the time left (eg. 5 minutes). And the distance left as well.
2. I couldn't test if the behaviour is different while driving, but when I simply start the route from my room and tap the screen, ETA stays until I tap again.
That's what I wanted to hear!
Now is there a way to make the green sign with the next turn smaller?
I want to see the map ahead, not a green box that takes up 1/4th of the screen
Now is there a way to make the green sign with the next turn smaller?
I want to see the map ahead, not a green box that takes up 1/4th of the screen
That's what I wanted to hear!
Now is there a way to make the green sign with the next turn smaller?
I want to see the map ahead, not a green box that takes up 1/4th of the screen
nope, customization its not apple's forte
Because they're selling Android handsets with Google Everything pre-installed. Whilst they may see iOS users as 'Important' they'll see Android users as 'Very Important'. Independence of anything Google branded is all important if Apple's intention is to choke them of funds.
Apple owns C3 now, so it can't be considered third party. TomTom will only be of use in the (relative) short term! Once C3 complete their stereoscopic streetview mapping and it's been successfully re-rendered in 3D (see this and this), TomTom mapping can be dispensed with ...or at least reduced to a bit part.
Google would never give their main competitor\detractor equal access to their flagship products. Hence Apple is being pro-active in making its own maps app, with the long term view of making it better than anything Google can offer.
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Remember the screen is going to be longer on the next iPhone.That's what I wanted to hear!
Now is there a way to make the green sign with the next turn smaller?
I want to see the map ahead, not a green box that takes up 1/4th of the screen
Hmm... it's definitely going to be a transition to the new map. I think I prefer the Google version, but these things usually do take time for your eyes to adjust.
This shows how little you know about mapping. Vector mapping data is not something that is easy or quick to implement.
3d street view is one thing, but I suspect the base maps will always be TomTom (Tele Atlas) based. Aside from the national mapping agencies, there are three companies who have the scale to map the world. Each of them took years to progress.
They are
Tele Atlas (now owned by TomTom)
Navteq (owned by Nokia)
Google.
Google haven't managed vector maps yet. They still use a raster based solution. This despite having someone in charge of their mapping division who worked closely with the modernisation of the Ordnance Survey in the UK.
Apple have also severed their relationship with Google Maps. This was done due to conditions placed on Apple that they couldn't agree to as it would affect their customers adversely.
The other two do produce raster data and have done for many years. They produce it for the major satellite navigation systems in use in every car, ship and aeroplane in the world.
Navteq (Nokia) aren't going to licence data on a FRAND basis. They have no need to. And as one of only two firms that Apple can get the data from, will do all in their power to not licence their data to their major competitor.
Tele Atlas (TomTom) on the other hand are not in direct competition with Apple. They don't make phones. They are also the masters of turn by turn directions. No one, does it better.
Apple want the best experience for their customers. That's fine, TomTom licence just the data. This allows Apple to render it how they wish. (Hence Apple can claim the cartography is theirs).
This is a very good deal for Apple who gain the data they need quickly, and for TomTom (who no doubt offered a discount to get any error reports from Apple).
The plan view of a map is always more important than street view.
This shows how little you know about business strategy.
You're saying that Apple will go from one dependency to another for the long term ...won't happen. They'll either buy or build their own maps for the long term! They could buy TomTom outright to curtail the competition utilising or buying them - but they haven't! Why Not???
Because they either already have base mapping in their portfolio or have plans to get it.
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This shows how little you know about business strategy.
You're saying that Apple will go from one dependency to another for the long term ...won't happen. They'll either buy or build their own maps for the long term! They could buy TomTom outright to curtail the competition utilising or buying them - but they haven't! Why Not???
Because they either already have base mapping in their portfolio or have plans to get it.
Yes, Apple should go it alone like Google did but they haven't shown any signs of that yet. When we start seeing Apple cars driving around, we can talk but right now what you said is speculation. Apple chose TomTom (Teleatlas) because it was the only alternative. It's well known that Navtec maps were better and likely are still better. Google switched to Teleatlas because the licensing terms were better. Then they decided to do it themselves. Now Apple has partnered with the worst of the 3 large map providers.
Maybe the flashy 3D stuff will divert people's attention to that fact.
Read this to see a potential glimpse of the future: http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/maps/Yns8TZDRJbg
C3 is a mapping company with potentially unlimited resources now at their disposal! what more evidence do you need? Did you see the C3 planes\helicoptors flying around?
I'm willing to bet that within the next 5 years Apple holds the copyright to all cartography within its maps app, aside from in countries with limited access - like China.
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So Google would break the law if they refuse to release Google Maps on iOS even though Apple has voluntarily removed the maps from their product and Google owns copyright on the maps.
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Ah yes, because that is really Apple's business.
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New Reason To Jailbreak: Get Google Maps back.
So we agree that Apple will continue to buy 2D map data from TomTom for the forseeable future. C3 is all about 3D mapping using tech from Saab.
some here may realise you need a 2D plan to plant your 3D buildings on first ...others may not. They can deliver a cruise missile to your letter box from 1000 miles, but don't have a plan of your street? Right you are...DaftasF**k.
No, actually, the C3 technology automatically stitches the photos together to create the 3D geometry. There is no person aligning the base of a single 3D building with the proper location on the 2D map. Even if that was the case, they would be using Navtec or TomTom data to do that. What they probably do do is take an entire captured 3D "scene" and stretch or compress it to fit within the 2D map as closely as possible. But it should be accurate enough to not have to do that. I'm guessing a little about the details but the main point being that they haven't reinvented the wheel in order to produce their 3D maps.
Just to highlight the amount of effort involved with 2D vs 3D:
TeleAtlas: 1889 employees (2007)
C3 Technologies: 11-50 employees
Also, Apple paid about $270 million for C3. TomTom paid $4 billion for TeleAtlas.
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So Google would break the law if they refuse to release Google Maps on iOS even though Apple has voluntarily removed the maps from their product and Google owns copyright on the maps.
No, Apple makes the Google Maps app on iOS. Google refusing service to Apple's app would be antitrust. They won't have the app anymore, though.