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No, Apple makes the Google Maps app on iOS. Google refusing service to Apple's app would be antitrust. They won't have the app anymore, though.

If they want Apple to pay them for that right and Apple doesn't want to pay for that right then it is not antitrust to pull support for Apple's app.
 
So I'm curious, with turn by turn, once you start on your route, can you zoom in and out, or are you stuck in that one view?

I'm disappointed in the number of photos/videos of the new maps :(
 
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No, actually, the C3 technology automatically stitches the photos together to create the 3D geometry. There is no person aligning the base of a single 3D building with the proper location on the 2D map. Even if that was the case, they would be using Navtec or TomTom data to do that. What they probably do do is take an entire captured 3D "scene" and stretch or compress it to fit within the 2D map as closely as possible. But it should be accurate enough to not have to do that. I'm guessing a little about the details but the main point being that they haven't reinvented the wheel in order to produce their 3D maps.

Just to highlight the amount of effort involved with 2D vs 3D:

TeleAtlas: 1889 employees (2007)
C3 Technologies: 11-50 employees

Also, Apple paid about $270 million for C3. TomTom paid $4 billion for TeleAtlas.
where did I say there was any 'person' doing anything? of course the base map will be tele-atlas or similar, but for how long is the question you refuse to acknowledge even exists.

You believe Apple will be beholden to an outside mapping entity forever, when they've already bought a mapping company in order to realise their future plans.

If you believe Apple will pay royalties to Tele-Atlas\Nav-Teq\Ordinance Survey or anyone else forever, you really need coffee badly. It's not their style to pay royalties for any longer than is absolutely necessary and it never has been.

It's more likely they will create their own, better, maps, then ...and this IS speculation... lease the rights of use to others.

Apple is not as shortsighted as you attribute them to be! Their plans are usually Loooooooong Term.
 
No, Apple makes the Google Maps app on iOS. Google refusing service to Apple's app would be antitrust. They won't have the app anymore, though.

Perhaps I worded my post wrong I know Apple makes the app. I still don't see how refusing service would be antitrust, Google owns the copyright and it is their decision to licence it or not. Anyway I think we agree that it doesn't really matter anyway seeing Apple doesn't need Google Maps anymore.
 
where did I say there was any 'person' doing anything? of course the base map will be tele-atlas or similar, but for how long is the question you refuse to acknowledge even exists.

You believe Apple will be beholden to an outside mapping entity forever, when they've already bought a mapping company in order to realise their future plans.

If you believe Apple will pay royalties to Tele-Atlas\Nav-Teq\Ordinance Survey or anyone else forever, you really need coffee badly. It's not their style to pay royalties for any longer than is absolutely necessary and it never has been.

It's more likely they will create their own, better, maps, then ...and this IS speculation... lease the rights of use to others.

Apple is not as shortsighted as you attribute them to be! Their plans are usually Loooooooong Term.

Actually they pay royalties to a lot of firms and are dependent on many outside companies. Think about it. They don't own any factories. To get into mapping in a significant way is a massive investment. They've gone to tele-atlas because they have the least restrictive licence terms ever. You pay them the standard fee, and they give you the maps.

To get to the level of mapping required would cost them far more than the royalties they are paying, and would take many many years. It took Google 7 years (publicly) and probably the same again to get their maps to the standard they are today, and they are raster maps. Vector based mapping is more difficult as to do turn by turn you have to create networks of roads.

C3 would need to multiply their current staff level by at least 100. Apple is a rich company because they aren't stupid. The recognised that the best deal for them on maps is to licence someone else's maps.
 
Actually they pay royalties to a lot of firms and are dependent on many outside companies. Think about it. They don't own any factories. To get into mapping in a significant way is a massive investment. They've gone to tele-atlas because they have the least restrictive licence terms ever. You pay them the standard fee, and they give you the maps.

To get to the level of mapping required would cost them far more than the royalties they are paying, and would take many many years. It took Google 7 years (publicly) and probably the same again to get their maps to the standard they are today, and they are raster maps. Vector based mapping is more difficult as to do turn by turn you have to create networks of roads.

C3 would need to multiply their current staff level by at least 100. Apple is a rich company because they aren't stupid. The recognised that the best deal for them on maps is to licence someone else's maps.

Yep. They also went to Teleatlas because they weren't also being used by a major competitor. I would argue that is the main reason.

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Jeheeeezus! Is this meant to be a joke or are you deliberately trolling?

iCloud runs on Microsoft and Amazon servers.
Hardware is contracted out to China
Internet search - Google

These are things they could do on their own but choose not to.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/02/icloud_runs_on_microsoft_azure_and_amazon/

"Apple is understood to have elected to outsource the plumbing of iCloud because its core competence lies in "building great consumer experiences". It didn't make sense for Apple to become a cloud provider."
 
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Yep. They also went to Teleatlas because they weren't also being used by a major competitor. I would argue that is the main reason.

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iCloud runs on Microsoft and Amazon servers.
Hardware is contracted out to China
Internet search - Google

These are things they could do on their own but choose not to.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/02/icloud_runs_on_microsoft_azure_and_amazon/

"Apple is understood to have elected to outsource the plumbing of iCloud because its core competence lies in "building great consumer experiences". It didn't make sense for Apple to become a cloud provider."
because its core competence lies in "building great consumer experiences"

...you said it!
 
If they want Apple to pay them for that right and Apple doesn't want to pay for that right then it is not antitrust to pull support for Apple's app.

But that would mean that Apple is the only company that has to pay for that right. That would be antitrust.

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Jeheeeezus! Is this meant to be a joke or are you deliberately trolling?

If I understood correctly, and he's talking about maps, I'm pretty sure that Apple, Google, and Microsoft all pay for maps from outside sources. In fact, go to somewhere in Google Earth, and you'll probably see a watermark on the bottom citing a map source.
 
When I first found out that I would be losing so much functionality in the new Maps, I was devastated. I wonder why they don't just put the iOS6 beta on the new iPhone like they did with Siri. New Maps will also be beta-y.
 
Anyone answer this for me?

Thanks

You can zoom in and out but you can't pan.
You can also select 2D or 3D.

The thing I like about Apple's 3D is that the perspective isn't fixed.
It constantly changes to give you the best view of your route.
On a long stretch you'll get a nice extended perspective but when it comes to a busy interchange it might automatically switch to a more 2D birdseye view in order to more easily see all possible turns.

No other GPS that I've tried does that.
 
I actually don't mind Apple Maps. It's been pretty solid for me over the past month of using it.

No transit though has sucked big time. I'm waiting to see what local Apps there are for transit info.
 
I actually like Apple maps, Im using its navigation on ways in the Czech Republic and its pretty fast in rerouting and to be honest I like it more on my new iPad when Im driving than using Garmin which is not bad but bigger display and clearer UI works better for me on iOS..:cool:
 
My only gripe with Maps is that it is only using Yelp! for POIs. Yelp only works in a few countries, so it will be useless for most people
 
My only gripe with Maps is that it is only using Yelp! for POIs. Yelp only works in a few countries, so it will be useless for most people

Yelp has already started changing its interface with both the iPod and iPad to allow instant updates/ratings...I believe part of that is opening it up to other countries...at least the POI/info portion.
 
You can zoom in and out but you can't pan.
You can also select 2D or 3D.

The thing I like about Apple's 3D is that the perspective isn't fixed.
It constantly changes to give you the best view of your route.
On a long stretch you'll get a nice extended perspective but when it comes to a busy interchange it might automatically switch to a more 2D birdseye view in order to more easily see all possible turns.

No other GPS that I've tried does that.

Can someone post images or a quick video showing this during turn by turn?

Especially once turn by turn started, the defualt zoom view, and then zoomed out a little bit?

Thanks
 
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I still have black and white low res ariel photos for a lot of the UK.
It really is a poor substitute for google maps. I don't have to play 'guess the pixel' - is it a plane, train or artifact. : /
 
I still have black and white low res ariel photos for a lot of the UK.
It really is a poor substitute for google maps. I don't have to play 'guess the pixel' - is it a plane, train or artifact. : /

For where I am, as well as London and Essex, where I have visited, have all been in colour. The ones for Essex seem really low res but the ones where I love are brill, but not quite high res.

As the beta release notes said, high res images are not in maps in the beta, so your issue will most likely be moot when iOS 6 launches.
 
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