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Just like Apple would never backtrack on a design like the old iPhone 4 using glass for the back of the case?


Just like the headphone jack, right? Because Apple’s not stubborn and it totally makes sense for them to backtrack on device features like that...

Honestly, if FaceID works as promised, why would you even need TouchID? There’s no added benefit unless FaceID is a total failure, and even if it is (which I wouldn’t bet on), Apple would probably throw money at fixing its issues rather than roll back their devices to what they are already treating as an inferior solution.
 
A classic case of a solution (Face ID) in search of a problem (Touch ID). The latter is more reliable and no slower. Apple are strapped for new ideas again and think because nobody else is doing Face ID then surely it must be a good thing right? There's a reason Samsung et al ain't doing it and it's not due to lack of innovative know how. Apple have confused the "less is more" idea (removing features in the name of 'courage') with the concept of progess. Now the 'progress' options have been depleted and there's not much else to remove-the next step,is adding 'features' that nobody really wanted in the first place. And that's a slippery slope to go down.

I disagree. Apple ditched TouchID on the X, in an effort to free up the screen from a touch sensor. If under-screen fingerprint sensing isn't reliable enough, it's not even an option to consider at this point. And putting the touch sensor on the back of the device is not a good user experience.

And your suggestion that adding features nobody wants is a classic case of people not knowing what they really want. Companies that design product based upon what consumers want (today) will forever be stuck in old technologies. General Motors is a perfect example of exactly this, in their consumer clinics where consumers tell them they want things just the way they're used to.

So you have to ask yourself. Would you prefer to be listening to music on an 8 track tape, or driving in a car that gets 10 mpg with no safety features, or any of the other changes that some company pushed ahead because they saw the potential?
 
Face ID isn't new. It's hand-me-down 2010 Microsoft Kinect technology from PrimeSense that Microsoft eventually dumped for a better internal implementation. Production delay is just a convenient excuse to buy time to fix the flaw that made Face ID fail on stage.
 
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That's ironic, there's always way more Romeos than Juliets, especially in Silicon Valley and China.
 
Face ID isn't new. It's hand-me-down 2010 Microsoft Kinect technology from PrimeSense that Microsoft eventually dumped for a better internal implementation. Production delay is just a convenient excuse to buy time to fix the flaw that made Face ID fail on stage.

If you are referring to the keynote, then FaceID did not fail onstage! It worked as designed and perfectly. That fact is 'other' engineers had set up the device on stage. Face ID identified that it was not the correct user and locked the phone forcing a passcode. Just as it's supposed to. The error was that Craig did not reset the device after stage setup but before the keynote started.
 
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Face ID isn't new. It's hand-me-down 2010 Microsoft Kinect technology from PrimeSense that Microsoft eventually dumped for a better internal implementation. Production delay is just a convenient excuse to buy time to fix the flaw that made Face ID fail on stage.
if you watch this video at 7:40 mark, you'll see the same thing as what happened on stage during the demo..



..and if you watch the minute or so leading up to that point, you'll be able to see why or what actually happened..

(if you're actually curious about it.. if you just want to spew FUD then keep up the good work)
 
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Touch ID is annoying, I always have to wipe the button to get it to work, it activates Apple pay when I don't want it to.

Yikes. I’ve had iPhone 5S/6/6SP/7P/8P and have never had that issue. Never heard anyone call Touch ID “annoying” either lmao.

What phone do you have?...
 
Just like the headphone jack, right? Because Apple’s not stubborn and it totally makes sense for them to backtrack on device features like that...

Honestly, if FaceID works as promised, why would you even need TouchID? There’s no added benefit unless FaceID is a total failure, and even if it is (which I wouldn’t bet on), Apple would probably throw money at fixing its issues rather than roll back their devices to what they are already treating as an inferior solution.

Wrong forum for logic.
 
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Useful component. You will be able to use the new Face Looking Infra Red (FLIR) to watch your iMac Pro overheat.
 
If you are referring to the keynote, then FaceID did not fail onstage! It worked as designed and perfectly. That fact is 'other' engineers had set up the device on stage. Face ID identified that it was not the correct user and locked the phone forcing a passcode. Just as it's supposed to. The error was that Craig did not reset the device after stage setup but before the keynote started.

This seems like really bad planning for people who are usually really good at those things. I think it failed and what you are saying is the story they are telling.
 
I'm not so sure the usability of Face ID will be accepted by everyone. It clearly has problems where you want to momentarily wake the device to see notifications, and without putting your face in the field of view, for example.
Ok, seriously, are we all so unclear on the concept. To unlock with FaceID you must look at your phone. To view a notification on your phone you must look at your phone. What do these two things have in common? You are looking at your phone. Where is the problem here? Are you imagining a scenario where you would unlock your phone and read notification in the reflection in the bus window? Because, otherwise, you're looking at your phone. Admittedly I have not been able to use FaceID yet but I am confident if I can see my phone's screen it will be able to see me and, well, problem solved.
 
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Touch ID is currently on the most premium iPads and Macbooks as well as one of the "flagship" iPhones (8). I am guessing it will continue to be present in those products for a few years. I doubt Apple will add FaceID to the iPad.

Disagree. FaceID makes more sense on the iPad and MacBooks. With it coming to the phone first, it will definitely get added to those products in future models.
 
At least the part shortage monikers are good for a few laughs :D

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my main problem is the iphone x is too damn small

They will probably come out with jumbo X next year. This is highly likely, no?
 
I’m sure this has been brought up. There maybe QA concerns due to these assembly line issues.
 
Touch ID will likely be retained for the next two years for the lower end iPhones. We may see it under a display, but that display will likely be an LCD not OLED display. Rumors indicated that it is much easier to implement under display Touch ID for LCDs. This will be an advance, providing the same screen sizes in smaller footprints, but not challenging Face ID. The iPhone 9 may have a size just slightly larger than the current SE. This would meet market demand for a smaller phone, making the SE superfluous, which is why we may not see a meaningful SE upgrade unless Apple wants to maintain a $349 entry price point.
 
I just thought, what are the health risks of those thousands of dots pointing at your face so often? Cancer?

I'd be more worried about the microwaves next to your head while you talk on it. People still talk on phones, right? :)
 
I'd be more worried about the microwaves next to your head while you talk on it. People still talk on phones, right? :)

Apple is determined to kill us. When they realized that the microwaves were ineffective, they came up with this IR face bombardment. Should do the trick.
 
This seems like really bad planning for people who are usually really good at those things. I think it failed and what you are saying is the story they are telling.
You have obviously never done a tech demo. As someone who has let me assure you that anything that can go wrong, will. When demonstrating a product you will find bugs that have never appeared to you in daily use. It happens. A lot.
 
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