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[WW] Battlestar Galactica - GAME OVER - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

chrmjenkins said:
It's unfortunate that it has to happen this early, but we pretty much have to force you to use your insta-kill tomorrow. There is the possibility that you are a cylon, and suggesting the starbuck to protect you is a ploy to kill him/her. The only way we wouldn't know it was a nightly killing is if you were scanned and revealed (which you are suggesting against) or if you don't follow through with your kill tomorrow.

I suppose it's possible you chose this path since your vote count did get quite high (going on the you're a cylon path) and it's not a total loss to you since you get to take the starbuck out. I'll feel an extra impetus to vote early tomorrow to have a voice in who gets sniped and making sure that someone isn't me.
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Agreed. I have no problem at all to use my insta-kill first thing in the morning. I'd just very much appreciate when we could discuss first who I should take out - so that there is a proper defense possible. This shouldn't be done at night obviously since a possible second outing would bring the Cylons an additional target.
It's Starbucks call anyway. S/he puts danger on her/himself, that is true. I did so myself by not using my ability 2h or twenty minutes before deadline to absolutely clear myself either. First priority to me is to generate as many 'safe' scans as possible and forcing the cylons at least a (admittedly very) little guessing game and run for their killing. Also remember or take into account that I was talking about protection already the second night after Koodauw mentioned me together with Tomorrow - long before I was actually gathering any vote at all ('protective undies'). The reason I got rather nervous about Koodauws post the second night was, no matter if he'd be a Cylon or not, that I could imagine very well the plotting Cylons laughing behind their screens, killing either Tomorrow or me; creating a 50/50 situation I wasn't comfortable with at all.

But to scan me would be an unnecessary waste because scenario:

a) would be a no-kill (I could've been attacked but protected) = I use my insta-kill at daytime

b) would be a no-kill (I'm a Cylon and somebody else was attacked but protected) = Helo kills me at daytime

c) would be a kill of someone else = I use insta-kill at daytime, if I don't: Helo kills me

d) I'm killed by Cylons

No scan needed for proof.
 
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a possible hypothetical village strategy in game with no infection would be for all the specials to come out together. it is risky, because it gives the baddies a 'map' of who to kill, but at the same time it crowds them in a very small space.

if everyone comes out, the wolves/cylons have few options: they can pretend to be a unique special, but then the real special will immediately know they are cylons and can call foul. Alternatively they can pretend to be "plain villagers/citizens" since there are several of them, but that still gives the village a much shorter pool to pick from.

the major drawback to apply this strategy now, is that since 3 people are dead, the cylons could try to pretend to be a dead special and get away with it, unless apollo can get them red-handed.
the biggest limit of this strategy was if cone of the lynched apollo, because it would become more difficult to find out if they tried to pass as fake specials
 
Don't panic said:
a possible hypothetical village strategy in game with no infection would be for all the specials to come out together. it is risky, because it gives the baddies a 'map' of who to kill, but at the same time it crowds them in a very small space.

the major drawback to apply this strategy now, is that since 3 people are dead, the cylons could try to pretend to be a dead special and get away with it, unless apollo can get them red-handed.
the biggest limit of this strategy was if cone of the lynched apollo, because it would become more difficult to find out if they tried to pass as fake specials
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I thought about it right away. :D Besides being somewhat of a 'boring' strategy imho, it'll lead to quite some chaos - even with no dead people around. Now having three of those...but if Athena is still alive and survives the next day, I'd like to discuss a possible self-outing.
 
Don't panic said:
a possible hypothetical village strategy in game with no infection would be for all the specials to come out together. it is risky, because it gives the baddies a 'map' of who to kill, but at the same time it crowds them in a very small space.

if everyone comes out, the wolves/cylons have few options: they can pretend to be a unique special, but then the real special will immediately know they are cylons and can call foul. Alternatively they can pretend to be "plain villagers/citizens" since there are several of them, but that still gives the village a much shorter pool to pick from.

the major drawback to apply this strategy now, is that since 3 people are dead, the cylons could try to pretend to be a dead special and get away with it, unless apollo can get them red-handed.
the biggest limit of this strategy was if cone of the lynched apollo, because it would become more difficult to find out if they tried to pass as fake specials
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At least with the NW, they know each other so even if one is dead they can call foul if a cylon claims to be one of them.

It's also a potential benefit to the village because it gives the starbuck a "safe" list of potential protections rather than alternating on themselves and not risking it the other nights that he/she can't protect himself.
 
chrmjenkins said:
I disagree. It only works as an all-or-nothing measure as Don't Panic suggests.
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Maybe I'm missing something (bedtime over here) but you'd have either one or two Athenas. If there happen to be two= lynch one; insta-kill the other. We'd trade in the Seer for one Cylon and clearance of three other players. Not saying this is the way to go, but it'd be still better than have Athena killed by chance at night.

Wait, in case comeagain? was Athena we'd need Apollo to...oh, you're right. Or we have five Athenas...Too complicated for now... *off to bed*
 
Don't panic said:
a possible hypothetical village strategy in game with no infection would be for all the specials to come out together. it is risky, because it gives the baddies a 'map' of who to kill, but at the same time it crowds them in a very small space.

if everyone comes out, the wolves/cylons have few options: they can pretend to be a unique special, but then the real special will immediately know they are cylons and can call foul. Alternatively they can pretend to be "plain villagers/citizens" since there are several of them, but that still gives the village a much shorter pool to pick from.

the major drawback to apply this strategy now, is that since 3 people are dead, the cylons could try to pretend to be a dead special and get away with it, unless apollo can get them red-handed.
the biggest limit of this strategy was if cone of the lynched apollo, because it would become more difficult to find out if they tried to pass as fake specials
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I don't think we've ever tried this strategy all-out. Might be interesting to give it a try. Haven't had a ton of time to go through the thread today but I will in a bit.
 
twietee said:
Maybe I'm missing something (bedtime over here) but you'd have either one or two Athenas. If there happen to be two= lynch one; insta-kill the other. We'd trade in the Seer for one Cylon and clearance of three other players. Not saying this is the way to go, but it'd be still better than have Athena killed by chance at night.

Wait, in case comeagain? was Athena we'd need Apollo to...oh, you're right. Or we have five Athenas...Too complicated for now... *off to bed*
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Well, the idea is that all the specials come out and Athena has a reduced pool of villagers/cylons to look at and a cat and mouse game between starbuck protecting Athena and cylons trying to off Athena, which may result in some no-kills.
 
chrmjenkins said:
Well, the idea is that all the specials come out and Athena has a reduced pool of villagers/cylons to look at and a cat and mouse game between starbuck protecting Athena and cylons trying to off Athena, which may result in some no-kills.
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hmm, ya it could work - shouldn't even really be a problem when we have 4+1 Athenas. Anyway, I personally don't like the approach in general - feels like butchering one's way out. But an interesting mind game nonetheless.
 
twietee said:
hmm, ya it could work - shouldn't even really be a problem when we have 4+1 Athenas. Anyway, I personally don't like the approach in general - feels like butchering one's way out. But an interesting mind game nonetheless.
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Well, it forces the cylons to be a lot more active. So, if you think they're going to make mistakes, it would be a great way to force them to talk. It would become a bad deal though if the cylons lied up front and immediately went after the neighborhood watch so that we were lynching blind though. For that reason, I'm not crazy about it.
 
chrmjenkins said:
Well, the idea is that all the specials come out and Athena has a reduced pool of villagers/cylons to look at and a cat and mouse game between starbuck protecting Athena and cylons trying to off Athena, which may result in some no-kills.
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also Athena, if still alive, would know some identities, thus the cylons would have to be careful in trying to impersonate specials.

well, if you guys wan to give it shot, I am all for it. something different, and i don't think it would be boring.
 
Don't panic said:
also Athena, if still alive, would know some identities, thus the cylons would have to be careful in trying to impersonate specials.

well, if you guys wan to give it shot, I am all for it. something different, and i don't think it would be boring.
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They'd be better off claiming to be vanilla villagers. No way athena has scanned all 5. It could work out ok, but it could just as easily turn out that starbuck protects NW on night they kill athena and then that NW is unable to be protected and killed the next night. It's a big risk.
 
chrmjenkins said:
They'd be better off claiming to be vanilla villagers. No way athena has scanned all 5. It could work out ok, but it could just as easily turn out that starbuck protects NW on night they kill athena and then that NW is unable to be protected and killed the next night. It's a big risk.
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Well, you shouldn't have mentioned the NW. I for one forgot that they are crucial about identifying the lynched. :D

Boring was the wrong word actually. It'd be quite the contrary. It just doesn't strike me as elegant plus it'd still be some kind of gamble. But what do I care, worth a shot it could be just as well. Good night - curious how that'll turn into.
 
twietee said:
Well, you shouldn't have mentioned the NW. I for one forgot that they are crucial about identifying the lynched. :D

Boring was the wrong word actually. It'd be quite the contrary. It just doesn't strike me as elegant plus it'd still be some kind of gamble. But what do I care, worth a shot it could be just as well. Good night - curious how that'll turn into.
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I'm going to mention each and every scenario I can think of because it informs the village. I'll never withhold info because I'm not naive enough to think I can outsmart someone playing a cylon and that they won't think of the same scenario.
 
Humm not a bad idea, so the cylon will try to kill special during the night and during the day we lynch a citizen. The only trouble we have it's if Apollo is dead and another special, thus the cylon will know that but not us and will impersonate them or Athena was really lucky. But if they know that and we don't know who are the special, we are done for anyway.

But with only one special dead, we should be ok to find them all before they killed us.

I am in favor to do that, but don't forget Baltar, under a scan he will be human, but he might be found later in the game and screw us up but then again if he's still alive we have the info anyway if the lynch is human or not.
 
If Starbuck and Athena are still alive and just the humans reveal themselves, humans lynch a cylon (maybe since cylons could say "No I'm spartacus"), cylons go after Athena, Starbuck protects Athena, next day humans lynch a cylon (again maybe), then Athena is dead since Starbuck can't protect two nights in a row. Also isn't there a 1 in 3 (or 4 chance if Baltar has defected) that the cylon that is taken out kills a revealed special the first day?

Of course there is Helo. If Athena already knows who 12 is, Helo blows up 12. If Athena does not know, she needs to figure that out either tonight or tomorrow night. Helo will likely kill a cylon regardless, but may not be able to prevent 12 from exploding.

Lastly, there is no guarantee at this moment that Athena or Starbuck (or Helo technically) are still alive. If Athena is dead the outing gives the Cylons a large edge I believe, if Starbuck is dead then Athena is going to die the first night. If Helo is dead that's probably 'okay' so long as 12 gets lynched later to keep the human population up.

Athena might know the identity of 3 people at this point (I think, can't recall how many days have passed and too lazy to go look), but all those people could be dead and citizens.

Sounds hit or miss to me but I've not played as many games as you all. I'm game either way, just don't want to screw ourselves over either. At first pass it sounds like it's going to work wonderfully or fail horribly.
 
Just curious: how would Baltar react in case he wasn't activated? He'd inform the village (and the cylons) and would be treated like an infected right?

But doesn't that all make only sense when Athena didn't scan any dead or me for example?
 
twietee said:
Just curious: how would Baltar react in case he wasn't activated? He'd inform the village (and the cylons) and would be treated like an infected right?

But doesn't that all make only sense when Athena didn't scan any dead or me for example?
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As soon as the specialists are gone, the baltar becomes a cylon. If I was the baltar, I'd lie and say I was a villager.
 
chrmjenkins said:
As soon as the specialists are gone, the baltar becomes a cylon. If I was the baltar, I'd lie and say I was a villager.
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That was the discussion in the previous game you linked (infected Seer) no? I would also lie but the role of the goth how i undetstand it is somewhat jekyll/hyde and wouldn't allow that kind of one sided interpretation morally imho. But it's a game and i would lie just as well i guess. Lol
 
twietee said:
That was the discussion in the previous game you linked (infected Seer) no? I would also lie but the role of the goth how i undetstand it is somewhat jekyll/hyde and wouldn't allow that kind of one sided interpretation morally imho. But it's a game and i would lie just as well i guess. Lol
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My goal as a player is self preservation number (1) and my side number (2). (1) rarely gets in the way of (2) if you're on the good side. In either case, (1) calls for Baltar to lie. If he admits it, he has to be killed eventually because he's a liability to the village.
 
chrmjenkins said:
As soon as the specialists are gone, the baltar becomes a cylon. If I was the baltar, I'd lie and say I was a villager.
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this is not correct, i don't think.
baltar becomes a cylon when he connects with number 6 (might have already happened).
if both specialists die, and baltar is human, baltar becomes a substitute specialist, so you can still tell if the lynched are human or cylon (with a one night gap). if both specialist die and baltar has turned (or is dead), then there is no one to identify the bodies.


as afar as athena, she is a cylon, so the only possiblity she died is if she was comeagain, or is killed tonight.
 
Don't panic said:
this is not correct, i don't think.
baltar becomes a cylon when he connects with number 6 (might have already happened).
if both specialists die, and baltar is human, baltar becomes a substitute specialist, so you can still tell if the lynched are human or cylon (with a one night gap). if both specialist die and baltar has turned (or is dead), then there is no one to identify the bodies.


as afar as athena, she is a cylon, so the only possiblity she died is if she was comeagain, or is killed tonight.
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Oops. I read identification as identity.
 
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