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[WW] Battlestar Galactica - GAME OVER - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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That is true. I'd have loved to discuss the specials earlier today, but nobody wanted to or was online. So that isn't really my fault but a bad coincidence. Although I guess the real Helo-Hunter would've been online per deadline approach (don't you fret, he was
)eh? you the new koodauw?
true but risky, and the real Helo would still have time to come out and say it before starbucks offs herself protecting a cylon. Then come morning twietee would be tkilled by the real helo. In all wouldn't sound too likely that he lied, but the possibility is certainly non-zero. we'll find out soon enough.
yep
Hm. Interesting. But not conclusive. And, this is one of those situations where thrice - not just twice - bitten, means one may become very very shy indeed of interventionist action.
No. He is not. Context is everything, here. Actually, it is a - subtle, nuanced, multi-layered reference to our joint lives and roles over several simultaneous outings - events which took place well over a year ago.
Jav and I were on the same side in an 'EM' game; he was my impressive Don, the proverbial 'man with a belly', and I served, willingly, happily and loyally, as his counselling Consigliere. That game went on for months, and months, and months, until we both got killed in heroic defence of our shattered mansion. Over time, we came to have an excellent understanding, and developed an exceedingly good working relationship and friendship.
However, as is the way of things, it was a little more complicated than that. This is because, simultaneously, - over this very very extensive time line - a number of WW games occurred. Inexplicably, bizarrely, randomly, jav and I were both selected as the NW twice, in succession. And twice, in succession, he was infected. And suspecting him, once, (actually, almost certain of it by the second time as I had come to know him so well), I stayed my hand, out of a sense of misplaced loyalty, and incredulity - this bizarre circumstance could not happen twice in succession [it did] - and wound up getting killed instead.
So, cast iron evidence, my old Don. Cast iron evidence......I will be swayed by nothing else.......
Away from the busy corridors.
Away from the bustle of the hangar.
Away from the people that could have saved him.
One citizen huddled in his bunk, alone, a handgun in his hands.
He just could not take it any more. He misses his wife and child, who died during the Cylon destruction of Caprica City. He was on duty on the battlestar when the Cylon attacked.
Caprica City
He even misses his damned dog.
The President talks of hope, of a new future. But he does not see it. He sees no future that has him, but not his wife or child.
He put the handgun against his head.
He hesitated.
No fracking future. He pulled the trigger.
His body was found moments later when one of the crewmembers heard the gunshot and ran in to investigate. His body was inspected by a Specialist, who reported what everyone already knew; only a human would emotionally commit suicide.
Koodauw has been killed and is a Citizen.
It is now NIGHT. Deadline: tonight, at 11:59 PM EST.
Away from the bustle of the hangar.
Away from the people that could have saved him.
One citizen huddled in his bunk, alone, a handgun in his hands.
He just could not take it any more. He misses his wife and child, who died during the Cylon destruction of Caprica City. He was on duty on the battlestar when the Cylon attacked.
Caprica City
He even misses his damned dog.
The President talks of hope, of a new future. But he does not see it. He sees no future that has him, but not his wife or child.
He put the handgun against his head.
He hesitated.
No fracking future. He pulled the trigger.
His body was found moments later when one of the crewmembers heard the gunshot and ran in to investigate. His body was inspected by a Specialist, who reported what everyone already knew; only a human would emotionally commit suicide.
Koodauw has been killed and is a Citizen.
It is now NIGHT. Deadline: tonight, at 11:59 PM EST.
I explained at the very beginning that my current work shift is Graveyard meaning all my activity would be night time. That should help alleviate some doubts.
Yet this time, a fourth I might add, it won't be the same.
Hm. Citizen or human? Is there a distinction between them? (Given that I failed to recognise the difference earlier....)
Nevertheless, a somewhat bizarre series of interventions on the part of Koodauw which would have - and did - merit questioning. However, hiding in such plain sight would have taken the coolest of nerves, not something possessed by many of us.
Another unfortunate outcome. And the numbers are steadily tilting in the wrong direction.
Nevertheless, a somewhat bizarre series of interventions on the part of Koodauw which would have - and did - merit questioning. However, hiding in such plain sight would have taken the coolest of nerves, not something possessed by many of us.
Another unfortunate outcome. And the numbers are steadily tilting in the wrong direction.
well, at one point, there were 11/13 votes casted for either you or koodauw, so with 3 cylons in play (4 including semi-cylon baltar), it is a mathematical certainty that cylon votes must have been included amongst them. but that is not particularly informative, unless koodauw turns out to be a cylon. in that case it is likely that some cylon was among the group that voted for you, which make the odds a bit better.
edit: ninja'd by the events.
Lest he rest in peace.
Although I might point out that not were you only killed, but that by your gruesome murder at my hands, it won us, both games.
As per this game, I have no such evidence. I can only appeal once again to your sense of logic and reasoning to deduce that my current behavior is within citizen bounds.
still wonder why koodauw switched his vote to moyank instead of Jav.
guess that's why raven depicted it as a suicide (btw great narrative)
as far as human/citizen, i guess baltar is human, but not a necessarily citizen, while athena is a citizen but she is not human. for everyone else i am guessing the terms are synonymous, but I am not an expert in BSG lore.
I'm not sure either. I reread the rules and it doesn't sound like the Specialists give us anything other than Cylon or Human, so I'm not sure why the specific note of them being a Citizen. The word might be being used interchangeably but there's no way to know unless ravenvii clears it up. Guess we're both equally lost.
Well, it is 'night' now, in deepest, darkest, space, so a different sequence of events is set to unfold, thus, my earlier vote is now void. Appeals to past friendship and enduring ties are all too.......readily yielded to. As events in the past have already demonstrated.
Having said that, I am still curious as to the distinction, or difference in reporting the lynching of WoodNUFC, who was described, (in post 165, I checked) as 'human', whereas here, Koodauw's death (actually suicide) is described as the action of a 'citizen'.
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Well, in post No 1, as set out by our esteemed GG, there is a distinction between them. 'Citizens' are described as humans without any special powers.
Yes, it is rather interesting that Koodauw chose not to alter his vote to jav; one may mull over why that was so.
My assumption is that everybody is human except for Six, Cadvil, and #12. Baltar is always listed as human even after converting. The only mention in the rules of him being detected is if Baltar is scanned by Athena and has converted to Cylon. Otherwise he's always human for public game purposes as far as I know.
I'll confirm that, yes, I'm using human and citizen interchangeably.
If Athena hangs, she will be identified as Cylon. Baltar will be identified as human/citizen. It's up to Apollo to identify them for certain.
If Athena hangs, she will be identified as Cylon. Baltar will be identified as human/citizen. It's up to Apollo to identify them for certain.
It sucks when good people show apathy towards their own deaths. Makes it harder on the villagers/citizens/humans.
Ah. I see. Well, thank you for the clarification on the citizen/human matter. And excellent narrative.
by night time I meant after the deadline.
Anyway, I know about your Graveyard shift, you even made a threat about that some days ago, that's also the reason I wasn't comfortable with voting for you. But you didn't respond either so what the heck..
Huh, so you agree that there was one cylon involved at minimum but that is not informative? We could rule out those who weren't involved and focus on those who were. That would make it at least a little bit easier for now. Also, I wasn't mentioning Tomorrow only out of the blue. But you didn't respond to my answer to your question. Guess you think it irrelevant?
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my point was that with 11 of of 13 players that voted for you or koodauw, and 3 or 4 cylons, it is necessary that there is at least one cylon amongst the 11, since even if the 2 not involved were both cylons, we would still be looking at 1-2 extra cylons. and you can't rule out the two not involved, because they could also be cylons
thus it is not informative because it doesn't add any information per se. basically we still know that there are 4 cylons (counting baltar) out of 12 players left, or 11 taking you at your word.
If koodauw was a cylon, then a lot could have been inferred by the votes, but since unfortunately he was not, there will still be some bit of info, but not much and not immediately.
unless you or jav were cylons, there was no reason they used any specific strategy in voting, since non of them where likel at risk, except at the beginning to encourage one or two viable candate for lynching.
as far as you question, i apologize bu i must hav missed it. what was it again?
Agreed, we don't know much yet. The main point of information is when the first cylon is hanged. Then we can look at who voted for them, who didn't and who tried to steer votes from that person. However, if rely on Apollo to tell us if we accidentally hung Athena, which would lead us down the wrong path in analyzing those votes.
Anyway. I'd just like to state that I'd suggest not wasting a scan on me. If Starbuck does indeed doubt my honesty, so be it. If not killed by Cylons this Night it would be Helo at Day. But scans are the most precious tool we have now.
But if Starbuck protects me indeed and we got another No-Kill hopefully, our terrible deductions in the last days would be a little bit compensated. We could then vote who's to be insta-killed, because quite frankly: I'd hate to do it on my own without a real hunch and without Athena being outed.
But if Starbuck protects me indeed and we got another No-Kill hopefully, our terrible deductions in the last days would be a little bit compensated. We could then vote who's to be insta-killed, because quite frankly: I'd hate to do it on my own without a real hunch and without Athena being outed.
It's unfortunate that it has to happen this early, but we pretty much have to force you to use your insta-kill tomorrow. There is the possibility that you are a cylon, and suggesting the starbuck to protect you is a ploy to kill him/her. The only way we wouldn't know it was a nightly killing is if you were scanned and revealed (which you are suggesting against) or if you don't follow through with your kill tomorrow.
I suppose it's possible you chose this path since your vote count did get quite high (going on the you're a cylon path) and it's not a total loss to you since you get to take the starbuck out. I'll feel an extra impetus to vote early tomorrow to have a voice in who gets sniped and making sure that someone isn't me.