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[WW] Knee-Deep in the Dead - WOOF WOOF WEREWOLVES WIN
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"The Villager"
I am just a paesant,
Though my story's seldom told,
I have squandered my protections
For a pocketful of likeses,
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.
When I left my home
And my family,
I was no more than a boy
In the company of strangers
In the quiet of the village,
Running scared,
Laying low,
Seeking out the safer quarters
Where the nonwolf people go,
Looking for the places
Only they would know.
Lie-la-lie...
Asking only workman's wages
I come looking for a job,
But I get no offers,
Just a vote-on from the wolfies
On the current WW thread
I do declare,
There were times when I was so
lonesome
I almost gave up my votes there.
Lie-la-lie...
Then I'm reading back the previous posts
And wishing I had a clue,
Going home
Where the MacRumors werewolves
Aren't bleeding me,
Leading me,
Going home.
In the clearing stands a villager,
And a fighter by his trade
And he carries the reminders
Of ev'ry fang that laid him down
And cut him till he cried out
In his anger and his shame,
"I'm not leaving, I'm not leaving"
And the village will prevail
Lie-la-lie...
I am just a paesant,
Though my story's seldom told,
I have squandered my protections
For a pocketful of likeses,
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.
When I left my home
And my family,
I was no more than a boy
In the company of strangers
In the quiet of the village,
Running scared,
Laying low,
Seeking out the safer quarters
Where the nonwolf people go,
Looking for the places
Only they would know.
Lie-la-lie...
Asking only workman's wages
I come looking for a job,
But I get no offers,
Just a vote-on from the wolfies
On the current WW thread
I do declare,
There were times when I was so
lonesome
I almost gave up my votes there.
Lie-la-lie...
Then I'm reading back the previous posts
And wishing I had a clue,
Going home
Where the MacRumors werewolves
Aren't bleeding me,
Leading me,
Going home.
In the clearing stands a villager,
And a fighter by his trade
And he carries the reminders
Of ev'ry fang that laid him down
And cut him till he cried out
In his anger and his shame,
"I'm not leaving, I'm not leaving"
And the village will prevail
Lie-la-lie...
yes that was quite something DP.
back to SS, I do think that she's trying too much to clear herself and I find that so... hum... unusual... I really really don't see any way you are clear right now.
So tomorrow and DP are clear, if tomorrow is not a wolf and we don't count infections. SS is on a good side if Rick is a wolf.
Do we have more informations ?
back to SS, I do think that she's trying too much to clear herself and I find that so... hum... unusual... I really really don't see any way you are clear right now.
So tomorrow and DP are clear, if tomorrow is not a wolf and we don't count infections. SS is on a good side if Rick is a wolf.
Do we have more informations ?
Having known that DP was scanned the first night is the reason I have not expressed concern about your loyalties, - or the fact that you are still alive, as would normally have been the case.
This is because I assumed that the Seer would have announced - immediately - that you were a wolf if that is what the scan had revealed, and, as he made no such announcement, I assumed that you were not a wolf.
Also, I quite seriously think that to regard those who have already come out with what roles they hold (such as Tomorrow and myself) and who given as much information as is likely to assist the village as possible at this stage, as 'not cleared', while not even paying minimal heed to people who have been invisible for the best part of a fortnight, is a misguided strategy, to my mind.
As to those who have played 'a guarded, low-information game', I think you are being too easy on them, to be honest. I will be astounded if a few WWs are not found among their ranks.
Re ravenvii, Monday is not Wednesday, which is where we are today.
And - while you and Moyank have argued in defence of rick, I reserve the right to speculate that his motivations might be different.
This is because I assumed that the Seer would have announced - immediately - that you were a wolf if that is what the scan had revealed, and, as he made no such announcement, I assumed that you were not a wolf.
Also, I quite seriously think that to regard those who have already come out with what roles they hold (such as Tomorrow and myself) and who given as much information as is likely to assist the village as possible at this stage, as 'not cleared', while not even paying minimal heed to people who have been invisible for the best part of a fortnight, is a misguided strategy, to my mind.
As to those who have played 'a guarded, low-information game', I think you are being too easy on them, to be honest. I will be astounded if a few WWs are not found among their ranks.
Re ravenvii, Monday is not Wednesday, which is where we are today.
And - while you and Moyank have argued in defence of rick, I reserve the right to speculate that his motivations might be different.
Stuff and nonsense, and a superb tactic of misdirection, having us bicker and squabble amongst ourselves while the wolves snigger and pick us off, one by one.
Sythas, for some strange reason, I had you down for the position of Seer in my mind, before Tomorrow outed himself. Is there anything of use that you can add to the mix of known information, rather than idly mulling over my possible guilt?
Anybody invisible strike you as worth investigating? Any ideas other than the bloody obvious - let us kill the few remaining village roles that might be of some use?
Since you and DP persist in viewing me as guilty, go ahead and lynch me. I would have thought that my support of Tomorrow might have served as some sort of independent verification that I am not a WW.
However - with six villagers dead, and another doubtless due to be killed tonight, along with three wolves left, I am holding out less and less hope that there will be any chance of victory.
SS, your are not a WW in my eye, but I do think your acting strange today, that's all. I do think other's need our attentions way before you.
My list of people not to vote for tomorrow :
Myself
DP (clean unless infection or tomorrow ww)
Tomorrow (clean unless infection)
SS (almost clean)
Rick (almost clean)
People I want to vote for :
Moyank24
anjinha
comeagain?
TechGod
People I can't read :
Melrose
Ravenvii
FenrisMoonlight
My list of people not to vote for tomorrow :
Myself
DP (clean unless infection or tomorrow ww)
Tomorrow (clean unless infection)
SS (almost clean)
Rick (almost clean)
People I want to vote for :
Moyank24
anjinha
comeagain?
TechGod
People I can't read :
Melrose
Ravenvii
FenrisMoonlight
...but you said I didn't smell like Lupines. You know the pressure's up when even our staid players begin to waffle. And, as I've said! I don't waffle. I pancake. With blueberries. And Molasses. With maple syrup. Pecans. A dusting of confectioner's sugar.
@Don't panic 'Low information' refers to... not posting an epic novel every time I vote?
I don't know how I didn't spot this when I checked in to see what has been happening. Excellent.
...but you said I didn't smell like Lupines.
@Don't panic 'Low information' refers to... not posting an epic novel every time I vote?
Personally, - as of now - I pretty much doubt that you are of the lupine persuasion. Others may think differently.
I have no proof, just a reading of tone.
However, of the list meriting further investigation posted by Sythas, I would be in general agreement.
oh, i believe there was a miscommunication, she meant you don't smell like THIS kind of lupines:
having being your 'roommate' in the last game, i can verify that being the case, especially after you take the shoes off...
you no likey Simon & Garfunkel?@Don't panic 'Low information' refers to... not posting an epic novel every time I vote?
oh, i believe there was a miscommunication, she meant you don't smell like THIS kind of lupines:
having being your 'roommate' in the last game, i can verify that being the case, especially after you take the shoes off...
you no likey Simon & Garfunkel?
Yes, of course, I like Simon & Garfunkel (above all, the original version of that particular track you just did a cover version of…..)
Well, the old hands are talking; while many of the remainder are keeping nice and quiet……
But lovely Alpine view…..
Oh boy.
Scepticalscribe, while i readily concede that your grasp of the english language is superior to mine, and that i often appear to be unable to clearly and concisely communicate my thoughts, sometimes you need to read what is written and not what you want to read.
both I and sythas say that you are 'not cleared' because, simply put, you are not cleared. it is a fact.
your support of tomorrow's claims confirms what HE says, not what you say, nor in any way makes you 'not a WW'.
Some of the other stuff you posted does, but not that.
think of it this way: if you were a WW and the spy, would you have not equally confirm what he said? or if you were a villager/spy who was infected? or if you were a WW and not the spy (with somehow knew the spy was gone)?
my cross-validation question earlier was intended to validate both of you, but since tomorrow answered both questions first, your part became only confirmatory, rather than confirmee.
In any case, between 'not cleared' and "you want to lynch me" there is a pretty wide gap, as indicated both by my post and sythas', comprising oh, i don't know, about two thirds of the player's field? so while -as i said before- you are not a the the moment a the top of my list, you are not off either.
and: "not even paying minimal heed to people who have been invisible for the best part of a fortnight"?
really?
among others:
Scepticalscribe, while i readily concede that your grasp of the english language is superior to mine, and that i often appear to be unable to clearly and concisely communicate my thoughts, sometimes you need to read what is written and not what you want to read.
both I and sythas say that you are 'not cleared' because, simply put, you are not cleared. it is a fact.
your support of tomorrow's claims confirms what HE says, not what you say, nor in any way makes you 'not a WW'.
Some of the other stuff you posted does, but not that.
think of it this way: if you were a WW and the spy, would you have not equally confirm what he said? or if you were a villager/spy who was infected? or if you were a WW and not the spy (with somehow knew the spy was gone)?
my cross-validation question earlier was intended to validate both of you, but since tomorrow answered both questions first, your part became only confirmatory, rather than confirmee.
In any case, between 'not cleared' and "you want to lynch me" there is a pretty wide gap, as indicated both by my post and sythas', comprising oh, i don't know, about two thirds of the player's field? so while -as i said before- you are not a the the moment a the top of my list, you are not off either.
and: "not even paying minimal heed to people who have been invisible for the best part of a fortnight"?
really?
among others:
post #722 "earlier on pluto was high on my list together with anjinha and comeagain, and the two of them still are up there, especially comeagain. but this doesn't mean they are necessarily WWs"
post #715 " i have tomorrow and rick at a less-suspicious level than average and comeagain and anjinha at a bit more, with others variously in between"
post 625 "Jokes aside, if i survive the night, i will go first at comeagain and anjinha"
post #485 "...i would give a good look to anjinha and plutonius.And in any case keep an eye on comegain"
post #715 " i have tomorrow and rick at a less-suspicious level than average and comeagain and anjinha at a bit more, with others variously in between"
post 625 "Jokes aside, if i survive the night, i will go first at comeagain and anjinha"
post #485 "...i would give a good look to anjinha and plutonius.And in any case keep an eye on comegain"
i said there is little information on them, not that i do not suspect them. although techgod maybe a bit less than the other two, in fact, i thought he was on your good side?
yes now it is wednesday, so we'll see how he does.
never dreamed to deny you the right. just exposed my reasoning.
Ouch. That hurt.
First, battered and badly bruised ribs as a result of some clown impetuously (or not) peppering me in error with grapeshot, and now, to be foully done in by a splitting headache.
Thank you twietee, for the excellent narratives.
First, battered and badly bruised ribs as a result of some clown impetuously (or not) peppering me in error with grapeshot, and now, to be foully done in by a splitting headache.
Thank you twietee, for the excellent narratives.
I leeched Tomorrow and he's the Soother. So when he was saying he's scanning people, he's lying.
Ohh SS ouch - dying with a headache must suck - your ghost will be in pain forever! I guess that was to be expected. Outed Spy and known to have been guarded last night.
I now have a new laptop, so I'll be able to resume posting vote counts. Hopefully people have been able to make use of the linked versions in the meantime. I've also been able to re-read the thread and make some notes.
We got a wolf. Great! If only it gave us more to go on. Plutos votes don't help us much.
Night 1. Tomorrow
Night 2. Tomorrow then switched and was the last vote for Koodauw. This could be Pluto creating a tie ready for the wolves soother ploy.
Night 3. no vote
Night 4. got lynched.
So I think Pluto was probably a wolf on Night 2 - due to that vote switch and the soothe. Knowing they had the swapper power to use makes more sense of the early soothe use. So IMO Pluto was an original wolf or a day 1 infect.
Night 4 tells us nothing at all since everyone jumped on Pluto to lynch him the moment Tomorrow told us he was a wolf with the swapper power - reasonable reactions - trying to shut him down early before he could use the power - but not fast enough. @Tomorrow I think you made a mistake there coming out so early. If we'd had some votes first maybe it would have given us more information and then we could have still lynched Pluto.
Night 3 voting doesn't tell us much either, since people were checking out Intell and so many people didn't vote at all.
There is no one alive totally cleared. I can think of a couple ways Tomorrow could still be a wolf - they require the wolves being very lucky but stranger things have happened. It's also possible he could get infected today if the infection hasn't been used yet. I think all possibilities of Tomorrow being a wolf are pretty unlikely though. It's also unlikely the wolves would swap him and then infect him as well - wastes a power.
So probably Tomorrow is ok.
I'm assuming that the wolves had Soother and Swapper power (as its very unlikely Pluto just happened to swap the power to the spent soother unless he knew who that was)
So what did the wolves gain by their little misdirect Night 2.
They gained a day of time while we ended up lynching Intell
They misdirected the Seer who used a scan on Intell (which helps them) @Tomorrow who would you have scanned on day 2 if Intell hadn't been saved?
They spent the soother power so that when they did the swap they weren't giving someone a power they could use to save themselves later. This is what for me finally makes sense of why the wolves used the power early to misdirect. It also implies that the 3rd (and possibly 4th if Pluto was infected) powers they have are also ones they consider useful (more useful than the soother?) rather than ones they could spend early and give away when using the swap which is worrying.
Anything else?
I'm not sure who is most suspicious atm. I'm going to consider Tomorrow cleared for the moment.
I think we need to wake up some of those that have been so very quiet - so for that reason - comeagain?
I guess that was to be expected. Outed Spy and known to have been guarded last night. I now have a new laptop, so I'll be able to resume posting vote counts. Hopefully people have been able to make use of the linked versions in the meantime. I've also been able to re-read the thread and make some notes.
We got a wolf. Great! If only it gave us more to go on. Plutos votes don't help us much.
Night 1. Tomorrow
Night 2. Tomorrow then switched and was the last vote for Koodauw. This could be Pluto creating a tie ready for the wolves soother ploy.
Night 3. no vote
Night 4. got lynched.
So I think Pluto was probably a wolf on Night 2 - due to that vote switch and the soothe. Knowing they had the swapper power to use makes more sense of the early soothe use. So IMO Pluto was an original wolf or a day 1 infect.
Night 4 tells us nothing at all since everyone jumped on Pluto to lynch him the moment Tomorrow told us he was a wolf with the swapper power - reasonable reactions - trying to shut him down early before he could use the power - but not fast enough. @Tomorrow I think you made a mistake there coming out so early. If we'd had some votes first maybe it would have given us more information and then we could have still lynched Pluto.
Night 3 voting doesn't tell us much either, since people were checking out Intell and so many people didn't vote at all.
There is no one alive totally cleared. I can think of a couple ways Tomorrow could still be a wolf - they require the wolves being very lucky but stranger things have happened. It's also possible he could get infected today if the infection hasn't been used yet. I think all possibilities of Tomorrow being a wolf are pretty unlikely though. It's also unlikely the wolves would swap him and then infect him as well - wastes a power.
So probably Tomorrow is ok.
I'm assuming that the wolves had Soother and Swapper power (as its very unlikely Pluto just happened to swap the power to the spent soother unless he knew who that was)
So what did the wolves gain by their little misdirect Night 2.
They gained a day of time while we ended up lynching Intell
They misdirected the Seer who used a scan on Intell (which helps them) @Tomorrow who would you have scanned on day 2 if Intell hadn't been saved?
They spent the soother power so that when they did the swap they weren't giving someone a power they could use to save themselves later. This is what for me finally makes sense of why the wolves used the power early to misdirect. It also implies that the 3rd (and possibly 4th if Pluto was infected) powers they have are also ones they consider useful (more useful than the soother?) rather than ones they could spend early and give away when using the swap which is worrying.
Anything else?
I'm not sure who is most suspicious atm. I'm going to consider Tomorrow cleared for the moment.
I think we need to wake up some of those that have been so very quiet - so for that reason - comeagain?
scepticalscribe was unfortunately a predictable kill. outed spy, low on the suspect list (even though she tought we were after), and -most important- unprotectable by the guard.
Ohh SS ouch - dying with a headache must suck - your ghost will be in pain forever!
I now have a new laptop, so I'll be able to resume posting vote counts. Hopefully people have been able to make use of the linked versions in the meantime. I've also been able to re-read the thread and make some notes.
We got a wolf. Great! If only it gave us more to go on. Plutos votes don't help us much.
Night 1. Tomorrow
Night 2. Tomorrow then switched and was the last vote for Koodauw. This could be Pluto creating a tie ready for the wolves soother ploy.
Night 3. no vote
Night 4. got lynched.
So I think Pluto was probably a wolf on Night 2 - due to that vote switch and the soothe. Knowing they had the swapper power to use makes more sense of the early soothe use. So IMO Pluto was an original wolf or a day 1 infect.
Night 4 tells us nothing at all since everyone jumped on Pluto to lynch him the moment Tomorrow told us he was a wolf with the swapper power - reasonable reactions - trying to shut him down early before he could use the power - but not fast enough. @Tomorrow I think you made a mistake there coming out so early. If we'd had some votes first maybe it would have given us more information and then we could have still lynched Pluto.
Night 3 voting doesn't tell us much either, since people were checking out Intell and so many people didn't vote at all.
There is no one alive totally cleared. I can think of a couple ways Tomorrow could still be a wolf - they require the wolves being very lucky but stranger things have happened. It's also possible he could get infected today if the infection hasn't been used yet. I think all possibilities of Tomorrow being a wolf are pretty unlikely though. It's also unlikely the wolves would swap him and then infect him as well - wastes a power.
So probably Tomorrow is ok.
I'm assuming that the wolves had Soother and Swapper power (as its very unlikely Pluto just happened to swap the power to the spent soother unless he knew who that was)
So what did the wolves gain by their little misdirect Night 2.
They gained a day of time while we ended up lynching Intell
They misdirected the Seer who used a scan on Intell (which helps them) @Tomorrow who would you have scanned on day 2 if Intell hadn't been saved?
They spent the soother power so that when they did the swap they weren't giving someone a power they could use to save themselves later. This is what for me finally makes sense of why the wolves used the power early to misdirect. It also implies that the 3rd (and possibly 4th if Pluto was infected) powers they have are also ones they consider useful (more useful than the soother?) rather than ones they could spend early and give away when using the swap which is worrying.
Anything else?
I'm not sure who is most suspicious atm. I'm going to consider Tomorrow cleared for the moment.
I think we need to wake up some of those that have been so very quiet - so for that reason - comeagain?
nice post
the easiest way for tomorrow to still be bad is if he was infected (which would make pluto WW #3), and they decided to sacrifice pluto to give tomorrow a cover. not impossible, but not very likely either, especially considering that there was no much need for it. there are other scenarios, but they are even less likely.
i think we should keep that in mind as a possibility, but for now there are several other much more likely candidates.
Yep. I'd have been suspicious of her if she didn't die - as it would mean either a wolf or another wolf misdirect.
Yeah its on my radar - partially because Tomorrow outing Pluto so early in the day didn't help us at all. Seeing how the votes went first or a subtle hint would probably have helped us more. Of course if Tomorrow is a wolf he doesn't have to be infected - he could be an original wolf and someone else the infected Seer. In which case Tomorrow could have been the soother all along and the swap never used (pluto doesn't even have to have been the swapper in that scenario)
@ravenvii Can you tell us if the power you leached is used up?
Don't Panic obviously looks more suspicious the longer he's alive. Plus, his last few posts are more pointy-fingers, which his exactly what began to happen in the lat game. Be that as it may, we'll never get enough votes to string him up even if he is a wolf because he's so damn easy to have around. Plus, he always brings his own beer and he's a devil to beat at Limbo.
To my mind, this game has seen at least one possible smokescreen; is it possible that Sceptical Scribe's specific naming of Anjinha, Moyank, and Sythas related to her disappearance, or her getting lunched just to throw the village off the scent? By the same token, TechGod is obviously still around, and listening, just not posting and Ravenvii also is evidently just floating in the background. I'm not so sure about Sythas, because I think that would be too obvious, but Ravenvii looks a bit more fluffy than usual. Whether it's because of his Don Johnson 'Fuzzy' look or because of actual fur I don't know but I will go with Ravenvii for now and hope we have an explanation as to why he's checking in regularly, posting very intermittently, and saying he has to, quote 'catch up' (#643) but then obvious not reading the previous posts. He was also one of only two not to vote for a confirmed wolf; I'd point out that Sythas, also fingered by Sceptical, also didn't vote for Pluto and Comeagain? jumped in at the last minute. @Don't panic how's that for 'low information?' and no, I'm not a huge fan of S&G beyond Mrs. Robinson and that other one they did about silence.
@Scepticalscribe I will send my upcycled scotch bottle boat, the SS Ozymandius, to pick you up and carry you on your way across the River Styx. She is a worthy ship and will get you where you need to go.
To my mind, this game has seen at least one possible smokescreen; is it possible that Sceptical Scribe's specific naming of Anjinha, Moyank, and Sythas related to her disappearance, or her getting lunched just to throw the village off the scent? By the same token, TechGod is obviously still around, and listening, just not posting and Ravenvii also is evidently just floating in the background. I'm not so sure about Sythas, because I think that would be too obvious, but Ravenvii looks a bit more fluffy than usual. Whether it's because of his Don Johnson 'Fuzzy' look or because of actual fur I don't know but I will go with Ravenvii for now and hope we have an explanation as to why he's checking in regularly, posting very intermittently, and saying he has to, quote 'catch up' (#643) but then obvious not reading the previous posts. He was also one of only two not to vote for a confirmed wolf; I'd point out that Sythas, also fingered by Sceptical, also didn't vote for Pluto and Comeagain? jumped in at the last minute. @Don't panic how's that for 'low information?'
and no, I'm not a huge fan of S&G beyond Mrs. Robinson and that other one they did about silence.@Scepticalscribe I will send my upcycled scotch bottle boat, the SS Ozymandius, to pick you up and carry you on your way across the River Styx. She is a worthy ship and will get you where you need to go.
wow... just wow... If Rick and Ravenvii are villagers, we just got two unlucky strike.
For Tomorrow, I think he did good and he could have kept his power if Plutonius wasn't lurking on the forums.
I'll go with Anjinha for now.
P.S. SS, I think that you are a villager now, almost 100% sure...
For Tomorrow, I think he did good and he could have kept his power if Plutonius wasn't lurking on the forums.
I'll go with Anjinha for now.
P.S. SS, I think that you are a villager now, almost 100% sure...
Time to come out, I'm the undertaker..
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