That's fine, I don't mind being on the list.
Those names are fine with me, perhaps Aggie or JimN as well?
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[WW] MRVille VIII: Something has Survived... GAME OVER, Vampires win!
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That's fine, I don't mind being on the list.
Those names are fine with me, perhaps Aggie or JimN as well?
I wasn't sure if he was kidding or not
If he isn't, of course there's no reason to have him on the list. My preferred list of 4 would be mscriv, Don't Panic, -aggie- and Rodimus Prime.
Why so eager to see Ravenvii and myself lynched my friend?
I feel the same about the priest's prayer as I did last game. You can put me on the list, but I'm not a baddie so if we're looking for baddies then it's a wasted spot and it puts me on a short list of people who might get "accidentally" lynched while trying to determine who the real baddie on the short list truly is. Honestly, that's not a place I'd prefer to be.
And, I'm not sure I understand the logic behind clearing a group of players from suspicion. Of course it helps with some early voting, but it also seems to increase a person's chance of getting eaten at night. I mean players who are proven to be "good guys" don't help the baddies cause at all. In fact, it seems best to eliminate cleared players so everyone in the game remains suspicious. It's easier to hide that way.
Hmmm... so many different angles... ???
I feel the same about the priest's prayer as I did last game. You can put me on the list, but I'm not a baddie so if we're looking for baddies then it's a wasted spot and it puts me on a short list of people who might get "accidentally" lynched while trying to determine who the real baddie on the short list truly is. Honestly, that's not a place I'd prefer to be.
And, I'm not sure I understand the logic behind clearing a group of players from suspicion. Of course it helps with some early voting, but it also seems to increase a person's chance of getting eaten at night. I mean players who are proven to be "good guys" don't help the baddies cause at all. In fact, it seems best to eliminate cleared players so everyone in the game remains suspicious. It's easier to hide that way.
Hmmm... so many different angles... ???
I wasn't sure if he was kidding or not
I obviously don't mind Rodimus being on the list *wink wink* but I'd throw in Ravenvii and take out mscriv. He's going to get a lot of attention due to his former godliness, and I think nailing him down first removes a lot of the distortion over whether to take him seriously or not as a player.
I'm eager to not lynch you and know you're safe to trust, at least for now. That's why I picked a small list that isn't as likely to have a bad guy on it, particularly when neither side has had a chance to infect yet.
the idea is to hopefully clear the players listed, with has a reasonale chance to occur (not as high as last game, since there are less players).
if the answer is 'no', then (excluding the priest) we have 3 baddies in 14 remaining players, if it is 'yes' we have one in 4.
in both cases the chances of randomly nailing a baddie on the first night are 20-25% (with no prayer at all they are 16%).
it is true that the cleared players would become targets, but they also are likely to be protected by the hunters for the same reason, so the wolves (and eventually the vamps) might waste multiple nights, giving the seer a head-start.
It kind of sounds to me that this idea, in actuality, is asking a select group of players to be volunteers for getting taken out by the village (lynching for the baddie in the list) or taken out by the baddies (sacrificial highlighted targets). But take heart, it's for "the betterment of the village".
And knowing the way Chrmjenkins thinks, there's probably also an element of trying to "control" people's actions behind the scenes. I mean if we did clear four players with the prayer, then they would likely become targets of the vampire who is seeking out a villager for quick activation. This would, in essence, produce a list of probable new vampire candidates.
I'm still failing to see any advantage or benefit for those who are unfortunate enough to be selected. Maybe, as was mentioned before, taking volunteers would be the best option?
Is there any amongst us who would like to be put in this coveted and desirable position? As some have laid out it seems "fairly" safe and apparently it would make you quite popular in a variety of ways.
As odd as it sounds after seeing the pray last few games I almost feel it is better to us it a few days in as that is when we got some idea how things fall from the votes.
Other wise like mscriv said you get a chance of everyone targeting a very small group and I think last game if it was not for our seer the camps would of lived a lot longer became we would of assumed we got the baddie in tue group after the first round. Instead we had 3 in that group. 1 being infected and it would of been 4 of the infection had not failed.
Other wise like mscriv said you get a chance of everyone targeting a very small group and I think last game if it was not for our seer the camps would of lived a lot longer became we would of assumed we got the baddie in tue group after the first round. Instead we had 3 in that group. 1 being infected and it would of been 4 of the infection had not failed.
i don't care to be in the list.
one way or another i always end up as a suspect, so might as well be for a good reason.
as far as attacks/infection, obviously no one would attack or infect one of the 4 candidates until the baddie was found among them, and after that whoever is left could be a good candidate for infection, but also high profile one, which is not so good. plus i would hope and imagine the hunters would focus on the cleared people for protection, so infection could be a waste and attacks could fail.
Jav, what happens to the vamp activating attack if the hunter was protecting the person attacked? does he get no info, or simply the attack fails like if the target was a special (this would be cool)?
edit: rodimus, i don't thimk would be a bad idea to wait one day for the prayer, so there is a chance to get the 2nd vamp as well in the 'net'.
meanwhile, since the priest is not being too active, i'll vote for cboss, as he appears to be the one with the most ancient most recent post in the thread.
as soon as we have a prayer, i'll switch to something more rational.
one way or another i always end up as a suspect, so might as well be for a good reason.
as far as attacks/infection, obviously no one would attack or infect one of the 4 candidates until the baddie was found among them, and after that whoever is left could be a good candidate for infection, but also high profile one, which is not so good. plus i would hope and imagine the hunters would focus on the cleared people for protection, so infection could be a waste and attacks could fail.
Jav, what happens to the vamp activating attack if the hunter was protecting the person attacked? does he get no info, or simply the attack fails like if the target was a special (this would be cool)?
edit: rodimus, i don't thimk would be a bad idea to wait one day for the prayer, so there is a chance to get the 2nd vamp as well in the 'net'.
meanwhile, since the priest is not being too active, i'll vote for cboss, as he appears to be the one with the most ancient most recent post in the thread.
as soon as we have a prayer, i'll switch to something more rational.
If you don't choose the number of people with care. Choose too many and the odds that at least one baddie is in the list become high and you pretty much have to start lynching them. But how is that any different from the village as a whole, where we must do the same to a larger group? Thus, to make the list benign, we make it small enough so that it is more likely we get a list of clean candidates and make the first vote a little less random.
Can only run that gag once. If it isn't a single person and the bad guys aren't almost assured to bite on it, it becomes a chess match and lost in a sea of what if's. We can't take someone's being on the initial list as an indicator that they are any less/more likely to be infected down the road. Moreover, placing people on that list will give us no indication as to whether they are/aren't good specials instead of being baddies, making them immune to the vamp. If we go focusing on them specifically, we could force someone to out themselves who doesn't want to.
The benefit is clear. If the list is clean, they get a free pass for at least several rounds. Taking volunteers would help the smaller the list is, as the less likely a baddie would volunteer hoping to hide in the numbers. If that's how we want to do it, I'll gladly volunteer.
I was the victim of the Priest's question in the last game (well, depending on how you look at it ), so I know how it feels to be singled out and partitioned.
I would be open to delaying the Priest's vote, but I still think that the Priest has nothing to lose by outing them self now. Because of his/her immunity for the first three days, we can at least clear one person of suspicion right off the bat.
I think we should start with that, would the Priest please consider outing yourself so we can at least start our deliberations with 18 people, instead of 19?
After that, we can continue our discussion on what the Priest question should be and when we should use it.
EDIT: I was the one who suggested that we should volunteer earlier, and that those who don't volunteer should then be included in the Priest's question.
Another option might be to choose 4 people to include in the Priest's question who have not been active thus far... I think this accomplishes a couple things. First, we can potentially clear those people for awhile. Second, as infection targets they could be quite unattractive to the baddies at the same time, because if game hold ups occur immediately afterward, those same people then become viable targets for lynching (and thus a wasted infection).
The more I think about it, this last option might be something to consider. Perhaps we could start a role call of people that are actively watching/participating in this thread to whittle the list of who to include in the Priest's question.
), so I know how it feels to be singled out and partitioned.I would be open to delaying the Priest's vote, but I still think that the Priest has nothing to lose by outing them self now. Because of his/her immunity for the first three days, we can at least clear one person of suspicion right off the bat.
I think we should start with that, would the Priest please consider outing yourself so we can at least start our deliberations with 18 people, instead of 19?
After that, we can continue our discussion on what the Priest question should be and when we should use it.
EDIT: I was the one who suggested that we should volunteer earlier, and that those who don't volunteer should then be included in the Priest's question.
Another option might be to choose 4 people to include in the Priest's question who have not been active thus far... I think this accomplishes a couple things. First, we can potentially clear those people for awhile. Second, as infection targets they could be quite unattractive to the baddies at the same time, because if game hold ups occur immediately afterward, those same people then become viable targets for lynching (and thus a wasted infection).
The more I think about it, this last option might be something to consider. Perhaps we could start a role call of people that are actively watching/participating in this thread to whittle the list of who to include in the Priest's question.
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if you want to go for this, then the 'clearing list' should be only 3 people (55.7% of no), with 4 it's already down to 44%.
i would still go for 4, as 3 seems too little a pool of 'cleans'.
A free pass from lynching, but not from getting killed by a wolf, who has a nice list of 4 (or whatever the number is) to choose from.
I can see the benefit in having somewhere to start, but I certainly can understand why some wouldn't want to volunteer...even if they have nothing to hide.
And if both hunters are protecting someone from that list, the wolves have a 50% chance of wasting a night. It's not cut and dry.
Quoting this to bring it up for discussion in case some of you missed it.
Given that, these are the people that have posted in the game thread since the game started this morning:
Moyank25
Don't panic
Appleguy123
stonyc
chrmjenkins
Rodimus Prime
iBlue
mscriv
-aggie-
Melrose
NathanMuir
ravenvii
Plutonius
These people have posted in the past few days (in jimN's case, he vote shortly before the game started) but not in the game so far:
jimN
Melkorr (posted in Simple Game thread today)
That leaves the following people who have not posted in awhile:
3. Mexbearpig
13. CBoss
15. philbeeney
17. renewed
There you go. Thoughts?
EDIT: I do know that some people are notorious for not posting much regardless, such as renewed and MBP... so take that list for what it's worth, simply a starting point for discussion.
EDIT2: Heh, thought of a flaw in my thinking... d'oh! As infection targets, they don't move the game... the Alpha WW and the Alpha Vampire do. So never mind that line of thinking.
EDIT: I was the one who suggested that we should volunteer earlier, and that those who don't volunteer should then be included in the Priest's question.
Another option might be to choose 4 people to include in the Priest's question who have not been active thus far... I think this accomplishes a couple things. First, we can potentially clear those people for awhile. Second, as infection targets they could be quite unattractive to the baddies at the same time, because if game hold ups occur immediately afterward, those same people then become viable targets for lynching (and thus a wasted infection).
The more I think about it, this last option might be something to consider. Perhaps we could start a role call of people that are actively watching/participating in this thread to whittle the list of who to include in the Priest's question.
Given that, these are the people that have posted in the game thread since the game started this morning:
Moyank25
Don't panic
Appleguy123
stonyc
chrmjenkins
Rodimus Prime
iBlue
mscriv
-aggie-
Melrose
NathanMuir
ravenvii
Plutonius
These people have posted in the past few days (in jimN's case, he vote shortly before the game started) but not in the game so far:
jimN
Melkorr (posted in Simple Game thread today)
That leaves the following people who have not posted in awhile:
3. Mexbearpig
13. CBoss
15. philbeeney
17. renewed
There you go. Thoughts?
EDIT: I do know that some people are notorious for not posting much regardless, such as renewed and MBP... so take that list for what it's worth, simply a starting point for discussion.
EDIT2: Heh, thought of a flaw in my thinking... d'oh! As infection targets, they don't move the game... the Alpha WW and the Alpha Vampire do. So never mind that line of thinking.
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i don't think stonyC idea of pooling the ones who post the least in the question is a bad one.
but if we get a 'no', as the answer, wouldn't they be even more prone not to participate? so would you push the list to 5-6 names to get the 'yes' more likely?
as far as the priest, no reason to come out until he/she wants to start the ritual, or if he/she is being targeted for lynching. If you don't come out until needed, we might always get lucky and the baddies waste a scan.
and remember that although we might suggest questions and their variations, it will be the priest who decides what to ask at the end. it is not essential that there is a consensus on the question (though hopefully he/she will listen to people suggestions to mature his/her decision)
but if we get a 'no', as the answer, wouldn't they be even more prone not to participate? so would you push the list to 5-6 names to get the 'yes' more likely?
as far as the priest, no reason to come out until he/she wants to start the ritual, or if he/she is being targeted for lynching. If you don't come out until needed, we might always get lucky and the baddies waste a scan.
and remember that although we might suggest questions and their variations, it will be the priest who decides what to ask at the end. it is not essential that there is a consensus on the question (though hopefully he/she will listen to people suggestions to mature his/her decision)
Me? On the list?
Ohhhhh I understand. I'm more effective at killing waswolvez as a zombie. After all, they can't kill me because I'm already dead!
Brilliant, folks! Brilliant!
I'd love to be on the list!
You're so lucky I'm the Priest, what with the awesome insta-kill and zombification abilities! I'll bring you flawless victories! Yes, victories!
And jav6454 must be a crappy game host -- he hasn't resolved my order to kill Melrose yet!
Ohhhhh I understand. I'm more effective at killing waswolvez as a zombie. After all, they can't kill me because I'm already dead!
Brilliant, folks! Brilliant!
I'd love to be on the list!
You're so lucky I'm the Priest, what with the awesome insta-kill and zombification abilities! I'll bring you flawless victories! Yes, victories!
And jav6454 must be a crappy game host -- he hasn't resolved my order to kill Melrose yet!
I'm afraid being omniscient for so long has driven our friend quite mad.
i am telling you it's iBlue's cakes. I suppose having only recently acquired a body makes him more sensitive to the goodies.
I don't deal with terrorists... hehehe
No, I'm still here, just busy with Electronics Final study material; although I can't say the same thing for power drunk ravenvii...
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I'm afraid being omniscient for so long has driven our friend quite mad.
The question is, Is he the priest? Hes said so twice now. If not, I say vote him off.