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[WW] - The Game of Thrones - GAME OVER - LOYALS WIN

Not again. To lose one's life once is unfortunate, to lose it twice (in such circumstances) sounds like downright carelessness.......

Damn. I was about to say 'quel surprise'..... yet, it is anything but that, unfortunately.

Death (well, being murdered) as deja vu is something I never thought I'd experience in this life......

Good luck comrades; go get them. And a very warm thank you for the cloak of your protection WoodNUFC.....

 
twietee said:
Wow, seems like the really good stuff only happens while I'm in bed! :eek: :D


But how unfortunate a turn of events! Always a tough call being an exposed Vulture rolling dice, I can't blame you woodNUFC. I had some hopes for jimN being the BoughtMan - that would've explained and excused his past posts - well, not so much anymore. Let's hope we already got the Sneak and RedMan.

There is a silver lining: the circle of suspects didn't really change since I'm not a poor king and don't need no bribes - I'll just raise the taxes and that's it.
Since I believe we should spare us the tedious work of searching for an eventually dead Sneak right now, here's the list of good loyals/specials and suspects:

woodNUFC
QoS
Fenris
ravenvii
Moyank
Sythas

Twietee

Rick
Roric
Koodauw
Comeagain?
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can you tell me how you are cleared? its been confusing these last couple days...

i know moyank, and sythas are cleared via scans, anyone else im missing?

and woodnufc is a special. im going with koodauw, gut feeling he knows exactly what he is doing.

i just can't see comeagain? being so far disconnected from the game as a baddie.
 
rick snagwell said:
can you tell me how you are cleared? its been confusing these last couple days...
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I'm not cleared.

WoodNUFC (Vulture/Hunter)
QoS (Handmaiden/NW)
Sythas, Fenris, Moyank, ravenvii (good loyals but possible sneak)

Twietee (no Traitor but possbile BoughtMan)

rick snagwell, Roric, Koodauw and Comeagain? (?)
 
twietee said:
I'm not cleared.

WoodNUFC (Vulture/Hunter)
QoS (Handmaiden/NW)
Sythas, Fenris, Moyank, ravenvii (good loyals but possible sneak)

Twietee (no Traitor but possbile BoughtMan)

rick snagwell, Roric, Koodauw and Comeagain? (?)
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so lets say all your info is spot on, isn't that all done now due to another traitor in the mix?

is the red man a bad guy now?
 
rick snagwell said:
so lets say all your info is spot on, isn't that all done now due to another traitor in the mix?

is the red man a bad guy now?
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From reading the rules, I think the wording of "The traitors have gained a member." means The Dirk and Bought Man have found each other.

I don't see anything in the rules indicating we would get any clue about the Red Man being found except a lack of killing at night (as happened in Night 3(?)), but that could also be a successful protect by The Vulture. Hmm.... if the Vulture protected the Red Man the same night the Traitors try to kill the Red Man, would that end up with Vulture dead and the Red Man joined with the Traitors?
 
rick snagwell said:
so lets say all your info is spot on, isn't that all done now due to another traitor in the mix?

is the red man a bad guy now?
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:confused:

Well, since we have 4 traitors + 1 BoughtMan/Goth but killed only 2, there are 3 baddies left right now. Left is the BoughtMan, The Dirk and 1 from LordinWaiting/RedMan/Sneak

It's almost too late to get them, rick!
 
twietee said:
:confused:

Well, since we have 4 traitors + 1 BoughtMan/Goth but killed only 2, there are 3 baddies left right now. Left is the BoughtMan, The Dirk and 1 from LordinWaiting/RedMan/Sneak

It's almost too late to get them, rick!
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so the so-called 'cleared' players and specials could be bad now right?

and we don't know the title of the dead traitors?
 
Roric said:
From reading the rules, I think the wording of "The traitors have gained a member." means The Dirk and Bought Man have found each other.

I don't see anything in the rules indicating we would get any clue about the Red Man being found except a lack of killing at night (as happened in Night 3(?)), but that could also be a successful protect by The Vulture. Hmm.... if the Vulture protected the Red Man the same night the Traitors try to kill the Red Man, would that end up with Vulture dead and the Red Man joined with the Traitors?
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Night 3 I protected SS, there were no kills and no announcements afterward about another traitor joining the team. Therefore, I think it's safe to say that I protected the right person.

I'm not sure what you are getting at with the Red Man thing? It's a good procedural question, but it doesn't actually help us here.

If you are suggesting that SS was the Red Man, it makes no sense for the traitors to kill her twice...
 
rick snagwell said:
so the so-called 'cleared' players and specials could be bad now right?

and we don't know the title of the dead traitors?
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Yup, but they (only one of them) could've been bad before.

Nope, but we know it couldn't have been the Dirk. At this point I'd go even as far as saying that we don't have to worry that much about the RedMan anymore. There is a good chance we lynched him already and even if we didn't I doubt that the Traitors risk narrowing down the list of Roric, Rick, comeagain?, Koodauw anymore by attempting to kill one of them (what would be necessary to find the RedMan).

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Having said all that, I think it should be considered - if still alive that is - by the Bravosi to reaveal him- or herself to kill one of those four so that we can lynch another while QoS is still amongst us. I fear we're going to lose her sooner than later and that could mean lynching blindly.
 
Don't panic said:
i most certainly hope you don't have eyes on the stuff Tomorrow is referring to.....
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Yes, it does sometimes lead to seeing some rather unfortunate things...
 

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To clear up the confusion -- there will be/is no announcement that the red man has joined the other traitors, assuming he/she still lives of course.
 
twietee said:
Yup, but they (only one of them) could've been bad before.

Nope, but we know it couldn't have been the Dirk. At this point I'd go even as far as saying that we don't have to worry that much about the RedMan anymore. There is a good chance we lynched him already and even if we didn't I doubt that the Traitors risk narrowing down the list of Roric, Rick, comeagain?, Koodauw anymore by attempting to kill one of them (what would be necessary to find the RedMan).

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Having said all that, I think it should be considered - if still alive that is - by the Bravosi to reaveal him- or herself to kill one of those four so that we can lynch another while QoS is still amongst us. I fear we're going to lose her sooner than later and that could mean lynching blindly.
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So, we now have the bought man to worry about which means we can't trust anyone other than WoodNUFC/QoS for 100% certain. That's not good. At least it means we know the Dirk is still alive so we've killed 2 of the Sneak, Red Man and Lord In Waiting. Best case for us is probably if we've dealt with Sneak and Red Man. Dirk and Lord In Waiting are least dangerous to us.

Either way, we have at least 1 and up to 3 traitors remaining amongst Roric, rick snagwell, Koodauw and comeagain, so those should be our first targets, then we go after those that were scanned/protected loyal.

If there are any specials living amongst those 4 its probably time they revealed themselves. The Bravosi if still alive should probably then pick whichever they feel is most suspicious and kill them off.

I also think its time the Maester and other Handmaiden revealed themselves if still alive as currently we can still confirm handmaiden via QoS and we know Maester is unlikely to have died since the revival of SS.

Next targets for the traitors is likely WoodNUFC and QoS to remove the only ones we can totally trust.
 
chrmjenkins said:
To clear up the confusion -- there will be/is no announcement that the red man has joined the other traitors, assuming he/she still lives of course.
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There was confusion about that? I just noticed rick playing the illiterate but loyal peasant? :p

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FenrisMoonlight said:
So, we now have the bought man to worry about which means we can't trust anyone other than WoodNUFC/QoS for 100% certain.
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Disagree. scepticalscribe's scans said Good Loyal, we should be safe to assume that the BoughtMan wouldn't come up like that. So my list is accurate imho.
 
Roric said:
I was attempting to answer Rick's question of "is the red man a bad guy now?"
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Red Man is always a bad guy even if the other traitors haven't found him. We still need to find and kill him to win. The only time they could have found him was the no kill of night 3 but its more likely they tried to kill SS and failed due to Vulture protection. Also, since we didn't get a kamikaze attack yesterday we know that they didn't find the Red Man yet (or we killed him last night). At this point I suspect the Red Man is probably one of those we killed already. Unfortunately that would mean there is less we can read into the votes as the other traitors didnt know who the Red Man was.

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twietee said:
There was confusion about that? I just noticed rick playing the illiterate but loyal peasant? :p

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Disagree. scepticalscribe's scans said Good Loyal, we should be safe to assume that the BoughtMan wouldn't come up like that. So my list is accurate imho.
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Still means we can't trust anyone other than WoodNUFC/QoS 100%. Any of those scanned by SS could still be the Sneak. You can't be Sneak but could be bought as you were protected by Vulture.

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Also, rules state

- Master of Whispers scan: Player is Loyal or a Traitor. (The Bought Man is human even if he has defected but she will sense that he is helping the Traitors)

but would she sense anything before the bought man defected? i.e. when her scans were made. At that point Bought Man wasn't bought so would still be Good?
 
Yes, that's how it works imo. Edit: the seer would sense that s/he's helping the traitors even when inactive. Edit II, damit you might be right though. Thought we played it like that last game. This would be really f'd!

I said that I wouldn't worry about the Sneak now hence my list. I'm not the BM so we have minimum 2 baddies left within those 4 mentioed before.
 
twietee said:
Yes, that's how it works imo. Edit: the seer would sense that s/he's helping the traitors even when inactive. Edit II, damit you might be right though. Thought we played it like that last game. This would be really f'd!

I said that I wouldn't worry about the Sneak now hence my list. I'm not the BM so we have minimum 2 baddies left within those 4 mentioed before.
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Assuming I trust you! :p
 
Arggh more edits. I wasn't in the last game so dunno how it was played then.

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twietee said:
Huh? Since you quoted my edits I assume you noticed them? :p
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Not until after I'd hit reply. You must have edited after I'd read the page but before I clicked quote so I hadn't read everything I quoted.
 
Twietee, stop editing please. It's very annoying (and against the rules) when i look once and you've said one thing, and look again and there's much more new information that vbulletin doesn't know to alert me about.

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This thread is Wastlanded when then game ends anyway, so having extraneous amounts of posts isn't a problem.
 
We know the Bought Man has defected.

We know that none of the players 'Scribe scanned is the Bought Man (else she would've revealed that). Please clarify on this, chrmjenkins -- in my game, I would reveal Baltar to the 'seer' even if he hasn't defected yet.

We know that the Red Man hasn't been found.

The only possible "non-clearing" of the people 'Scribe scanned is that any of us could be the Sneak. However it is clear that we should go after the Dirk and Lord in Waiting (if the Sneak has already been hung) first, and that is among the 4 remaining unknowns.

If you are Bravosi or Maester, reveal yourself now.

Until then… I go right back to my mainstay: Comeagain?
 
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