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WWDC 2020: Complete Transcript of Apple's Keynote with iOS 14, macOS Big Sur, and More

JPack said:
Apple would never give a "solid commitment" to support X of years because that would draw out the transition.

Sure, new Intel iMacs will come out this year. Because people still need computers today to do work based on x86 programs. But that doesn't mean a $2,000 iMac will slow down the entire transition.
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You seem to be conflating the transition and support. They can complete the transition of their entire Mac lineup to their own silicon and still provide support for the then-no-longer-produced Intel Macs for "years to come" (which again, that phrase in the normal use of language is not literal and implies more than 2 years, especially when said with such emphasis as Tim did).
 
It's almost like people forget history. Maybe it's cognitive dissonance?

  • June 6, 2005: Apple announces transition from PPC to Intel.
  • October 19, 2005: Apple Introduces Power Mac G5 Quad & Power Mac G5 Dual.
  • October 26, 2007: Apple ships Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard", the final release with PowerPC support.
 
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KPOM said:
“Osborning” means to inadvertently kill sales of your existing product by touting the next version coming in the future. Osborne went out of business before that new model could ever be released, since sales of the old version tanked.
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Thanks. Never heard that term before. Seeing as Tim mentioned they were working on new Intel Macs (obviously a committed statement), that would not seem to be the case here.
 
Ulfric said:
Would have loved to see a cinebench score of that SoC. It would have given us an idea how powerful it is going to be compared to Ryzen & Intel.
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Yeah, I hope some of dev who had that transition system would leaks some synthetic benchmark online so we can measure how it stacks in current high end Core i9 / Ryzen chips and justifying price when Apple release actual ARM Macs into retail
 
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JPack said:
It's almost like people forget history. Maybe it's cognitive dissonance?

  • June 6, 2005: Apple announces transition from PPC to Intel.
  • October 19, 2005: Apple Introduces Power Mac G5 Quad & Power Mac G5 Dual.
  • October 26, 2007: Apple ships Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard", the final release with PowerPC support.
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And how long was Leopard supported after its release date? I guess we need to differentiate between supported on the latest OS or supported but having to keep an earlier OS by 1-2 versions.

Did they make a statement in June 2005 about Power PC Macs being supported for "years to come"? I've seen the video, but it's been a while.
 
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fishkorp said:
Not sure if posted (too many posts), DTK is $500.

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Apple announces Mac transition to Apple silicon

Apple today announced it will transition the Mac to its custom silicon to deliver industry-leading performance and powerful new technologies.
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They are insane 500 and you have to return the device. WOW.


The DTK, which must be returned to Apple at the end of the program, consists of a Mac mini with Apple’s A12Z Bionic SoC inside and desktop specs, including 16GB of memory, a 512GB SSD, and a variety of Mac I/O ports. Developers can apply to the program at developer.apple.com, and the total cost of the program is $500.
 
bradl said:
It will. I'm still on my 13" mid-2011 MBA, on Sierra. If 2 years is normally when people considering to upgrade, I've definitely got my money's worth out of a 7 year old MBA!

BL.
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awesome! mine is mid '15, and knock on wood it's doing well. i'm perfectly happy with it, just hope it's happy with me too)
 
DeepIn2U said:
no my connection was fine, AppleTV 4.

What I mean by jumpy or jarring is not the connection interfering .. just the rapid jump in transitions from scene to scene - Tim's transitions were sudden, like Frame to Frame. One moment he's on stage front and centre and next somewhere else. It's like talking about Apple silicon in one sentence, and in the same paragraph jumping about Wizard of Oz that's what I'm referring to.
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Oh that. Yeah, it was a bit too fast. Still, it makes other keynote productions look less than YouTube in production quality.
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justperry said:
I don't use windows on my macs, I have no need for it, but I guess many people do, I hope for them it will be as fast or close to as fast as running it natively, only then the moaning will stop.
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They showed Ubuntu running with no issues. Windows certainly isn’t Linux but it isn’t as hard to run as it used to be either.
 
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fishkorp said:
Not sure if posted (too many posts), DTK is $500.

www.apple.com

Apple announces Mac transition to Apple silicon

Apple today announced it will transition the Mac to its custom silicon to deliver industry-leading performance and powerful new technologies.
www.apple.com
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when I saw the price and the specs I thought, hey that’s a great price for a new Mac! Then I read the thing and you have to return it after. The $500 is to be part of the Quick Start program, it’s not the price of the actual DTK.
 
JPack said:
It's almost like people forget history. Maybe it's cognitive dissonance?

  • June 6, 2005: Apple announces transition from PPC to Intel.
  • October 19, 2005: Apple Introduces Power Mac G5 Quad & Power Mac G5 Dual.
  • October 26, 2007: Apple ships Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard", the final release with PowerPC support.
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I remember. I also to this day have friends running older OS X Macs that can still run older software that never got remade for Intel. Yeah, the big companies like Microsoft and Adobe will support Apple's transition as they do their yearly releases or subscription models. But you can forget about most everyone else who puts out a product you only have to buy once. Companies, if they're even still around, aren't going to dedicate the time, money, and manpower for older products. Gaming will probably be even more dead than it is now.
 
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LeoCastillo said:
when I saw the price and the specs I thought, hey that’s a great price for a new Mac! Then I read the thing and you have to return it after. The $500 is to be part of the Quick Start program, it’s not the price of the actual DTK.
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The DTK is part of the program. The intel ones (I think) have you discounts on finished products to essentially make it a wash.
I expected the entry price higher, tbh.
 
Stromos said:
They are insane 500 and you have to return the device. WOW.


The DTK, which must be returned to Apple at the end of the program, consists of a Mac mini with Apple’s A12Z Bionic SoC inside and desktop specs, including 16GB of memory, a 512GB SSD, and a variety of Mac I/O ports. Developers can apply to the program at developer.apple.com, and the total cost of the program is $500.
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Devil advocate, but looking back history, some of dev hasn’t returned G5 Pentium DTP back then to tell the tale and some of owner still keep it as personal collection. Guest it would be same with current Mac Mini DTP.
 
TheKDub said:
Lol, my 2020 MBP just arrived 2 days ago... And I updated from my 2013 MBP and was looking for another 7 year lifespan (2013 worked well for 7 years!). What do you think my lifespan of my 2020 MBP will be?
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Better box it up and send it back to Apple ;)

Just kidding....I'd assume they'll support Intel bsed Macs for the usual 7-8 years to be honest.
 
JPack said:
It's almost like people forget history. Maybe it's cognitive dissonance?

  • June 6, 2005: Apple announces transition from PPC to Intel.
  • October 19, 2005: Apple Introduces Power Mac G5 Quad & Power Mac G5 Dual.
  • October 26, 2007: Apple ships Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard", the final release with PowerPC support.
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You forgot to add:

August 5, 2009: Apple releases Mac OS X 10.5.8 update (last 10.5 version)
June 23, 2011: End of support date for Mac OS X 10.5
 
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mrxak said:
Thanks, I've been making the transition already for the last couple years. This is the final nail in the coffin of my hopes that Apple will ever make Macs again that I will care about. Mac OS has been the frog in the slowly boiling pot ever since the first iPhone came out, and it's clear Apple has every intention of forcing everyone into iOS and ditching Mac OS completely. Just look at Big Sur's new interface and the features they touted.

I'm actually a RISC fanboy so ARM doesn't scare me, but unless the whole rest of the industry ditches Intel, this is a dumb mistake and users will suffer for it.
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I personally cannot see Tim Cook pulling off a famous Steve Jobs Bake-Off vs. Intel, but I hope I'm wrong.
I just don't see it in him. Jobs handed the company over, but that didn't include the Reality Distortion Field which went to the grave with him sadly.

I'm also not confident that the A-series chips will ever end up in a Mac Pro or that this Rosetta 2 will sufficiently keep Windows users around.

Maybe Tim Cook will handle this differently, but Jobs was hell bent on getting rid of PowerPC via Motorola and IBM very quickly for their lackluster chip design as far as heat control in laptops at the time. Jobs did NOT like losing in a Bake-Off against a rival not did he ever want to build a PowerBook G5 that melted the plastic or set you on fire.

But my Power Mac G5 still works and can play Quake 4 and Doom 3 quite well with an, inferior by today's standards, Radeon 9800, which could also fry an egg on it too. :D
 
usagora said:
Uh, Tim Cook literally said that (Intel being supported for years to come), so it's not a dream, it's a reality. Just because their new hardware will be transitioning to ARM doesn't mean they stop supporting the hardware that uses Intel. In fact, he even said they have new Intel Macs in the works.
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Junior117 said:
I'm excited about the Apple Silicon transition. I'm still absolutely terrified by it, though.

- Is it going to support Windows?
- Will Bootcamp still exist?
- Will the new Macs have the AMD (or possibly NVIDIA) GPUs on top of Apple's built-in GPUs?
- How good is the emulation? I'm pretty sure there will be hits in performance.
- (Yes yes, I understand that gaming on the Mac is a joke, but I still do it and it works fine for me) How will gaming on Windows in a VM (or Bootcamp, assuming that AMD GPUs will still be supplied in the Apple SoC Macs) work?

These are the questions that have been keeping me up at night for the past little while. I'd rather not be in a position where I'm carrying both a Mac and a Surface Book in my bag at the same time.
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Expect

Do you see adobe expending any extra coin on Binary 2 any longer than necessary? I bet major soft companies would drop intel support next year, as it was with PowerPC and latest G5 and Macmini releases, worst valuable macs ever
 
hungryghosty said:
Better box it up and send it back to Apple ;)

Just kidding....I'd assume they'll support Intel bsed Macs for the usual 7-8 years to be honest.
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Of course, Apple should do that unless they have enough courage to make Mac 2019 owner hit the ceiling after shell out ten thousand system for production. Owner of 2020 MBP might join forces too.
 
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