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WWDC Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Videos

Personally I'm really digging Leopard, the more I see of it.

The things I'm most looking forward to are Spaces, the new Finder (I personally like the idea of a sort of iTunes-like interface, using smart playlists/searches, cover flow, etc.), and I can definitely see making use of Stacks (heck, if Stacks was nothing but the "Downloads" stack it would be immensely useful to me).

The general performance improvements seem nice to me too. Right now I actually use Mac OS X 10.4 on a Power Mac G4 Cube, and I'm planning on getting a new MBP, so the leap between what I have now and an MBP with Leopard will be something pretty amazing to me...:)
 
elppa said:
This is a nonsense argument.

Anyone who develops an app will have far harder and more challenging tasks than swapping over a few custom widgets to fit in with a new look.

It could easily be done in a few weeks.
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it's not nonesense at all. You think every single developer is going to pay for their graphics designers to re-do all their graphics in time for the release of Leopard?

Sure it can be done over time but my point is, if Apple replace Aqua, by the time Leopard is out you'll have all these apps that are still aqua and i'm pretty sure Apple don't want that.

If it's no problem then why haven't they done it already?

Apple made their own bed by using all these custom elements in the first place and not providing them for devs, now they are in a position where most of the widgets are all custom, everyone has their own versions and cannot be replace system wide in one swoop.
 
As much as I I know that what's under the hood is going to be impressive every time I see a feature list one word always comes to mind: weak. Seriously. Two years and this is it?
Again as long as the under the hood stuff is quicker, better, faster I'll buy it, but features are not what is selling me on Leopard.
 
I have been messing around with leopard since yesterday.
At first i was little skeptical about the new operating system, so yesterday i embarked on a quest to find a copy of the beta. Installed it on a macpro
and the moment the operating system was installed and I was in the desktop
Every ounce of skepticism i had was automatically out the window.

It is simply amazing overall videos and pictures do no justice.
It runs perfectly fine on a macpro no errors so far and time machine is
simply wonderful to look at.
 
Masquerade said:
is for me or "alex" takes a breath after a punctuation?!
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Yes he does. I once took some random Dean Koontz book as a text file and ran it trough the Alex voice (with the 2006 WWDC build back then). It produced a 4 hour file (took about an hour to make...) that I put on my iPod and listened to in the car. It's absolutely great, barely any word that was pronounced wrong. The only annoying thing is, when you had a sentence, that was just "Yes.", is is a little too enthusiastic.

Example:
- So you have cancer?
- (all happy voice) YES!

Other than that it's great. The speech function can be very useful sometimes. And the new voice works well at triple speed, you can still understand everything clearly. Nice to proof read your documents :)
 
* The Secret of Stacks

irun5k said:
I'm pretty impressed with the speech capability in Leopard demonstrated in the video. Maybe it is just me but it seems like they improved it a lot.

Stacks, on the other hand, is killing me. I don't mind the grid that pops up, but the bit tall leaning stack looks just awful IMHO. The stack curves for no apparent reason, and it looks aesthetically horrible. I'm pretty sure any good graphic layout professional would have to agree.

If Apple didn't do such a normally solid job designing things, it wouldn't be any big deal. But stacks really stands out as a open sore on the desktop, IMHO. Maybe if they just made the stack perfectly vertical or something....
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The reason Stacks is " leaning " becomes self-evident through a bit of applied logic as to where Leopard will be heading tomorrow, rather than today.

Once more, look a bit more closely at a Stacks folder. Now, hold your hand up to the monitor.

Stacks lines up – perfectly – to the curve of your fingertips across the screen.

This is just one minor detail in Leopard which, right under the radar, points clearly to a :apple: Mac OS multitouch interface just around the corner.
 
Yup

ravenvii said:
Anyone noticed there's no transition between the desktop and FrontRow? That's jarring. I hope the final version will include a transition. Even a simple cross-fade would be better.
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I was gunna say the same thing. I won't lie, I like the current interface a little better. I just hope the new one has the same transition cause it is hot.
 
Hide dock???

Ok I know this is probably a dumb question, but I want it confirmed. Can you still auto-hide the dock and magnify it? I think I saw magnify in the keynote, but I haven't heard anything about auto-hiding.
 
MacFly123 said:
Ok I know this is probably a dumb question, but I want it confirmed. Can you still auto-hide the dock and magnify it? I think I saw magnify in the keynote, but I haven't heard anything about auto-hiding.
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Yes you can :)
 
Nooooooooo!!!

dartzorichalcos said:
The new screensavers look cool. I liked all the videos and just wish the Aqua scrollbars will be replaced with iTunes 7 scrollbars.
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Sorry but I HATE HATE HATE the iTunes 7 scroll bars, they are soo ugly. And I love the Aqua ones. I don't think it's just me either. I thought it was pretty common that people don't like that in iTunes 7. I hate them soo much i got a little program that puts them back to Aqua :)
 
Yup

himansk said:
I dont get why it said "You dont have any photos on your apple tv" when Photos was selected in the menu in front row
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Haha, I saw that too. They probably just copied the code or graphic. But then again I know nothing about programing ;)
 
quantumnetwork said:
The reason Stacks is " leaning " becomes self-evident through a bit of applied logic as to where Leopard will be heading tomorrow, rather than today.

Once more, look a bit more closely at a Stacks folder. Now, hold your hand up to the monitor.

Stacks lines up – perfectly – to the curve of your fingertips across the screen.

This is just one minor detail in Leopard which, right under the radar, points clearly to a :apple: Mac OS multitouch interface just around the corner.
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:rolleyes:

.1 Puma
.2 Jaguar
.3 Panther
.4 Tiger
.5 Leopard

PJPTL

Preparing Jobs for a Partial Transition to Lindows!!! OMG OMG!! :eek: :eek:

Seriously dude you read way to much into eye candy.
 
I agree!

mrchainsaw5757 said:
i dont know if i like the front row switch, its cool. but i enjoy the current one. also whats up with the weird antique sepia tone screen saver that bounces? i dont get it. other than that everything is sweet
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I don't like FrontRow 2 as much as the current one either. BUT, I know they are trying to make them coordinated which I can understand.
 
MacFly123 said:
I'm sorry but I've seen that program and I almost vomited when I saw it. That is the ugliest PC looking flat sick interface I have ever seen. I hate the iTunes 7 scroll bars soo much. I LOVE Aqua :)
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BTW, you can use UNO to have iTunes 7 with the traditional Aqua :)
 
quantumnetwork said:
The reason Stacks is " leaning " becomes self-evident through a bit of applied logic as to where Leopard will be heading tomorrow, rather than today.

Once more, look a bit more closely at a Stacks folder. Now, hold your hand up to the monitor.

Stacks lines up – perfectly – to the curve of your fingertips across the screen.

This is just one minor detail in Leopard which, right under the radar, points clearly to a :apple: Mac OS multitouch interface just around the corner.
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Without a doubt; is there ANY other reasons for Cover Flow to be in the Finder other than a future touch interface? I don't think so.
 
Lol

krissenbee said:
i second that.

i want it :(
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Sorry, I'm not trying to disagree alot but I think its way ugly. I like simple wallpapers. And I know its so Vista, but did anyone else want animated wallpapers??? I really did. You know on "The Island" the guys desk with a smooth flowing white wallpaper??? That is HOT! :) I would love Apple's blue wallpaper to have some smooth movement to it like that...
 
psychofreak said:
If it didn't jerk, it wouldn't be a screensaver, although we don't really need them nowadays...
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I used to think the same thing, but actually they are needed. Every one of our (latest model) Apple Cinema Displays at work has the menu bar burned into it. These machines even have screensavers active, but with a long delay, and they're in use maybe 10 hours per day anyway.
 
Matthew Yohe said:
Spotlight IS just that fast on many many GB of data.

Also, regarding the front row 2 :)apple: TV) transition, or lack thereof... It doesn't look like the Snapz recording software is recording some core animation things... There is a fade out and in to get to the new front row.
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UGH, it better not just be a fade. The transition on the 1st one is soo much cooler. They better keep that
 
HiRez said:
I used to think the same thing, but actually they are needed. Every one of our (latest model) Apple Cinema Displays at work has the menu bar burned into it. These machines even have screensavers active, but with a long delay, and they're in use maybe 10 hours per day anyway.
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Menufela (although pretty useless with a large ACD) has given me so much space on my 13.3" macbook that I can't lice without it...and no burn in!

As I use so many keyboard shortcuts, I hardly need the menubar anyway...
 
MacFly123 said:
I'm sorry but I've seen that program and I almost vomited when I saw it. That is the ugliest PC looking flat sick interface I have ever seen. I hate the iTunes 7 scroll bars soo much. I LOVE Aqua :)
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:D same here. itunes7=horrible UI

I think the best solution for 10.5 would be to use the aqua graphite controls by default. I do, and when looking back at the pics of people using the default "aqua blue"...it is too bubbly and vista-ish now [in reverse, but hopefully you get my point].

on the other hand, the graphite aqua scrollbars make a huge difference and don't look outdated or bad at all, at least I don't think. I'd love to see them be the default in 10.5
 
HiRez said:
I used to think the same thing, but actually they are needed. Every one of our (latest model) Apple Cinema Displays at work has the menu bar burned into it. These machines even have screensavers active, but with a long delay, and they're in use maybe 10 hours per day anyway.
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Same here. The disadvantage of an always-on-top menu bar.

On one monitor (my G5 iMac Ambient Light Sensor) has/had (it may have faded now) the Adobe GoLive toolbar burned into it... from when I still used GoLive as my IDE.

tribulation said:
:D same here. itunes7=horrible UI

I think the best solution for 10.5 would be to use the aqua graphite controls by default. I do, and when looking back at the pics of people using the default "aqua blue"...it is too bubbly and vista-ish now [in reverse, but hopefully you get my point].

on the other hand, the graphite aqua scrollbars make a huge difference and don't look outdated or bad at all, at least I don't think. I'd love to see them be the default in 10.5
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I disagree with you on the iTunes 7 UI. I dislike a few things about the iTunes 7 UI, but they have little to do with the look and feel. I think that iTunes 7 scroll bars would look better in Leopard than Aqua bars. Why? Aqua bars are bubbly, and fit well with the old Aqua (which was, for the most part, itself bubbly, what with pinstripes, brushed metal, etc.)

This bubbly appearance does not look as nice, however, on the more flat appearance of Leopard's windows.

However, as for iTunes 7's scroll bars... maybe I'm just overly picky, but I don't like that the edges around the scroll bars don't appear quite right. Though technically, most likely correct, the scroll bar looks to the naked eye to be about a pixel off. I hope Apple fixes this, but as it has been in iTunes ever since 7.0, I'm not holding my breath.
 
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