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Stacks, on the other hand, is killing me. I don't mind the grid that pops up, but the bit tall leaning stack looks just awful IMHO. The stack curves for no apparent reason, and it looks aesthetically horrible. I'm pretty sure any good graphic layout professional would have to agree.

If Apple didn't do such a normally solid job designing things, it wouldn't be any big deal. But stacks really stands out as a open sore on the desktop, IMHO. Maybe if they just made the stack perfectly vertical or something....

I think the curve is genius! Let me explain, if you are using your mouse (Mighty Mouse for us fanboys) and keep your hand stationary and just move your fingers....it is easier to move in the curve they have designed than in a straight line. And even if you move your whole hand, your arm is already angled to the side and so a curve/angle movement is natural. Even on a trackpad, if you move your finger in the most natural way it is a curve....straight makes you have to "lunge" your finger and hand forward. This just goes to prove that Apple has thought of everything....now the question is do the stacks curve to the left when the computer is put in left handed mode? This is just my humble opinion (and my first post, lol), so feel free to correct me if you think otherwise.

-Andrew
 
I'm almost "blown away" now that I'm using it....

A lot of people walked away from the WWDC keynote saying just what you are... Lots of "eye candy" that's questionably needed, and not enough "killer new features" to justify the wait until October and cost of a new upgrade.

I wasn't quite sure myself, but as I find out more and more details, AND am actually playing with the beta on a Macbook Pro right now - I'm FAR more impressed.

I remember thinking the same thing when we went from 10.3 to 10.4. Didn't seem like Tiger was "that big a deal" to me. Spotlight and Dashboard sounded like stuff you could do anyway with 3rd. party products, more or less.

As we all learned though, the "under the hood" improvements and changes made Tiger a "must have" for many people, as applications started taking advantage of what was there.

Some of this stuff, like Coverflow and Quickview, works so nicely in reality, that you'll start wondering how you ever lived without them. The ability to browse the contents of some new folder of stuff you just uncompressed, and to slap spacebar on anything you need to read or view is great!

I'm noticing a lot of little details that are cool too, but have gone pretty much unmentioned so far. Typical Apple style, tweaking the details for you to discover the more you use the OS.... For example, whenever I type a word in Spotlight, along with the matching searches for files and folders, it also brings up a dictionary and thesaurus entry for the word.

And at least for me, Time Machine is great for my laptop backups. I simply bring along a small USB or firewire, bus-powered portable hard drive and designate it as the Time Machine backup device. You're going to have to attach your notebook computer to *something* in order to get a good backup of it ... Time Machine just makes the process much more painless than the other alternatives.


Am I the only one who's not really blown away by anything in Leopard? Sure there's some cool things, but they mosly just seem random and more decorative than useful...like they exist because Jobs said "Hey guys, we need new stuff to show" more than for a reason of true need.

Time Machine probably seems like the most useful thing to me, but I use a laptop 75% of the time, and in multiple locations. How useful is that going to be since it requires an external drive to work? Kind of kills the whole portable advantage.

It's strange, six months ago I was knocking on the iPhone as all flash and no substance and looking forward to Leopard. Now, I'm barely interested in Leopard and the more I see of the iPhone, the more useful it looks.
 
Can someone comment on whether or not the new Front Row has a Play All or Shuffle feature in the TV Shows or Movies sections? I would like to be able to play one after another without returning to the menu, particularly as I have mostly 5-8 minute cartoons in my library.
 
OMG, you are A Genius!!

Someone smart wrote:

"Stacks, on the other hand, is killing me. I don't mind the grid that pops up, but the bit tall leaning stack looks just awful IMHO. The stack curves for no apparent reason, and it looks aesthetically horrible. I'm pretty sure any good graphic layout professional would have to agree."

Yes, because Apple hires, nor consults with, ANY good graphic layout professinals!!??!! Hi, I'm Earth, glad to meet ya!
 
wallpaper!

dude that wallpaper in the vids was amazing! does that come with Leopard, or can some1 post a link for it???

cz
 
Am I the only one who's not really blown away by anything in Leopard? Sure there's some cool things, but they mosly just seem random and more decorative than useful...like they exist because Jobs said "Hey guys, we need new stuff to show" more than for a reason of true need.

Time Machine probably seems like the most useful thing to me, but I use a laptop 75% of the time, and in multiple locations. How useful is that going to be since it requires an external drive to work? Kind of kills the whole portable advantage.

It's strange, six months ago I was knocking on the iPhone as all flash and no substance and looking forward to Leopard. Now, I'm barely interested in Leopard and the more I see of the iPhone, the more useful it looks.

Yeah, you're the only one. :) Seriously, how can you not see quicklook as one of the most incredibly powerful things an OS has ever had? I mean jeez, first off, coverflow lets you basically flip through docs visually, and if that's not enough, press the spacebar and the doc opens up without launching an app or anything! You can flip through pages of word or excel docs, or view libraries or folders of pictures! That's power using my friend. Don't you get sick of highlighting a bunch of icons and double clicking on them just to have them open in a bunch of windows in a bunch of apps, just so you can try and figure out what they are, or what version they are, or if you want to keep them or what.

And then of course time machine is useful, but it's just Apple putting more small companies out of business just like Sherlock or Widgets. Any company making a backup utility for the mac is screwed about now. But I like it nonetheless.
 
Agree

I'm pretty impressed with the speech capability in Leopard demonstrated in the video. Maybe it is just me but it seems like they improved it a lot.

Stacks, on the other hand, is killing me. I don't mind the grid that pops up, but the bit tall leaning stack looks just awful IMHO. The stack curves for no apparent reason, and it looks aesthetically horrible. I'm pretty sure any good graphic layout professional would have to agree.

If Apple didn't do such a normally solid job designing things, it wouldn't be any big deal. But stacks really stands out as a open sore on the desktop, IMHO. Maybe if they just made the stack perfectly vertical or something....

That was my initial thought about the vertical expanding too... :) But I guess I'm getting use to it.
 
You can't

if u dont like the vertical stack use the grid, its that simple
IMO i dont care if the stack went into an arch lol, ill still use it

I'm pretty sure you can't choose which one you want. Its just that when it gets past a certain number of files like 5 or 6 or whatever it is, it automatically expands in the grid instead of the leaning tower :)
 
Add???

Like a lot of things in life, the GUI is like a pendulum. They swung so far one way with the miniscule elements calling attention to themselves (like the Aqua scrollbars), that they're swinging back the other way, possibly making them all flat like iTunes, more utilitarian and practical. Kind of like the GUI of the pro apps, just plain grays that let you focus on the task at hand.

Leave the excessive eye candy to Vista. Mac OS has been there, done that. It was fun while it lasted, but it's time to move on.

I'm sorry but I must defend Aqua. I LOVE Aqua.... Why would you want ugly GUI elements?? Leave eye candy to Vista??? LOL Apple is KING of beautiful design... and if you can't focus on something because the GUI is beautiful you should take care of your ADD :)
 
Thank You

I am hoping for the current aqua bars or something entirely new. but definitely not the itunes ones. i have hated the itunes 7 ones ever since i first looked at it. i honestly thought i downloaded a beta the first time i saw it because of them. i thought they forgot to update a resource.

the itunes bars are so flat. flat to the point of total ugliness in my opinion.

AMEN and AMEN!!!! Finally someone with taste ;)
 
???

I love it. It has advantages for me (screen sharing being a major one, and I love the look).

It has advantages for my grandad (resolution independence and heavier shadows being the major ones)

It does have resolution independence??? I thought that got the axe!
 
Yep

I was hoping to see a vid of Time Machine. I keep hearing you need an external drive for TM...this surely isn't the case for those of us with a Mac Pro. I've been reserving a drive bay specifically for Time Machine.

You can select an internal drive, or external plugged in or wireless. :)
 
Yeah, you're the only one. :) Seriously, how can you not see quicklook as one of the most incredibly powerful things an OS has ever had? I mean jeez, first off, coverflow lets you basically flip through docs visually, and if that's not enough, press the spacebar and the doc opens up without launching an app or anything! You can flip through pages of word or excel docs, or view libraries or folders of pictures! That's power using my friend. Don't you get sick of highlighting a bunch of icons and double clicking on them just to have them open in a bunch of windows in a bunch of apps, just so you can try and figure out what they are, or what version they are, or if you want to keep them or what.

And then of course time machine is useful, but it's just Apple putting more small companies out of business just like Sherlock or Widgets. Any company making a backup utility for the mac is screwed about now. But I like it nonetheless.

Quick look is nothing more then a preview app that most OS's, including Windows, has had for years. Heck vista has it integrated into the File Browser...no extra windows to manage. And have you confirmed that it supports Word and Excel docs? My money is that it's going to be about as robust as textedit for previewing Word Docs.

Time machine is nice, yet as someone else has stated pretty useless for laptops unless you want to bring an external HD with you where ever you go. An alternative would be just to be careful with your files.

Sorry but many of the features are good, but nothing outstanding.


I'm sorry but I must defend Aqua. I LOVE Aqua.... Why would you want ugly GUI elements?? Leave eye candy to Vista??? LOL Apple is KING of beautiful design... and if you can't focus on something because the GUI is beautiful you should take care of your ADD :)

50 years from now if Apple is still using Aqua you will be still satisfied? Aqua is boring. They have hung onto that design for WAY too long. Time for something new.
 
You can't. There's a hack (http://www.manytricks.com/blog/?id=10) but it doesn't work well with Spaces. Currently, your best bet is to create a desktop picture with a white stripe on the top.

That is a great idea. I will do that rather than a hack. Although someone at the conference did confirm to be able to turn it off.

The new fade in transition of the :apple: TV front row is not as pruty as the front row 1 rotating icons.
 
50 years from now if Apple is still using Aqua you will be still satisfied? Aqua is boring. They have hung onto that design for WAY too long. Time for something new.

I know it is stupid, but I am a very visual person so Aqua was one of the things that most attracted me to Macs, of course the ease of use, stability, cool apps, and many other reasons, but I have only been a Mac fan for a couple years, so I still love it. And if there were something new, ok fine, but PLEASE PLEASE not the ugly, horrible, disgusting iTunes 7 scrollbars... WHy don't they just make it Windows XP if that is the case... SERIOUSLY, that's how ugly it is.
 
ok

That is a great idea. I will do that rather than a hack. Although someone at the conference did confirm to be able to turn it off.

The new fade in transition of the :apple: TV front row is not as pruty as the front row 1 rotating icons.

Ok, if they don't do the rotating icons from FrontRow 1 because of the new icon layout, then why not make it consistent??? Time Machine has the desktop fall down, why not have the desktop slide up and the interface zooms in from the black for FrontRow 2 or something like that??? Anything but a fade!!! That just seems so Windows and boring. People are wowed with front row, and a simple fade will definitely not get the wow anymore. :(
 
More Windows integration?

I've noticed a lack of info about further integrating OS X into Windows environments (and no, that doesn't include Boot Camp.) What I want to know about Leopard is whether or not it still insists on littering network shares with those horrible, invisible ._ files. I'm currently overseeing the process of integrating Macs into a Windows network that those @#$%&* files have become the bane of my existence. If Leopard does away with all that, I will be able to talk my supervisor into upgrading the Macs to Leopard the first day it's out. Also, I would be interested in what changes have been made to the AD plug-in for Directory Access and whether or not Address Book/Mail can finally synch with an Exchange server.
 
Do you think we could get another iPhone thread? :confused:























......but seriously
might have to start saving my pennies to get a imac (since I could take notes on my iphone in class and it could be my "minilaptop") when leopard is on it! I can't wait to start using it. apple once again showing why its ontop.
 
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