WWDC: New LCD Displays

[obiwan]

Apple doesn't think sometime. Why would they bring these displays out and not even have them ready. So if someone buys a new G5 they have to wait for the display. At least sell the older ones until the new ones are ready.

The Old 17" is still selling at the UK Apple Store

 

[FFTT]

I think the folks at Apple done good!

They seemed to hear our voices regarding many issues and the media center idea has become a reality, so I'm pleased.

Yes, my dream system now went to $7000, but by the time I've saved enough or sold my children things may be a bit better.

At least Apple is going in the right direction.





BTW, those trying to save a few bucks might look at LG Electronics

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Where are the G5 imacs? People would want that more then new displays right? These are cool but the imac needed a new look and procesr more then the displays

ALas, we are left with "old tech", while the eMac gets "new tech"....

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

I agree but then it would be almost a year before an update for a computer that is way to long. I think it will be around september

Needs to be sooner IMHO.

 

[ITR 81]

30inch display here I come.

I just bought a 42inch plasma for my biz, but I will need a 30inch display by yr end..so might as well make it a Apple display...I hope the new 3Ghz G5's are out by then.

I've already ordered my 2.5Ghz G5 for my biz.

Apple needs to make a Plasma display TV/Mac/PC verison.

If I ever get my design studio off the ground I may order a couple of 23 and 30inchers.

 

[erik1665]

How will the new 23" disaply work with a regular (single DVI)

I'm a little confused about the dual DVI card needed for the 30". I realize that it only needs one connector on the card (I guess it uses another set of pins?).

I see that a single DVI type connector can only drive a monitor at 1600x1200, so how does the new or old 23" monitor that supports 1920x1200 work with the single DVI type connector like the ATI 9800.

I currently own the ADC (old) 23" and the ATI 9800 so I can say it does work, but I am wonder how it works?

Thanks

 

[letterbox]

old displays, no more

I just talked with an apple rep on the phone, all old 20 and 23 inch displays are going to be pulled from the supply chain and will no longer be for sale. They don't have information right now for pricing on them if you can find them, which I'm sure you will be able to do for a bit longer...I would think.

 

[kingslod]

Backwards and on the cheap...

Apple truly needs to have either a G4 tower again with PCI so I can add the 699 17 inch and have a nice ~2200 solution

Why does Apple need to make old machines? Why can't you just buy used?

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

[squint] porbably the same people who complain that newspaper print is getting smaller and smaller... [\squint]

seriously though, I have been using 1600x1200 on a 20" CRT (smaller than 20"lcd) for a while without problems...

I have the PB 12' rev. b, and for the most part no real problems. But if I am getting a bigger monitor, i am not willing to "suffer through the minor resolution' issues.

 

[letterbox]

I'm a little confused about the dual DVI card needed for the 30". I realize that it only needs one connector on the card (I guess it uses another set of pins?).

I see that a single DVI type connector can only drive a monitor at 1600x1200, so how does the new or old 23" monitor that supports 1920x1200 work with the single DVI type connector like the ATI 9800.

I currently own the ADC (old) 23" and the ATI 9800 so I can say it does work, but I am wonder how it works?

The "old" style apple displays run/ran on ADC, which probably (?) supports higher resolution than dvi. That would seem like a reasonable explanation to me.

 

[crees!]

So you want a new display eh?

Well I'm going to get a job. Those who work, work overtime. Those who don't have a job.. quit complaining. End of discussion.

 

[Capt Underpants]

Apple truly needs to have either a G4 tower again with PCI so I can add the 699 17 inch and have a nice ~2200 solution ormanage to get a betetr price point for the monitor lineup.

Apple has the G4 tower. They're still selling them! Scroll down on the Apple Store page and you'll see the tiny picture of them.... And if you're going to buy one, hurry, because they're only while supplies last, AFAIK.

 

[warcraftmaster]

I can't believe the prices.
I guess I will buy a Sony or Viewsonic monitor before I will pay those prices plus the damn video card. To bad I was looking forward to a new Apple monitor. And besides I'm not that impressed with the look.

what is all of your guys problems gzzzzzz look at this 23 by sony http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...s&CategoryName=cpu_Displays_FlatPanelLCDs_20" wow you save 400 doller it was 3000$
and this one looks almost like apples http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=295470&pfp=BROWSE its a 24 and wide sreen and its just 5000$ i guss it just me who thinks apple rocks at prices am all alone

 

[jackc]

How much was the 23" and 20" before this update? Why don't any Mac sites put up a comparison when new products come out, for those of us who don't have the product line memorized?

 

[daveg5]

2 VS 1

Isn't two 23" displays (3940X1200) better than 1 30"(2560X1600) and you keep your pci slots.
For the same $4000? or better yet 2 20"3300X1050 displays for $2500 seems to be the best seal unless you must edit HD.
Or even better 2 22" super-bright CRT Lacie-Nec-Sony (4096X1536) for$1100 or just 1 at (2048X1536) for $550 with better viewing angle, no dead pixels faster response time, true blacks ,.24 dot pitch, more durable screen, longer warranty.
of course much larger, hotter, more radiation, not as much contrast or brightness.
decisions - decisions???

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Obvious trolling. Apple has no reason to release anything on this date (a developer conference!)--they can choose next week or whenever the time is right. Why does Apple owe you a G5 iMac you won't buy today vs. any other day? Because some rumor site told you 6/28 was Apple's only choice and you believed it?

And counter trolling....

the only reason to release today as opposed to any other day is that the world is watching. For some, the money is there today for the new iMac G5. If the wait a month or two, some may find other places for their money (and it might not be Apple).

The fact is that Apple indicated their plans by updating the eMac first. Those of us that are solidly in the Mac camp will probably wait for the iMac G5, or buy the PM G5. There are those of us that see the bigger picture. The G5 iMac would have been a great addition for us, but we are also looking towards those that are buying their first Mac.

They will probably not want the CRT based eMac. And they look at how overpriced the current iMac's are compared to the eMac's; and they take their computer dollars else where. For the PM G5's are too expensive for them.

 

[army_guy]

A 30" panel with a 16ms response time, I doubt this as manufacturers are strugling to get 20" panels with that. Until panels reach 10ms and below will LCDs avoid the bluring, smearing and ghosting problems which have plagued every single panel i have seen above 19". These will be great displays for running VLSI design tools like DUAL 30" would be great. For workstations and desktops they will be fine and for the gamer I will always have a CRT beside the LCD until one can get that magic 10ms.

 

[TheWama]

Personally, I HATED the old style displays.
But the new are very appealing.
Forget Dell, these are Bauhaus.

As for pricing, the 23" and 30" is a bargain compared to prices from Dell (who doesn't carry a 30" monitor).

 

[kingslod]

Typing stupid messages on the web and in chat must really require some high end hardware huh....

Hey Alex,

Calm down there buddy.

I'm actually looking forward to getting a new 23! And maybe a dual 2.0...

David (formerly with lbmca-west)

 

[daveg5]

Why does Apple need to make old machines? Why can't you just buy used?

Apple supposedly makes a huge profit on the old G4's, so they will keep selling them to those who need OS9 booting, as the dual 1.8 is only $200 dollars more with superdrive. the picture in their store is just as big as all the other product pictures.
the duals were actually faster than the single G5's at a lot of things, however Apple no longer sells the single G5's which make the dual G4's less attractive, also the Dual G4's have not upgraded to the 1.4-1.5 G4's as the powerbooks and some upgrade manufactures have. (Powerlogix-Giga design)

 

[MacKenzie999]

...I just wish Apple sold some aluminum speakers that sat on the side of the monitors. That would be kick A$$.

I believe Bose makes a desktop speaker system that looks very compatible with the current design of the g5's and new monitors. I haven't seen 'em up close but online they looked quite similar.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

then go get those viewsonics.

apple's not "forcing" you to spend your money. it's your choice. just because one company makes such and such doesn't mean apple has to. apple has reasons for its product offerings and prices and so do all other companies. if apple doesn't offer what you want, don't buy apple's stuff.

and people screamed bloody murder when iPod Mini came out. "geez, what kind of idiot would spend $250 on a 4 GB mp3 player when you can get a rio 20 GB for $50 more?!" well, apparently, a lot of people.

Nice smokescreen argument. As far as I can tell the monitors don't offer much more than what others are offering. No extra value or ease of use. unlike the iPods that had ease of use and unique value compared to the others. The only advantage that I see to the 20" is for us PB users is the extra FW400 port (and maybe the extra USB 2.0 port).

 

[army_guy]

The resolution of the 30" is low considering there are 1920x1200 15.4" panels like my DELL laptop. I would of prefered something abit higher like 3500-4000 etc.

 

[army_guy]

Personally, I HATED the old style displays.
But the new are very appealing.
Forget Dell, these are Bauhaus.

As for pricing, the 23" and 30" is a bargain compared to prices from Dell (who doesn't carry a 30" monitor).

But DELL has the 19" with the awsome response time, theres only slight ghosting compared to the apple lcds.

 

[cr2sh]

For the same $4000 for $2500 for $1100 or for $550

You sound like someone who concerned about price.

Those who buy the 30" want the best, and some combo / side-by-side, bezel down the middle, cheaper answer.. isn't going to cut it.

You've argued price.. not an issue to those people.
You've argued lcd/crt, that issue regards all lcds vs. crts, so not really valid here.

The guys who come here a lot kinda knew this was coming, what we didn't know about was the video card and the added $600. Not the best execution.. but whatever, its top of the food chain over here.