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WWDC - No iMacs, but Yes Displays?
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bertagert said:
He may not design it himself but he will keep rejecting designs until the designers make something that Steve likes. Just like he did for the LCD iMacs.
I have just ordered a dual 2.5 and 17".
Just wondering, if apple does go away from ADC.....no one is going to bother making adc video cards anymore are they........so i would be stuck with whatever videocards are available now, and would not be able to upgrade without getting a new display.....hmmmm
Just wondering, if apple does go away from ADC.....no one is going to bother making adc video cards anymore are they........so i would be stuck with whatever videocards are available now, and would not be able to upgrade without getting a new display.....hmmmm
Steve does made the decision on the design
Steve may not be the engineer, but he directs the direction of which the designers go. Remember the "sunflower" story of the iMac? Read any biography of Steve and you'll see the design is everything to him. Read about his NeXt days after he was booted from apple. His NeXt logo went through countless designs and steve was a tyrant. Same with the NeXt hardware design. He made the final decision on the color of the paint inside the hardware. He takes it personally and wants and has his hand in it. Not that its a bad thing, I love a beautifully designed computer. My point is just that Steve doesn't just run the business side, he has a lot more say in the desing direction than you may think. Heck, his name is actually even on many of the patents with Ives if you look at them.
bertagert said:
Steve may not be the engineer, but he directs the direction of which the designers go. Remember the "sunflower" story of the iMac? Read any biography of Steve and you'll see the design is everything to him. Read about his NeXt days after he was booted from apple. His NeXt logo went through countless designs and steve was a tyrant. Same with the NeXt hardware design. He made the final decision on the color of the paint inside the hardware. He takes it personally and wants and has his hand in it. Not that its a bad thing, I love a beautifully designed computer. My point is just that Steve doesn't just run the business side, he has a lot more say in the desing direction than you may think. Heck, his name is actually even on many of the patents with Ives if you look at them.
aussiemac86 said:
Dvi-adc adapter anyone? There is absouloutly nothing wrong with apple's switch to dvi. Adc was a stupid idea.
As far as the imacs go, history tells us that pbs have always had a better clock than imacs. A g5 pb isn't happening soon so the imac will go to 1.5 ghz then the pbs go to g5s and then we finally see g5 imacs.
It's Paris, baby!!!!
France. Not Hilton. G5 iMac's announced in gay Pa-REE!!! here's how it'll go down...
Stevie is introduced as "STEPHAN" as he takes the stage in Paris Aug 31st. Clad in trademark black shirt (but with thick ribbed turtleneck that the Parisians go ga-ga over) and Jeans. A look that Derrick Zoolander would call "Derelicte".
Lights dim...
He launches into 20 minutes of boring rehash of progress we all already know the company has made (OS X adoption, iPod's installed base and last quarter's sales, yada, yada, yada)...
Get's heckled in French ("TROIS point OHH", "TROIS point OHH", "TROIS point OHH") when he comments on recent PowerMac upgrades...plus heckling in English by a few "Freedom Fry" loving "stinking Amehri-cahns" i.e. "Yanks".
And then he pops the question...
"What do Quentin Taratino, France, and McDonald's have in common?"
"Answer: Le Royale with Cheese"
"Now after today, what does APPLE, France, and the rest of the world have in common?"
"No it's not the iTumes Music Store. It's...
LeMac Royale. But there's no cheese here!" (cue sly Jobsian grin)
(Cue the music "Stuck in the middle with you". Out pops a LeMac Royale (redesigned G5 iMac replacement) from a rising pedestal in the floor as Ive and the design team come on stage and dance to the music (all of them still having both ears however)).
Ive presents the new LeMac Royale design, explaining that the previous iMac Sunflower design, while good looking, was "gimpy" due to the now woefully underpowered G4 and the lack of expansion. And he explained how he motivated his design team, suggesting that if they didn't come up with something "insanely great" that he'd "get medieval on their a%%es."
After some Ivesian spieling, Jobs takes over again, thanking Ives for his "bloody good" work while secretly fantasizing again about Sheryl Crow. (didn't anybody think there was something going on there?)
Jobs goes on to introduce some new, cool, yet underwhleming peripheral products all priced from $79-99. And he introduces Michael Moore as the next board member of Apple Computer, replacing Al Gore -- whose 15 minutes have already expired. (Justification: all of Farenheit 9/11 was produced on Mac hardware and software. Go FCP!!!)
And then as Jobs heads out and the lights dim, a larger than life face-shot of Samuel L Jackson fills the screen behind him. Jobs strikes his "Magnum" pose and begins to quote Ezekiel 25:17 ..."The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. (cough--Bill Gates--cough) Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. (Meeeee!) For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers."
...and for those who stay for the credits, a special clip of "The Invicibles" plays for those still in their seat/logged on - featuring Bill Gates as the evil villain, taking a licking from...you guessed it...Samuel L Jackson's "Frozone".
And GOODNIGHT from Paris!
France. Not Hilton. G5 iMac's announced in gay Pa-REE!!! here's how it'll go down...
Stevie is introduced as "STEPHAN" as he takes the stage in Paris Aug 31st. Clad in trademark black shirt (but with thick ribbed turtleneck that the Parisians go ga-ga over) and Jeans. A look that Derrick Zoolander would call "Derelicte".
Lights dim...
He launches into 20 minutes of boring rehash of progress we all already know the company has made (OS X adoption, iPod's installed base and last quarter's sales, yada, yada, yada)...
Get's heckled in French ("TROIS point OHH", "TROIS point OHH", "TROIS point OHH") when he comments on recent PowerMac upgrades...plus heckling in English by a few "Freedom Fry" loving "stinking Amehri-cahns" i.e. "Yanks".
And then he pops the question...
"What do Quentin Taratino, France, and McDonald's have in common?"
"Answer: Le Royale with Cheese"
"Now after today, what does APPLE, France, and the rest of the world have in common?"
"No it's not the iTumes Music Store. It's...
LeMac Royale. But there's no cheese here!" (cue sly Jobsian grin)
(Cue the music "Stuck in the middle with you". Out pops a LeMac Royale (redesigned G5 iMac replacement) from a rising pedestal in the floor as Ive and the design team come on stage and dance to the music (all of them still having both ears however)).
Ive presents the new LeMac Royale design, explaining that the previous iMac Sunflower design, while good looking, was "gimpy" due to the now woefully underpowered G4 and the lack of expansion. And he explained how he motivated his design team, suggesting that if they didn't come up with something "insanely great" that he'd "get medieval on their a%%es."
After some Ivesian spieling, Jobs takes over again, thanking Ives for his "bloody good" work while secretly fantasizing again about Sheryl Crow. (didn't anybody think there was something going on there?)
Jobs goes on to introduce some new, cool, yet underwhleming peripheral products all priced from $79-99. And he introduces Michael Moore as the next board member of Apple Computer, replacing Al Gore -- whose 15 minutes have already expired. (Justification: all of Farenheit 9/11 was produced on Mac hardware and software. Go FCP!!!)
And then as Jobs heads out and the lights dim, a larger than life face-shot of Samuel L Jackson fills the screen behind him. Jobs strikes his "Magnum" pose and begins to quote Ezekiel 25:17 ..."The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. (cough--Bill Gates--cough) Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. (Meeeee!) For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers."
...and for those who stay for the credits, a special clip of "The Invicibles" plays for those still in their seat/logged on - featuring Bill Gates as the evil villain, taking a licking from...you guessed it...Samuel L Jackson's "Frozone".
And GOODNIGHT from Paris!
This is madness. Sure it is a 'developers' conference but that doesn't usually stop Steve from showing off new products becuase he nows a large portion of the Apple community will be watching. As for new iMac's, who knows?
No one does. Some people just think they do.
We all should have learn't by now that Apple is one of the best when it comes to secret keeping, especially new products or major revisions. If we get more then the promised preview of Tiger (which we most likely will) then i'll be happy. Don't forget what Steve said in his Macworld '04 keynote, something along the lines of "we have some big products coming your way this year to celebrate the Mac birthday".
I'm just waiting out till monday, Apple knows its holding the cards here and is playing them close. Whatever happens, it'll be interesting.
No one does. Some people just think they do.
We all should have learn't by now that Apple is one of the best when it comes to secret keeping, especially new products or major revisions. If we get more then the promised preview of Tiger (which we most likely will) then i'll be happy. Don't forget what Steve said in his Macworld '04 keynote, something along the lines of "we have some big products coming your way this year to celebrate the Mac birthday".
I'm just waiting out till monday, Apple knows its holding the cards here and is playing them close. Whatever happens, it'll be interesting.
Travis Novak said:
Agreed. Well, not necessarily "stupid", but the marginal improvement in usability just isn't worth the incompatibility with the rest of the world.
Because they could. If Apple can make a G5 iMac today, there's just no way they'd sit on it for 6 months (remember, they've said no G5 PBs before the end of the year) in order to satisfy some self-imposed rule that the Powerbooks have to be faster.
PRØBE said:What is it about this word that's so damn hard to spell?
Are you all doing this just to annoy me?
(Sorry but I always get pre-potential product announcement "loose" intolerance syndrome) Must be all the excitement.
By the way, it's L O S E!
Rant over
Geeze (slang) youse (slang) gotta (slang) "get a life" (cliche)
Fast typing between important paid work at the office means I don't spend much time checking my spelling and grammar...
Know this, words are symbols for ideas and concepts. If the meaning is gained then they have served their purpose. This is meant to be a fun place to post, not somewhere I need to stress about my use of langauge...
I've always had a problem with loose, lose, choose and chose. Is there a rule I could memorize? Like two "S"s in dessert because you want two?PRØBE said:What is it about this word that's so damn hard to spell?
Are you all doing this just to annoy me?
(Sorry but I always get pre-potential product announcement "loose" intolerance syndrome) Must be all the excitement.
By the way, it's L O S E!
Rant over
Here is what I was hoping for....
1) Dual 3.0ghz with the new 980 chip
2) Included bluetooth and extreme plus bluetooth keyboard and mouse
3) New 20" Display with xxx brightness and 600:1 Contrast
THIS IS THE SYSTEM!
I thought it would be NOW... probably Sept. (or later if IBM can't make the chips)
Here is an article about the Power 5 Benchmarks:
http://www.enterpriseitplanet.com/networking/news/article.php/3365471
-mike
1) Dual 3.0ghz with the new 980 chip
2) Included bluetooth and extreme plus bluetooth keyboard and mouse
3) New 20" Display with xxx brightness and 600:1 Contrast
THIS IS THE SYSTEM!
I thought it would be NOW... probably Sept. (or later if IBM can't make the chips)
Here is an article about the Power 5 Benchmarks:
http://www.enterpriseitplanet.com/networking/news/article.php/3365471
-mike
In all honesty, I don't know who to believe. I know that iMac updates will happen. Maybe not at WWDC, but soon after. I hope that Apple introduces a new single processor G5 headless to go along with the new aluminum displays. Of course, i want a new display to go with my Powerbook.
Tiger is sure to be awesome. As many have said before, the broadcast probably isn't live because of stability issues. That's a good thing for Apple. They don't want to be under pressure, praying that nothing crashes at the conference during the keynote.
By the way, bob_the_gorilla, your keys are on the table in your dining room. To all of those people that have corrected other on their spelling I have just one more thing to say:
GeT A LiFeZoRrZz. ChillZorZ OutZoRzzzz. DoN't LOOSE yOuR CEWL....
Tiger is sure to be awesome. As many have said before, the broadcast probably isn't live because of stability issues. That's a good thing for Apple. They don't want to be under pressure, praying that nothing crashes at the conference during the keynote.
By the way, bob_the_gorilla, your keys are on the table in your dining room
. To all of those people that have corrected other on their spelling I have just one more thing to say:GeT A LiFeZoRrZz. ChillZorZ OutZoRzzzz. DoN't LOOSE yOuR CEWL....
Because they could. If Apple can make a G5 iMac today, there's just no way they'd sit on it for 6 months (remember, they've said no G5 PBs before the end of the year) in order to satisfy some self-imposed rule that the Powerbooks have to be faster.[/QUOTE]
But it makes sense to first update the pro computers, pms and pbs, then the consumer computers, imacs and ibooks. Besides this pizza box thing dosen't sound like it's going to be any easier to fit a g5 into.
But it makes sense to first update the pro computers, pms and pbs, then the consumer computers, imacs and ibooks. Besides this pizza box thing dosen't sound like it's going to be any easier to fit a g5 into.
He doesn't design. He tells the designers what he wants and accepts their work only when he likes it. So the design reflects his vision. He's certainly a "hands-on" guy. After all, his hands are on the keyboards for all these keynote demonstrations.bertagert said:
zedwards said:
Yeah, really. Oh wait... The original iMac was introduced at... wait for it... WWDC.
For the record, I find ThinkSecret to be the gold standard when it comes to rumor accuracy and getting inside dirt (MacRumors second! )
But, to echo what someone else said, the minute I read their no-iMac article, it REALLY struck me how un-ThinkSecret the tone was. Maybe it was a new or guest writer, maybe the writer was stoned, I don't know. But something really doesn't click.
A conspiracy theorist would argue that Steve Jobs wrote the decoy article to play with us, and forced ThinkSecret to go along with it so they didn't take any legal action against them for posting those display renderings (for which they got in trouble with their ISP).
Ultimately, I don't think iMacs are coming because it IS WWDC, not MacExpo, because it is unlikely they got a G5 in the enclosure, and because ThinkSecret has a great track record. But the tone of the article + the strange waiting times for iMacs in the store + reports of no inventory refreshes + AppleInsider's macteasing... means I cannot be 100% sure ThinkSecret is right!
How fun
)But, to echo what someone else said, the minute I read their no-iMac article, it REALLY struck me how un-ThinkSecret the tone was. Maybe it was a new or guest writer, maybe the writer was stoned, I don't know. But something really doesn't click.
A conspiracy theorist would argue that Steve Jobs wrote the decoy article to play with us, and forced ThinkSecret to go along with it so they didn't take any legal action against them for posting those display renderings (for which they got in trouble with their ISP).
Ultimately, I don't think iMacs are coming because it IS WWDC, not MacExpo, because it is unlikely they got a G5 in the enclosure, and because ThinkSecret has a great track record. But the tone of the article + the strange waiting times for iMacs in the store + reports of no inventory refreshes + AppleInsider's macteasing... means I cannot be 100% sure ThinkSecret is right!
How fun
ai is good but ts record is perfect(r close)their like the 1972 dolphins of the mac world, perfect record, but maybe theyll end up in like the dolphins and lose in the playoffs (this is like the playoff with wwdc being the superbowl)ClimbingTheLog said:
I was hoping to see at least minor update that maybe had a top end iMac at a G4 with 1.5GHz and an ATI Radeon 9600 built in. That would have sold me.
YOu nevr know.
YOu nevr know.
You'll never win...
You will never win this one. Despite multiple posts from multiple users, people in this (and every other) forum continue to butcher this one as well as homonyms galore.
Try not to loose patients.
But getting back on topic, iMac in its current iteration has become much too stagnant. Upon this fact, we all agree. Why not a liquid cooled G5 iMac, eh? Change the form factor a mote to accomodate this... and let it blaze.. If they already added a counterweight to balance the larger screen, then they could use some of that weight in componentry, eh?
Just a thought...
PRØBE said:What is it about this word that's so damn hard to spell?
Are you all doing this just to annoy me?
(Sorry but I always get pre-potential product announcement "loose" intolerance syndrome) Must be all the excitement.
By the way, it's L O S E!
Rant over
You will never win this one. Despite multiple posts from multiple users, people in this (and every other) forum continue to butcher this one as well as homonyms galore.
Try not to loose patients.
But getting back on topic, iMac in its current iteration has become much too stagnant. Upon this fact, we all agree. Why not a liquid cooled G5 iMac, eh? Change the form factor a mote to accomodate this... and let it blaze.. If they already added a counterweight to balance the larger screen, then they could use some of that weight in componentry, eh?
Just a thought...
gskiser said:
"There has been much speculation that at least the high-end models of both product lines might include a SuperDrive with DVD-RW/CD-RW capabilities. Let us put this issue to rest: There will be no Superdrive version(s) announced. Apple is facing no "difficulties" fitting the SuperDrive into a PowerBook enclosure, as many other sites have reported. Sources firmly report Apple never tried to accommodate tray-equipped drives into these laptops and that until a slot-loading SuperDrive is abundantly available, Apple laptops will not have SuperDrives. That is not to say Apple won't update the PowerBook design when SuperDrives are added. As sure as the sun rises everyday, a PowerBook re-design is a certainty next year."
- Think Secret's DePlume on a previous ego trip
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What happened a few days later? We got a Titanium PowerBook G4 with Superdrive. He is not infallible people. He want us to believe there will not only be no iMac announcement on Monday but no new iMacs at all until September? Yeah right. Apple has stopped shipping them to resellers over two weeks ago. Sure it's possible they will not be announced on Monday but if that is the case then an announcement would happen within a couple weeks so either way, we are getting them very very soon!
bob_the_gorilla said:
even if it's not webcast, the keynote is not secret... there are plenty of Press there, so wifi laptops will be streaming their updates to IRC and a few Mac sites. I would think the presentation will show up online in a few days (maybe after some editing). I would think Apple will want to show the public some 10.4 features themselves instead of relying on the developers and reporters. In the past not long after WWDC http://www.apple.com/macosx/ added a link to a page with some previews of features in the next OS upgrade.
zedwards said:
developers need computers they cant develop if theirs nothing to develop for.
they may also be interested in an imac g5 because then they can develop consumer products for a g5 they wont do that if there is no consumer g5 computer