WWDC - No iMacs, but Yes Displays?

[HyperX]

First post a rumor?

This is my First post and it's a rumor.. gather from various sorces and put together it is pretty strong.. But a rumor is a rumor... so you never know.

1) No new Imacs. Look for New Imacs at the End of a July. NO G5's in Imac. Release will go as follows.

17" and 20" models only. 15" dropped out of line.
G4 1.5 in both models.
1299$ for basic G4 17" Imac
Superdrive 8x avalible (Standard in 20")
Possibly ATI 9200 video across board with 9600 option on 20" (still 64 Meg memory but the graphic card might not even change)
120 gig HD standard.
Firewire 800 single port.
Option for Bluetooth Keyboard and Mouse
Possible Airport Extreme Standard (Why.. I dont know)
Gigabit Networking (FINALLY)
NO Headless Imac (sorry) No wall hanging Imac (sorry)

Sad and Pathetic I know.. but this is what will happen. Heat issues or just a shortage of Supply.

2) Tiger Tiger Tiger

Tiger is going to be the focus of WWDC and thats it. Introducing what you can do in a 64-bit world and an improved finder interface. Look for tons of features and new DEV tools to make developers happy.

3) New Screens. For sure (just as think secret has said)

4) Recap on recent updates

Talk about New Powermac G5 2.5 prevelent. Sorry for no 3.0. Will not commit to any new time frame.
Talk of BMW Deal. Ipod everywhere. Hint STRONGLY at other car manufactures joining.

5) Talk of Wireless Networking / Wireless Firewire

A quick touching of a base that apple is commited to eliminating clutter. Push for Bluetooth for low speed devices. Eliminating Clutter.

The Keynotes end and thats about it.

Now you can see why they dont want to stream the Keynotes. Especially since Steve is going to be going "sorry sorry sorry" about the G5 3.0 promise!

 

[windowsblowsass]

Why does everyone think Steve jobs does all the design work around Apple? He does nothing of the sort. He runs the business and thats about it. Just wondering.

the poster wasnt saying jobs designs them rather that he will present it to seem moe than it is hence the reality desroion field

 

[TWinbrook46636]

1) No new Imacs. Look for New Imacs at the End of a July. NO G5's in Imac. Release will go as follows.

17" and 20" models only. 15" dropped out of line.
G4 1.5 in both models.
1299$ for basic G4 17" Imac
Superdrive 8x avalible (Standard in 20")
Possibly ATI 9200 video across board with 9600 option on 20" (still 64 Meg memory but the graphic card might not even change)
120 gig HD standard.
Firewire 800 single port.
Option for Bluetooth Keyboard and Mouse
Possible Airport Extreme Standard (Why.. I dont know)
Gigabit Networking (FINALLY)
NO Headless Imac (sorry) No wall hanging Imac (sorry)

Sad and Pathetic I know.. but this is what will happen. Heat issues or just a shortage of Supply.

That wouldn't be half bad though a dual 1.5GHz option would be better.

2) Tiger Tiger Tiger

Tiger is going to be the focus of WWDC and thats it. Introducing what you can do in a 64-bit world and an improved finder interface. Look for tons of features and new DEV tools to make developers happy.

3) New Screens. For sure (just as think secret has said)

4) Recap on recent updates

Talk about New Powermac G5 2.5 prevelent. Sorry for no 3.0. Will not commit to any new time frame.
Talk of BMW Deal. Ipod everywhere. Hint STRONGLY at other car manufactures joining.

5) Talk of Wireless Networking / Wireless Firewire

A quick touching of a base that apple is commited to eliminating clutter. Push for Bluetooth for low speed devices. Eliminating Clutter.

The Keynotes end and thats about it.

Probably the most logical keynote prediction I've heard.

Now you can see why they dont want to stream the Keynotes. Especially since Steve is going to be going "sorry sorry sorry" about the G5 3.0 promise!

That will be the day. I doubt he will even mention it. He may speak of Tigers but he is a scaredy cat. That's why they announced them a few weeks in advance of the anniversary.

 

[iDave]

That wouldn't be half bad though a dual 1.5GHz option would be better.

Don't expect duals in a consumer Mac, especially in the current quiet iMac. I'd go along with HyperX's prediction except that I wonder what the heck is taking so long if that's all Apple's going to do.

That will be the day. I doubt he will even mention it. He may speak of Tigers but he is a scaredy cat. That's why they announced them a few weeks in advance of the anniversary.

Surely there's going to be a bake-off. What's a keynote without a bake-off?

 

[bob_the_gorilla]

even if it's not webcast, the keynote is not secret... there are plenty of Press there, so wifi laptops will be streaming their updates to IRC and a few Mac sites. I would think the presentation will show up online in a few days (maybe after some editing). I would think Apple will want to show the public some 10.4 features themselves instead of relying on the developers and reporters. In the past not long after WWDC http://www.apple.com/macosx/ added a link to a page with some previews of features in the next OS upgrade.

Still, it's not the same as watching live... sigh...

iDave, I have to agree about the whole language-going-down-the-pan idea. It worries me how poor the language skills of schoolchildren are today in Britain - I don't know about the rest of the world. I was lucky enough to go to a school full of bright kids, but mixed socially with a lot of people from standard state schools. Frankly, I can barely believe how poor many British-born kids are at English. Spoken English is generally suspect, written English virtually non-existent. I had a better grasp of the language at age 8 than many school leavers will ever have.

Hmm. Sorry, it's not often I get to play the grumpy old man, and I rather enjoy it.

Back on topic - I agree with the poster (sorry, forgotten who) who said that (s)he was expecting iMacs before July was out. Many things point towards it. If we don't see a decent speed bump etc at the very least, the iMac is dead, and not just sleeping. Like that damn parrot. I'm also praying for a new iPod, as otherwise I'll have to wait even longer to spend my cash, but that's looking less likely.

 

[bryantm3]

Yeah it'll be called an aMac (a for advanced) it'll be right inbetween the power of a emac and a pm. Its price will be dirt cheap and it will blow away the competitors. It will be screen less but for a limited time offer you will be able to get 50% off of a new 30" screen. People will line up for miles to get their amacs. They'll be low on stock just like the iPod Mini also, by the way was denied just like the iMacs are right now............

it makes you think......






i want a aMac

yeah, people will love their assmacs

 

[Stewdy]

HyperX is probably right on with the imac prediction...

Just went to the Apple Store and dropped a 15", a 17" and a 20" base imac into my cart with no upgrades at all. Ship times on the 17" and the 20" were Same Business Day. The 15" was 7-10 days. That would seem to me that the 15" is definitely going away and just updates to the other sizes. Of course that doesn't mean that there won't be something new... (but probably not so I won't get my hopes up)

 

[MacinDoc]

WWDC Predictions

Last week, I speculated that there might be new displays at WWDC and G5 iMacs at Expo Paris https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=894133#post894133. It seems to me that these predictions are consistent with the TS article. I think that if Apple wants to encourage sales of its new iMac for the coming school year, it has to introduce them by July, and that could mean an introduction at Expo Paris. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Apple was trying to increase its profile at Expo Paris.

On the other hand, this could all be a smokescreen. After all, wasn't it originally rumored (or rumoured, for those who prefer the British spelling) that MWSF 2004 would not be webcast?

IMO, if there is an announcement that the WWDC will be webcast, then iMac G5 will be there.

With respect to iMac specs, I think that the iMac will continue to be more expensive than the eMac, so it needs hardware specs to justify the price difference. Since the eMac is already at 1.25 GHz, and the G4 can currently do no better than 1.5 GHz, it seems that the only way to differentiate the iMac from the eMac (for most consumers) would be the introduction of the new form-factor G5 iMac.

 

[nexusfx]

They gotta be screwin with us....

Those iMacs need to be updated, sure you can get a cool looking machine out of them right now but the eMac is such a better deal. They've got to update them if for nothing else just bump up the speeds of the current G4 series and add the 8x Superdrive to them, maybe larger Hard Drives as well.

New Displays I'm very mch looking forward too, those are so overdue for an update it's not even funny, the 20" contrast is better than the 23" at the moment which makes the 20" look alot clearer than the flagship right now despite the HD resolution, that's just not right.

Either way, I'm looking forward to the conference, I've got a good feeling about what will be announced. Just feels like there will be some suprises in store for us this time.

 

[gwag]

Detachable Screen(not wireless)

How about this:

There is a new "imac", it can be used headless, with the new displays, but ALSO you can unhook the base from the new 20" or 17" screen and attach it to the top of the "imac" like a current imac. Aluminum of course and I'm thinking square.

 

[xtekdiver]

New keyboard and mouse!

This means that they must introduce a new keyboard and mouse to go with the new displays. Will they finally break down and give us a 2-button mouse -- wireless?

 

[sockeatingdryer]

Actually...

I believe that the iMac won't be, well, an iMac.

It probably won't have a G5 (Did everybody just get selective hearing on Boger's announcement?! He said there won't be a G5 in the iMac for a looooong time!).

They are talking about a pizza-box design, headless Mac, hanging displays, and Airport Express...

I'm thinking the new iMac will be a tablet, with it to "hang" on a docking station. All of the guts will be under the display (and due to heating designs, a G4 will be necessary), or it could be just the display communicating to the station/tower via Airport Express (no one has gotten one, so there may be an extra hidden reason for it). This, of course, could very well pass on to the display line.

So... bottom line, I'm guessing that it is a tablet (the display, pizza-box design) with a docking station (headless Mac).

 

[virus1]

LMAO! apl better bring somthink really good out to make up for this... where's my ciggette...

 

[Soire]

anything more than 10.4 chatter is bonus. last year they HAD to release the G5s since there is a lot of 10.3 that would have tipped everyone off. remember developers walk out with a beta copy.

Anybody know if student developers who stay at home get a beta version of tiger mailed to them??

 

[bob_the_gorilla]

Anybody know if student developers who stay at home get a beta version of tiger mailed to them??

Doubt it. There'll be disc images on the file sharing networks within days, though.

 

[TWinbrook46636]

It probably won't have a G5 (Did everybody just get selective hearing on Boger's announcement?! He said there won't be a G5 in the iMac for a looooong time!).

"While Boger didn't give a timeframe for an iMac G5, he did say the company faced similar challenges getting a G5 to work with their consumer desktop...

 

[ITMediaCo]

Any thoughts whether the new displays will be shipping right after they are announced? Or will we need to wait until August...

I'm just a little excited here...

 

[Downdivx]

This means that they must introduce a new keyboard and mouse to go with the new displays. Will they finally break down and give us a 2-button mouse -- wireless?

Agreed on the new keyboard and mouse, if the displays and the G5s are metal the keyboard and mouse has to follow soon. I'm not putting any money on 2-button mice though. Wireless probably remains an option.

W

 

[dantec]

I went to my local Apple Store today, and guess what no iMacs in the 'consumer' iMac/iBook section, except for 1 20" model. I asked the sales person, they said they sold the two models because they have run out of stock...

The eMac was still there with the iBook & G5's etc... I spotted 2 other iMacs in the stores in the other sections...

It was actually pretty strange looking because there was a huge gap on the table where they are supposed to be with cables running to & from...

So if you ask me, iMac updates are imminant, the lack of supply and time since the last update draws me to the conclusion that we will get new iMacs (either G5 iMacs or speedbumped G4's) at WWDC or a later date.

Just my 2 cents

 

[HyperX]

Pizza Box type G5 Imacs I think will happen... But not till next year...

Expect G5 powerbooks at the begining of the year (First Major Apple event)
Then a few months later (2 or 3) Expect Imac with G5 (Possible Pizza Box). With the Ibook and Emac happening with a few weeks of eachother over the summer. This time next year at WWDC expect the Key thing to talk about is Apples total commitment to 64-bit platform! This time table seems to be the logical advancement (due to apples history).

Keep in mind that there is no REASON for apple to move forward on 64-bit in the consumer line since most software doesn't even take ADVANTAGE of it yet.

I further expect to see The G6 within 2 years or less with a Multi-core design (4 processor powermacs on 2 chips.. No virtual threading needed). This will solve heat issues (following in intels footsteps) and allow an increase in overall speed.

I think this is one of the reasons Apple has moved to an All Dual G5 design on the powermacs. They want to push 64-bit proccessing and have software designed for Multi-processing (and I mean REALLY designed around it). Around the Same time you will Probably see OS 11 (Codename: whatever).

People keep talking about G5 in this.. and how steve jobs will suprise the world. We keep forgetting about the REAL limitations that exist in current technologies. With every bump in MHZ we cause more heat and power issues. Smaller fabrication on solves it a little bit while creating it's own issues. Chip designers are needing to Re-invent the wheel so to speak. So please stop getting your hopes up. Have some patients and dont be afraid to buy whats on the market (if your worried about price buy a re-furb and be happy you saved some cash).

In fact I would go as far to say, that apple knew they couldn't roll out G5's like they wanted to. They pushed for it into the powermacs to push developers to write software. This way they knew they had a year or 2 to release there products and the software would be waiting! Why pull an AMD (wow Athlon FX with no 64-bit software. Love that 32-bit mode)

ALSO PLEASE STOP BEGGING FOR DUAL BUTTON MOUSE FROM APPLE OR EVEN A SCROLL WHEEL. It wont even HAPPEN even in a dream untill the next MAJOR revision. So when the G6 is rumored.. then begin rumoring your mouse again! If anything I think Steve will push for the death of wires first (no more pro wired.. only bluetooth!) before he worries about a second button or scroll wheel. Use logic!

As for people wondering about what release when in terms of product perdiction and rumors.. here are some simply Guidlines to follow.

1) Over X-mas think Ipods! Thats the money for Apple. Let's not pretend here. So before X-mas approaches lets not begin rumoring radical product changes. We usually see product line changes in the late spring and summer time. This is when apple makes most of it's computer sales <ok well they sell alot during Xmas too.. but it knows it can sell 6 month old technology at X-mas just as well as new products. There Honey spot is education.. and that sings of summer>

2) Apple doesn't love to rock the boat. Anytime they have tried they have had problems. Apple is more about inovating and taking calcualted risks. In everything from there design to there products (Ipods and Itunes was an eventual step in musical evolution. It didn't IMO rock the BOAT... simply put a little motion in the ocean). Apple will also never Innovate unless they have there backs to the wall. Stocks failing, no profits.. they will innovate.. Until then, they are happy at staus quo.

3) Apple moves at the speed of MONEY! If there is money to be made they will make it. But they move as fast as the money. If something is profitable they wont chage it... why change something that works. Everything From the G5 to the Ipod mini is a way to improve profits in a place where it needed it and not until it was NEEDED! Apple has survived all these years by moving at the RIGHT times instead of as soon as it can!

4) Apple does not MAKE technology. Instead they buy from others. If you want to rumor correctly look at what other companies do.. When someone else makes a new technology expect apple to adopt it. Thats when you can rumor. Talking about G5's in everything when you know IBM cannot supply basically is like peeing in the wind. Use your head. If the technology is not there, apple wont due it. Apple is literally a design and marketing firm.


Boy I sure love to hear myself talk I will shut up now.. sorry about the rant!

In closing.. this year..

NO G5's in anything more then powermacs.
NO Headless Imacs.
IPOD UPDATE before Xmas <probably bigger hard drives. Maybe QT support if they go color screens>
TIGER will be apple forcus the rest of the year <apple has always been about software and not hardware>
Do not be supprised if you see other software updates move to 64-bit. But I think this will be more of an After Xmas thing. With ILife '05 and Some major updates to Final Cut Pro.

 

[theROZ]

it's not a headless IMAC , it's a baseless IMAC

i think a 30inch HD monitor that you hang on the wall with wifi internet, bluetooth keyboard, wifi ipod connected, bose stereo speakers Imac would be cool.

 

[DMann]

Rev. 2.5

considering all the special engineering that went into getting the G5 into the original PM, not to mention the rev b 2.5 it should not come as a suprise.

Rev 2.5??

 

[DMann]

iMacs

I went to my local Apple Store today, and guess what no iMacs in the 'consumer' iMac/iBook section, except for 1 20" model. I asked the sales person, they said they sold the two models because they have run out of stock...

If it is true that they are being produced in Taiwan as
we speak, then what would stop Steve from, at the very
least, announcing them at WWDC?

 

[HyperX]

Rev 2.5??

I think they mean the Dual G5 2.5 water cooled Rev B Powermac.

I wonder if I can save money by running water thru it to a boiling temp then making my pasta with the water

 

[DMann]

iMac

I believe that the iMac won't be, well, an iMac.

It probably won't have a G5 (Did everybody just get selective hearing on Boger's announcement?! He said there won't be a G5 in the iMac for a looooong time!).

They are talking about a pizza-box design, headless Mac, hanging displays, and Airport Express...

I'm thinking the new iMac will be a tablet, with it to "hang" on a docking station. All of the guts will be under the display (and due to heating designs, a G4 will be necessary), or it could be just the display communicating to the station/tower via Airport Express (no one has gotten one, so there may be an extra hidden reason for it). This, of course, could very well pass on to the display line.

So... bottom line, I'm guessing that it is a tablet (the display, pizza-box design) with a docking station (headless Mac).

Hmmmmmmm.......... with airport extreme included?