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WWDC - No iMacs, but Yes Displays?
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HyperX said:
Well if they're going to release new iMacs with those specs (or similiar), what has taken them so long for that update? Does Moto/Freescale have problems producing enough 1.5 cpus? Or do they introduce a new form factor?
Hector said:
why?
i have a second hand G3 imac (400mhz, manufactured in 1999) and it's just a wonderful machine. almost like a laptop - no fans and hard to upgrade hard drives (only thing that makes noise in the system). i love it! with a 80GB hard drive and 512MB memory the thing performs normal things wonderfully, up to quick-and-dirty imovie dv edits.
i will buy a G4 imac when they lose enough value. the design is just so amazingly beautiful. i hope to be able to get a good deal on a 17" or a 20" widescreen model some day.
and i will most likely buy a G5 imac, too, when they become available second hand.
there just are no comparison to the imacs. no other desktop will ever deserve a place on one's living room. the imacs are something one doesn't want to hide behind one's desk - but instead place them where they are seen! that tells enough.
the necessary car analogy: if one wants to have most raw power, one buys a V8 speedster that is ugly as hell but almost too powerful a beast to handle. but if one wants to have most beautiful piece to show to whoever might see it, one doesn't care about the raw power or the year it is manufactured. one only cares about the envy looks of others when one drives it and wants to be seen in it - 1965 mustang, anyone?
Zaty said:
Fair Enough Question. Lets Break it down in a 1 year timeline for everyone
1 year ago. Steve Introduces G5 powermacs. Jaws hit the floor and everyone is wowed. Futher wows everyone annoncing 3ghz in 1 year. All this is based of what IBM promises it can do. 970fx will Hit 3ghz no problem Steve. We promise it will be ready.
A few months later it is realized the 90nm pre-fab has a bit of a heat issue. X-serves are becoming an issue. IBM cannot get the speed up. Steve is crapping himself. We need chips to start designing.. what the hold up. IBM responds with give us a bit more time, BTW we are having a few yield issues to but it will all work out.
Steve Keeps pushing back, the board is screaming for steve To Refresh, but he keeps telling himself it isn't the good old Motorola days all over again. Steve is on the phone daily with IBM.
A few more months IBM annonces the yeild problems solved. They ship some sample 2.5 chips to Apple. Apple techs roast marshmellows over new chips and Steve finally breaks in for the watercooling IDEA. He knows if he shows up with nothing soon, he will have alot more the awnser for.
Apple takes a stance now that G5's will be in everything else next year, not trusting IBM and what they will say (it could be sooner but I think IBM has thier head up thier.. you know. Steve tells the techs Start updating everything. No more waiting on monitors or consumer line. Motorola is screaming AHHHH pains because they now need to produce alot more G4's then they originally intended!
What about the Emac you ask? It was never destined for G5's this year because it would be shooting themselves in the foot. You want to sell high first and then lower as sales drop off. Powermacs, then Imacs. Powerbooks, then Ibooks. Then Emacs Last. The natural order of things my friend! I would be suprised if we saw G5's in Ibooks before Xmas NEXT year! Never mind heat, they want those fat powerbook dollars. Especially since Ibooks need to compete with ever more in-expensive consumer notebooks on the PC range.
Look for G4 speed bumps till next year. The delays have nothing to do with yields, just apple Trusting IBM and putting to much on there developing plate. They know they need to come out big, so expect a HUGE software year and a big push into a 64-bit era. By the end of Next year 64-bit will be dead. Unless IBM decides it needs to inspect it's own colon closer!
Noone is posting anymore <sniffs lonley>
I wish I worked for Apple! I would make GREAT products! Ipod with Bluetooth so you could go wireless headphones and control it with your cell phone! Woohoo! Dial Contacts from your Ipod or Simply Share a song between 2 ipods wirelessly <or even just song info so they can buy it off itunes thereselves>. I will just continue to dream though..
<Snores and dreams of working for apple, I would settle even being a Mac Genius (as long as gud spweling isnt rekwired)>
I wish I worked for Apple! I would make GREAT products! Ipod with Bluetooth so you could go wireless headphones and control it with your cell phone! Woohoo! Dial Contacts from your Ipod or Simply Share a song between 2 ipods wirelessly <or even just song info so they can buy it off itunes thereselves>. I will just continue to dream though..
<Snores and dreams of working for apple, I would settle even being a Mac Genius (as long as gud spweling isnt rekwired)>
Although I'm inclined to believe that we won't see new iMacs at WWDC, I don't understand why so many people seem to think WWDC is a conference for "pro users." It's not. It's a conference for developers, who create products for all Macs, and therefore, for all levels of users.
Consumer-oriented iBooks, eMacs and iMacs generally outsell the professional-grade Power Macintoshes and PowerBooks, so it's reasonable to assume that developers have a vested interest in having a little hands-on with new additions to the consumer product line.
NAB and Seybold are conferences aimed at "pro" users, not WWDC.
As for Think Secret's suggestion that the timing (i.e., the end of June) is all wrong for the introduction of a new iMac, well, that doesn't add up either. The original iMac was unveiled May 1998just five days before that year's WWDC. The next major revision was announced in October of 1999, and then the flat-panel iMac made its debut in January 2002. So clearly, there's been no consistent strategy in unveiling updated iMacs; they've all been announced whenever the company has bloody well wanted to.
The only thing that is predictable is that Apple tends to announce products before they're ready to ship. This often gets enthusiasts salivating and it generates huge preorders that the company can brag about. So announcing an iMac sooner and delivering it later (after scores of orders rolls in) is expected. Regardless of what Think Secret may think, it makes sense for Apple to unveil the new iMac within the next few weeks to raise awareness of the new product and encourage educational orders, be they from institutions or the back-to-school crowd.
I've got a hunch we'll see the new iMac the same week as Macworld Expo Boston. Seems like the best way to pour salt in the wound, doesn't it?
Consumer-oriented iBooks, eMacs and iMacs generally outsell the professional-grade Power Macintoshes and PowerBooks, so it's reasonable to assume that developers have a vested interest in having a little hands-on with new additions to the consumer product line.
NAB and Seybold are conferences aimed at "pro" users, not WWDC.
As for Think Secret's suggestion that the timing (i.e., the end of June) is all wrong for the introduction of a new iMac, well, that doesn't add up either. The original iMac was unveiled May 1998just five days before that year's WWDC. The next major revision was announced in October of 1999, and then the flat-panel iMac made its debut in January 2002. So clearly, there's been no consistent strategy in unveiling updated iMacs; they've all been announced whenever the company has bloody well wanted to.
The only thing that is predictable is that Apple tends to announce products before they're ready to ship. This often gets enthusiasts salivating and it generates huge preorders that the company can brag about. So announcing an iMac sooner and delivering it later (after scores of orders rolls in) is expected. Regardless of what Think Secret may think, it makes sense for Apple to unveil the new iMac within the next few weeks to raise awareness of the new product and encourage educational orders, be they from institutions or the back-to-school crowd.
I've got a hunch we'll see the new iMac the same week as Macworld Expo Boston. Seems like the best way to pour salt in the wound, doesn't it?
JFreak said:
because i am a geek thats why and the imac just dose not do it for me the cube did and my B&W did and back when the bondi blue imac came out i sure as hell wanted one but i need tweakability i want i need a modular system so i can swap out parts and replace them with better parts swap fans for better ones overclock without taking an hour to get the thing apart + the non removable lcd thing annoys me
Umm, Apple *is* pulling an "AMD"
This is funny, considering that OS X only runs in 32-bit mode!
Where's the 64-bit software for the Mac???
HyperX said:
This is funny, considering that OS X only runs in 32-bit mode!
Where's the 64-bit software for the Mac???
AidenShaw said:
I said apple ISNT in a rush because there isn't 64-bit software out yet. So why do more then the powermac. Let the developers catch up. Apple is 50% software with 50% hardware. I was saying it was the mistake AMD made with the Athlon 64/FX. Consumers dont NEED 64-bit since there isnt anything to take advantage of it!
Apple Has only put the G5 in The top of the TOP line. Where AMD went Optron/FX/64 as quick as they could. Now they have a super fast processor running with no real software for it yet. Nor did they let the support technology catch up either (DDR2 <at FASTER then 533 MHZ>, PCI express, HD Audio, you get the idea) If Apple threw the G5 in notebook and imacs ASAP whats the REAL advantage? Take a G4 1.5 next to a G5 1.6 and in the 32-bit world, they are kissing cousins. Except to put the G5 in an imac or powerbook is a major headache. Apple wants to do it RIGHT. Let there be software/devlopment time. Let there be time to make GOOD hardware choices. Build a BETTER product.
That being said, if apple Put G5's in everything I wouldn't complain. I just am not going to complain if they DONT! I will wait.. But my patience runs out in 1 years time
HyperX said:
There's a big difference - there *are* several 64-bit operating systems available for the Opteron/Athlon 64. You *can* run your own 64-bit programs - like the boys with the Opteron 64-bit supercomputers do.
Apple *should* be in a rush to get a 64-bit O/S out to its developers - how can you develop 64-bit applications for the Mac today? I was told by an Apple employee that Apple will announce the 64-bit roadmap for OSX at WWDC. It's about time.
Mac/OS X is 32-bit only, though. In spite of this, you see things like
hyping the 64-bit processor (but, like you say, love that 32-bit mode).
Sorry that I misunderstood your implication about developers, but the crack about the Athlon 64 seemed to be taking a swipe at AMD for doing *exactly* what Apple is doing.
And, I won't buy the argument that "Power Mac is a pro machine". Any consumer who wants a separate monitor has to buy a PowerMac. The PM is the only expandable machine in the line, so a fair number of them are for consumers.
What about the early "G5 blows you through the wall" TV ad - was that kid in his parent's house a "pro" ??? What about the dual-page "First 64-bit Desktop" ads in consumer magazines like Time and Newsweek?
Apple is pushing the "64-bit myth" hard and strong to people who don't know anything other than "a bigger number *must* be better"....
WWDC isn't really for end users at all, as such.appleguy said:
It's pretty obvious that Apple quietly repositioned things as soon as they realized the price on those LCDs wasn't going to drop any time soon. eMac took over the old iMac position, and iMac moved up to high end consumer/mainstream professional. The vast majority of professional users don't need a PowerMac tower; the idea that all people who use OS X systems for work are doing high end multimedia work or supercomputing is just silly. For example, what would the NSW traffic authority have done with G5s at their customer service desks? The iMac was just right for their application.
They do have a tendency to pull stunts like that, don't they?
So all this means is that the flat computer that might be released on Monday isn't going to be called an iMac.
myselfke said:
I just love idiots like this who make some off-the-cuff comment but haven't the b*lls to back it up without any information. It's like the guy a few months ago on these forums saying Formac had new cinema-like displays coming out and everyone jumped on him in the forums for not divulding, finally he put up some info it appeared he came up with, a supposed letter he got from Formac. So I sent it to Formac and they said 1. they couldn't comment on things in development and 2. it was a fake letter.
If you have information/sources here, give details, if not, don't say anything.
johnnyjibbs said:Exactly. I think we will see G5 iMacs or at least an announcement. The iMacs weren't updated. Something gives.
And the Think Secret article completely jokes about the iMac bit - "Apple is laughing at the rumours"? I think they don't know anything. They haven't been that accurate lately anyway. It's pure speculation.
In fact, the article is written in a jovial, jokey and coloquial sort of way - completely out of sync with the normal professional and serious manner of writing that Think Secret is legendary for. Seems like they were drunk when they wrote it.
Here is the thing, ThinkSecret has still had the most accurate reporting this year... they don't post unless they have good reason to believe it is true. They got the GM announcement for ARD2 right, and they got the DETAILS on the G5 refresh correct. I would hardly say they haven't been accurate lately, but I would agree they haven't been posting information on future releases lately.
ThinkSecret doesn't discount an iMac update this year, they just claim it won't be announced at WWDC. I tend to agree, do you push a new iMac at a DEVELOPER's conference? Don't be silly, you want your developers to buy shiny G5s and Powerbooks. This conference is for the developers, and so any announcements would be geared towards that crowd's demographic (i.e, no iMac/iBook/iPod announcements).
I would side with TS on this one and say your iMac upgrade is due later in the year, but September at the latest (IMO), so production can rev up by December.
AidenShaw said:
I can develop 64-bit applications today... however, I am still limited by a 32-bit application memory space (4GB), and 32-bit addressing with the OS. But that doesn't stop me from using all 64 bits in my calculation-heavy code... or altivec (depending on the data being grinded).
So, just because the OS is 32-bit (and imposes SOME limitations in the process), doesn't mean I can't develop apps that take advantage of 64-bit integer math. Not to mention that most consumer-level apps (Photoshop isn't consumer-level, and would probably benefit from 64-bit enhancements in some areas) don't need to go 64-bit for quite some time, as they don't need the extra RAM access or the larger number space for processing quite yet.
Yes, it is hyped. Yes, this hype is 'bad'. Although, anyone remember what happened when 32-bit processing was creeping into systems?
Are these the new displays?
I missed the renderings on thinksecret.com. But are these renderings from http://www.engadget.com/entry/5844174639663617/ similar. If so, RAD!!!
I missed the renderings on thinksecret.com. But are these renderings from http://www.engadget.com/entry/5844174639663617/ similar. If so, RAD!!!
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Apple of my eye said:
I'm pretty sure those pictures were actually designed by somebody on this forum. I seem to remember them going through a few revisions about a month or so ago. Those pictures are just a powermac sideways with a black screen inserted. I think I remember a second revision with firewire and USB ports on the front. Think Secret says the displays are going to be connected via one rear, adjustable base.
Whitaker
Wow, I had no idea.
I just checked Best Buy's web site, and they carry a full line of desktops (iMac, PowerMac), notebooks (iBooks, PowerBooks), iPods (15, 20, 40, mini) and displays (17, 20, 23). All for the same prices as listed on apple.com.
I haven't noticed any Apple displays in the stores. Anyone know whether most Best Buy stores are stocking the full line? How long has Best Buy had Apple?
Cooknn said:Yep! with a no questions asked return policy in case of "pixel anamolies"
I just checked Best Buy's web site, and they carry a full line of desktops (iMac, PowerMac), notebooks (iBooks, PowerBooks), iPods (15, 20, 40, mini) and displays (17, 20, 23). All for the same prices as listed on apple.com.
I haven't noticed any Apple displays in the stores. Anyone know whether most Best Buy stores are stocking the full line? How long has Best Buy had Apple?