Xbox Series X (coming 10 Nov 2020)

[LionTeeth]

Flight Sim is an absolute gen. I own 2020. Trialed 2024 during launch week. Found it to be too buggy and unfinished. Will buy it in a few months when it's more polished.


Pokemon and Mario games sell the Merch.

Xbox will evolve into a content network. Want to reach well segmented gamers? Advertising or launch an experience in:
-Minecraft
-COD
-Forza

MS will likely take Xbox beyond gaming in order to capture more revenue. Fortnite is leading the way with concerts, wearables and more. More IP folders will launch on the MMOG platforms than spending $100-200m to develop and market a game.

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This doesn’t make sense. Fortnite can attempt this because they cornered the prime fueled ADHD addled youth market. However there’s only room for one player there. You’re never gonna see a rap concert sponsored by call of duty.

Clearly Microsoft and Sony make money somehow by issuing consoles. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t make them. People have their head in the clouds talking about some abstract future.

The real boring “answer” is: People will play video games. Some prefer a computer, some prefer a console. Ain’t much gonna change there.

Microsoft has always attempted to second guess the future (windows 8, etc). While having rock solid existing products that they should just be supporting instead.

 

[diamond.g]

Price hike incoming....

Microsoft is raising prices on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games worldwide

New Xbox first-party games are going up in price later this year.

www.theverge.com

 

[turbineseaplane]

Good news for my mint condition Series X that just sits there.
Perhaps I'll sell it in a few months

 

[salamanderjuice]

Price hike incoming....

Microsoft is raising prices on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games worldwide

New Xbox first-party games are going up in price later this year.

www.theverge.com

It's not even incoming. It's already been applied to Microsoft's own store at least.

 

[Pezimak]

I do like how, due to tariffs in America, they increase the prices right across Europe too….. yeah sure it has nothing to do with greed.
Also I am not sure how they think their games will sell on other platforms if they charge 80 dollars for them.

I can honestly just see the console games market crashing hard at this point, and next gen both Microsoft and Sony trying to sell 700 base consoles and 90 dollar games.

Nintendo will just continue to survive though.

 

[deckard666]

No crash for N as the biggest console launch of all time arrivng in just over a month......

 

[Macalicious2011]

I do like how, due to tariffs in America, they increase the prices right across Europe too….. yeah sure it has nothing to do with greed.

Sony announced PS5 price hike before tariffis. Inflation is a global issue. Prices of everything has risen over the past 3 years. It's a bit sad that Xbox prices are being hiked without any software or hardware improvements.

 

[Pezimak]

Sony announced PS5 price hike before tariffis. Inflation is a global issue. Prices of everything has risen over the past 3 years. It's a bit sad that Xbox prices are being hiked without any software or hardware improvements.

Nope inflation isn't a reason either because Xbox just announced record profits. All companies are making record profits every year regardless of any inflation. It is all just greed.

 

[Macalicious2011]

Nope inflation isn't a reason either because Xbox just announced record profits. All companies are making record profits every year regardless of any inflation. It is all just greed.

If one raises prices. The others jump on the bandwagon.

 

[Imhotep397]

No crash for N as the biggest console launch of all time arrivng in just over a month......

We'll have to see how that does in the first couple of years. Everyone knows there are the hardcore Nintendo fans that will show up first, but the bulk of the current Switch customers are casuals. I haven't seen the new console trending in social media outside the core Nintendo userbase like the Switch did yet.

 

[ctjack]

We'll have to see how that does in the first couple of years. Everyone knows there are the hardcore Nintendo fans that will show up first, but the bulk of the current Switch customers are casuals. I haven't seen the new console trending in social media outside the core Nintendo userbase like the Switch did yet.

First got Switch Oled (second console except snes in 90s as a handmedown and brief SS in 2020) then Xbox SX.

Switch immediately put me back into childhood - scooping major titles for $26-$30 on bf deals helped a lot.

Xbox - is a powerhouse and enjoy my rdr in 4k.

Overall feels like N has a stronger moat for a reason; it is hard to see people buying multiple consoles outside of N.

Myself, will keep buying new N releases no matter what as long as financials are in place to afford.
Xbox is a great purchase for powerhouse that will allow me to catch up on bigger titles that N can't handle well or non-existent. That is mainly past 2 decades of old games. From there i will only buy it if it has something interesting, while N is here to stay for me as a staple. Though still need to buy UFC for fight nights with spouse, so xbox might stick around for GTA and UFC.

I didn't understand why my neighbor could swear by his switch while i was rocking Series S with everything better than Switch. But i found out it has a lore behind it, as long as hardcore gaming is covered or not needed (better FIFA, Racing sims and RDR, GTA, UFC like titles that should not be played on switch).

 

[Ethosik]

Nope inflation isn't a reason either because Xbox just announced record profits. All companies are making record profits every year regardless of any inflation. It is all just greed.

Problem with publicly traded companies you need to not just make $1 profit. You must make a GOOD profit. And a good CFO/CEO/etc will see upcoming trends and apply changes NOW before it’s “a horrible financial year, so we need to increase prices MORE to get back on track”

 

[Pezimak]

Problem with publicly traded companies you need to not just make $1 profit. You must make a GOOD profit. And a good CFO/CEO/etc will see upcoming trends and apply changes NOW before it’s “a horrible financial year, so we need to increase prices MORE to get back on track”

And that is the definition of their pure greed. They don't 'need' to make GOOD profit at all. The only people who need that are greedy investors, and the board on multi million pay packages hundreds of times their entire corporations average pay.

The only up coming trends in the games market will be Xbox and PlayStation collapsing as they price themselves out of it. Xbox first.

 

[Ethosik]

And that is the definition of their pure greed. They don't 'need' to make GOOD profit at all. The only people who need that are greedy investors, and the board on multi million pay packages hundreds of times their entire corporations average pay.

The only up coming trends in the games market will be Xbox and PlayStation collapsing as they price themselves out of it. Xbox first.

They are required by law to do so. Most big big companies that are public need to adhere to shareholders, and most of those want companies to MAXIMIZE profits.

 

[salamanderjuice]

They are required by law to do so. Most big big companies that are public need to adhere to shareholders, and most of those want companies to MAXIMIZE profits.

No they aren't. That's a myth.

The Shareholder Value Myth

Shareholder-value thinking dominates the business world today. Professors, policymakers, and business leaders routinely chant the mantras that public ...

corpgov.law.harvard.edu

 

[Ethosik]

No they aren't. That's a myth.

The Shareholder Value Myth

Shareholder-value thinking dominates the business world today. Professors, policymakers, and business leaders routinely chant the mantras that public ...

corpgov.law.harvard.edu

I was literally trained by experts when some of my businesses were about to go public. It is not a myth that they need to adhere to shareholders, it is the law.

What Are a Business's Fiduciary Duties to Investors?

Business leaders have several fiduciary duties to investors and shareholders. Learn what those are and why they’re important.

online.hbs.edu

We decided not to go public in the end because we wanted to remain in complete control.

 

[Pezimak]

I was literally trained by experts when some of my businesses were about to go public. It is not a myth that they need to adhere to shareholders, it is the law.

What Are a Business's Fiduciary Duties to Investors?

Business leaders have several fiduciary duties to investors and shareholders. Learn what those are and why they’re important.

online.hbs.edu

We decided not to go public in the end because we wanted to remain in complete control.

So if a company has a bad year does the board go to jail? Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds? Ever heard of the term if you can't afford to lose it then don't invest it?

 

[salamanderjuice]

I was literally trained by experts when some of my businesses were about to go public. It is not a myth that they need to adhere to shareholders, it is the law.

What Are a Business's Fiduciary Duties to Investors?

Business leaders have several fiduciary duties to investors and shareholders. Learn what those are and why they’re important.

online.hbs.edu

We decided not to go public in the end because we wanted to remain in complete control.

It's not the law. I pointed you to a literal book written by a business law professor at Cornell about how it's a myth. It's a myth.

Businesses do have some obligations to shareholders but they don't have to maximize profits by law.

 

[Ethosik]

It's not the law. I pointed you to a literal book written by a business law professor at Cornell about how it's a myth. It's a myth.

Businesses do have some obligations to shareholders but they don't have to maximize profits by law.

I didn't say they needed to maximize profits, I said they need to adhere to shareholders and MOST of those want maximize profits especially in big tech. We were told one of the first things we had to do was cut X percentage of our staff JUST to make our profit margins better. We were fine where we were, so we wanted to remain in control and we decided not to go forward with it.

So if a company has a bad year does the board go to jail? Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds? Ever heard of the term if you can't afford to lose it then don't invest it?

Adhering to shareholders is the law, if they do not do that, they are in for legal trouble. Immediate jail time probably not. Removal from the board and company and a fine possibly.

We have literally seen proof of this in reports, like Southwest Airlines / Google / Meta was forced to layoff people due to shareholder demand to improve the financial performance of the company.

And this is why I hate public companies because you are right - it is ridiculous. All the big tech is making horrible decisions and ALL evidence is maximizing profits. I HATE public companies for this reason, and is why I voiced my opinion with the company I was with at the time because part of my team was on the chopping block, I told them it was ridiculous that we needed those employees, and it would be long term failure for the company. Good news was CEO was close with me and he was already having doubts too, so we backed out.

 

[Pezimak]

I didn't say they needed to maximize profits, I said they need to adhere to shareholders and MOST of those want maximize profits especially in big tech. We were told one of the first things we had to do was cut X percentage of our staff JUST to make our profit margins better. We were fine where we were, so we wanted to remain in control and we decided not to go forward with it.



Adhering to shareholders is the law, if they do not do that, they are in for legal trouble. Immediate jail time probably not. Removal from the board and company and a fine possibly.

We have literally seen proof of this in reports, like Southwest Airlines / Google / Meta was forced to layoff people due to shareholder demand to improve the financial performance of the company.

And this is why I hate public companies because you are right - it is ridiculous. All the big tech is making horrible decisions and ALL evidence is maximizing profits. I HATE public companies for this reason, and is why I voiced my opinion with the company I was with at the time because part of my team was on the chopping block, I told them it was ridiculous that we needed those employees, and it would be long term failure for the company. Good news was CEO was close with me and he was already having doubts too, so we backed out.

And you have been proven wrong. I have NEVER heard of ANY member of a board being sacked because the company didn’t make record profits for a year, and if so that is an American thing only I would say.

 

[Ethosik]

And you have been proven wrong. I have NEVER heard of ANY member of a board being sacked because the company didn’t make record profits for a year, and if so that is an American thing only I would say.

I didn’t say record profits. Read my original post. I went the other extreme that shareholders won’t be happy if you just make $1 in profits. I said you need to think LONG TERM. You make record profits this year/quarter. But will you in the next few? Do you need to change costs NOW before you suffer MAJOR profit loss where you need to rebound to recover? Either increase cost more than reasonable or have RIFs.

 

[MacRazySwe]

I feel this generation of gaming has been so ruined by all the downloads, MVP releases (as in Minimum Viable Product) micro transactions, lack of new games et.c.

Case in point, I had a bit of free time this morning and thought I would play an old Call of Duty I had lying around. Install was 50GB and took 45 mins. I can live with that. However, next up - excited and ready to play, I launched the game and lo and behold. "A required update is needed to start the game". That's another 33GB and 30 mins of my time.

An hour later, and I'm not even excited to play anymore. The fact that you need to plan your time around these stupid downloads, installs and updates just takes the joy out of it.

WHY, oh why, can't the update be downloaded while the install is taking place? That's the very least they could have done.

Console gaming used to be fun and simple. Now it's just not.

#Rantover.

 

[Ethosik]

I feel this generation of gaming has been so ruined by all the downloads, MVP releases (as in Minimum Viable Product) micro transactions, lack of new games et.c.

Case in point, I had a bit of free time this morning and thought I would play an old Call of Duty I had lying around. Install was 50GB and took 45 mins. I can live with that. However, next up - excited and ready to play, I launched the game and lo and behold. "A required update is needed to start the game". That's another 33GB and 30 mins of my time.

An hour later, and I'm not even excited to play anymore. The fact that you need to plan your time around these stupid downloads, installs and updates just takes the joy out of it.

WHY, oh why, can't the update be downloaded while the install is taking place? That's the very least they could have done.

Console gaming used to be fun and simple. Now it's just not.

#Rantover.

I fully agree. Console gaming isn't that fun and neither is PC gaming. I have literally almost the best hardware for gaming and I experience micro-stutters and bad performance like crazy. This is 2025, we should have 1080p60 be at a MINIMUM of base output. Not 960p30 upscaled to 1080p with frame generation to hit 60. And there are games that are worse than this!

 

[Pezimak]

I didn’t say record profits. Read my original post. I went the other extreme that shareholders won’t be happy if you just make $1 in profits. I said you need to think LONG TERM. You make record profits this year/quarter. But will you in the next few? Do you need to change costs NOW before you suffer MAJOR profit loss where you need to rebound to recover? Either increase cost more than reasonable or have RIFs.

Bringing it back to the thread…. You can argue it as you like, but Microsoft WILL sell less consoles now, so their strategy makes little sense beyond Game Pass.

 

[diamond.g]

Bringing it back to the thread…. You can argue it as you like, but Microsoft WILL sell less consoles now, so their strategy makes little sense beyond Game Pass.

This is the first console generation where there have been no price cuts this far into the generation. More specifically this is the first time MS hasn’t reduced the price of a console.