Xiaomi Takes on iPhone 7 Series With 'Mi 5s' and Dual-Lens 'Mi 5s Plus'

[69Mustang]

A guy I went to high school with could never keep a job after he graduated. Always had some excuse like he wasn't getting paid enough, the boss was a jerk, the co-workers weren't doing their share of work, someone else was taking credit for his work and on and on. Every 6 months a new job, year after year. I finally got sick of hearing him complain about it so I told him straight up: "Do you think every single company you work for has a problem? Maybe you need to look at yourself since that's the only thing in common between all these businesses."

You've used this "down the rabbit hole" line on several posters here, including myself. At some point you have to question whether everyone else has a problem, or the one thing they all have in common (you) has the problem.

Autobiographical anecdote? Cool story bro. I've claimed rabbit hole on two people @Relentless Power and you. Both instances were rabbit hole exercises in futility, figurative ouroboros of circular debate with neither side relinquishing point.

You're confused. I don't have a problem with you, Relentless, or anyone on this forum. I like needling Relentless for his creative word usage and unique outlook on life. Your post typically hold no interest for me so I rarely ever reply to them. I mostly read past them shaking my head. In the real world, differences of opinion don't constitute having a problem.

But that story... top notch.

 

[I7guy]

Android OEMs started doing monthly security updates now. Not just nexus phone, major Android makers do that, like Samsung, HTC and LG.

Android also updates core apps and Google Play services by means play store update.

Apple updates everything through OS updates. Once certain model no longer gets software updates, it no longer receive any updates. Where Android, you can at least gets updates to core apps, say Chrome.





My Nexus 5X and 6P, also my Xiaomi mi5 bugs differ. There are virtually no lags.

You're right after 5 years Apple stops updating it's devices. So the 4s and ipad 2 are at the end, unless another ios 9 update is released. I don't know if android devices circa 2010 are getting any updates. (2010 was not a typo).

 

[LovingTeddy]

You're right after 5 years Apple stops updating it's devices. So the 4s and ipad 2 are at the end, unless another ios 9 update is released. I don't know if android devices circa 2010 are getting any updates. (2010 was not a typo).

Android OEMs usually support 18 months after release. At least for Nexus line up.

Though Android updates apps by play store. So bugs on Core apps (like Chrome, Gmail and Google Play) are updated even if you still running Android 4.0.

That is not possible by way of iOS. Apple updates Safari or Music or Maps by way of OS updates. There is no reason that Apple cannot update these app individually.

If there is security issue happens to Safari, iPhone 4S and below cannot get patched, where If there is security holes with Chrome, all Android devices will receive update.

The only thing affects Android would OS bugs.

 

[pika2000]

You get what you paid for

Nevertheless, Android is great as it gives us cheap smartphones. Nowadays, $100-$200 Android phones are decent, and $300 Android phones are great. It means you can have a secondary or even 3rd smartphone for backup. It is also useful for travelling to countries where showing off your iPhone means you are getting mugged.

 

[smacrumon]

This five years where they won and maintained the title of the biggest company in the world?

Today, Zirel. We are talking about today. The competitors have caught right up. One point difference.
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Fixed it for you.

Glass in one sense is ceramic, go look it up. You should start your sweeping statement with explanations as to why such a thing or feature is necessary. Let's start with this, explain why Apple should make the iPhone out of ceramic glass.

Care to do an apples to apples comparison, such as - Does Mi integrated home button have the same functional architecture as the iPhone - Sensing, storage and retrieval of the fingerprint. I don't even know if Android requires manufacturers to have a specific hardware like the iPhone's secure enclave for fingerprint security. The question I would ask is, if the Mi's implementation just a secure as an iPhone implementation.

Antenna bands - Describe the physics as how that would be implemented - as in, do the implementations of removal of antenna bands then need separate antennas to augment reduced or lost capability of body integrated antenna. If that's the case then is the trade worth performing. That would be an educated request.

I can go on, instead let's state these change requests as educated/well informed requests and not change for the sake of change.

If Apple doesn't add features that you want, are you going to start your phone company that makes phone with all the important features that you want? I am sure such a phone will outsell the iPhone. Wait that's been attempted before, Android OEMs have tried that and have not succeeded. Your turn.

That's the trade off that Apple already made for all users, for your perceived use case 0.7mm is an acceptable compromise for you, but that might not be the same for all users. Another user might find it acceptable to have 7mm thicker iPhone for the extra battery capacity, what should Apple do, probably make it twice as thick as it is now. Apple definitely wont do that. You do have options of buying other phones that might have what you seek.

My company is considering such ambitions, but we won't use Android. We have our own OS ready to go. Think it through a little. Ceramic glass was used in white iPhone 4/4s/5/5s/SE, it is radio transparent and means you do away with antenna bands forever. It just makes sense.

 

[I7guy]

Android OEMs usually support 18 months after release. At least for Nexus line up.

Though Android updates apps by play store. So bugs on Core apps (like Chrome, Gmail and Google Play) are updated even if you still running Android 4.0.

That is not possible by way of iOS. Apple updates Safari or Music or Maps by way of OS updates. There is no reason that Apple cannot update these app individually.

If there is security issue happens to Safari, iPhone 4S and below cannot get patched, where If there is security holes with Chrome, all Android devices will receive update.

The only thing affects Android would OS bugs.

And for OS issues, apple will issue an update. So basically what it boils down to is this. Apple seems to provide updates to it's software for 5 years+. Third party software as long as it runs on your IOS version, is updated indefinitely per the app developer. My guess is IOS 9 will be fully supported in the near future. Which means support for 4s, ipad 2 and above. Iphone 4 and below is not supported. Seems pretty impressive they are supporting more of their hardware like this than not.

 

[sidewinder3000]

I can't say I would buy this phone as a primary device but I would certainly have one for the kids.

I am a big fan of Xiaomi products and have used their stuff for quite some time. I own a number of their security cameras and they are outstanding, along with battery chargers, cables and more.

Ultimately, it's tremendous value for money and at one third the cost of an iPhone, great for people who cannot afford an Apple product.

I think it's great.

Never in a 1000 years would I support shameless corporate scum like Xiaomi. No pride. No identity of their own. Stealing brand assets from superior competitions is their DNA. Companies like this are a disease. In a world where international companies can rip-off the identity & innovation of American companies without consequence, it will be increasingly difficult for U.S. firms to compete.

 

[symphara]

You're right after 5 years Apple stops updating it's devices. So the 4s and ipad 2 are at the end, unless another ios 9 update is released. I don't know if android devices circa 2010 are getting any updates. (2010 was not a typo).

Yes but they aren't really meaningful updates. My Nov 2013 iPad sees no real improvements or new features in new iOS updates (iOS 10 brought no difference whatsoever, as far as I could see, I couldn't see any change from 9), and the situation is identical for my 2011 MacBook Air. The only change Sierra brought to me was breaking some small applications I quite liked, like MiniUsage and HardwareGrowler. Since all their new OS features now involve the iPhone/iWatch/iCloud - and I have no interest in these - Sierra brought virtually nothing new. Nor is the laptop faster or any different - it's the same.

So while you can say that Apple supports its older devices, this is a nominal support. They actually do very little for them.

Plus, Apple has to do these updates since so many of their apps aren't individually updated. For example, iTunes or Safari.

On Android, lots of things including low-level stuff like Google Now, Google Play Services etc and of course all the apps are updated through the Play Store. So in effect you're kept up-to-date, even if your core OS doesn't change.

 

[lowendlinux]

Has it been a whole week since our last Android v iOS debate? Man time does fly on the internet.

 

[iPlayStation]

I am Chinese but fed up about Chinese products keeping copying things. I know they need to learn to catchup before being innovative. Da*fu*q about the name of 5s. Can't it be something else such as 5.x, 5#, 5@, 5~ etc. anything but 5s. Too lazy to think even for the name? Da*fu*q....

 

[I7guy]

Yes but they aren't really meaningful updates. My Nov 2013 iPad sees no real improvements or new features in new iOS updates (iOS 10 brought no difference whatsoever, as far as I could see, I couldn't see any change from 9), and the situation is identical for my 2011 MacBook Air. The only change Sierra brought to me was breaking some small applications I quite liked, like MiniUsage and HardwareGrowler. Since all their new OS features now involve the iPhone/iWatch/iCloud - and I have no interest in these - Sierra brought virtually nothing new. Nor is the laptop faster or any different - it's the same.

So while you can say that Apple supports its older devices, this is a nominal support. They actually do very little for them.

Plus, Apple has to do these updates since so many of their apps aren't individually updated. For example, iTunes or Safari.

On Android, lots of things including low-level stuff like Google Now, Google Play Services etc and of course all the apps are updated through the Play Store. So in effect you're kept up-to-date, even if your core OS doesn't change.

So you still get o/s updates plus all third party apps forever for 5 year old devices. What ever is in those updates is it but you still get them.

 

[symphara]

So you still get o/s updates plus all third party apps forever for 5 year old devices. What ever is in those updates is it but you still get them.

As far as I can tell, for older hardware, these Apple "updates" are more or less agreeing with their 30-page terms and conditions. So yes, you get to agree to Apple having all sorts of rights over you, periodically. Whatever does it for you, I guess!

 

[I7guy]

As far as I can tell, for older hardware, these Apple "updates" are more or less agreeing with their 30-page terms and conditions. So yes, you get to agree to Apple having all sorts of rights over you, periodically. Whatever does it for you, I guess!

Well to the last point you have to agree to something to install any Apple related software at all. It is what it is. However You can be sure google has all sorts of rights over you as well as your handset manufacturer. Apple just makes sure you know about it each and every time.

 

[1041958]

Yet more lies... more hyperbole... perhaps you should just stop, stop making gerneralising spam comments only to then admit they don't pertain to the biggest contributors to Android sales. Lies and lies...

Sorry, not going to stop telling the truth.

Android will never be as secure as iOS. It's impossible as Google can't update devices because they're too much of a coward to force OEMs to provide updates. So people are stuck waiting and waiting and waiting.

So so sorry the truth upsets you. If you want to be coddled I suggest AndroidCentral or any number of Android forums where you can all hang around patting each other on the back telling yourselves "It's OK."

 

[Radon87000]

As far as I can tell, for older hardware, these Apple "updates" are more or less agreeing with their 30-page terms and conditions. So yes, you get to agree to Apple having all sorts of rights over you, periodically. Whatever does it for you, I guess!

And dont forget iOS updates cripple old devices

 

[sentiblue]

Let's get one thing very clear here.....

They didn't "respond" to anything...
They simply copied most of everything and call it a competition.... they can't even figure out a good naming scheme so they decided to copy that too.

 

[beanbaguk]

Never in a 1000 years would I support shameless corporate scum like Xiaomi. No pride. No identity of their own. Stealing brand assets from superior competitions is their DNA. Companies like this are a disease. In a world where international companies can rip-off the identity & innovation of American companies without consequence, it will be increasingly difficult for U.S. firms to compete.

Maybe if US firms weren't so ridiculously shameless in patenting their farts, we wouldn't have this problem?

 

[I7guy]

And dont forget iOS updates cripple old devices

And breathe new life into them, security updates, functionality updates and performance updates. (Such an on-topic post being responded to with absolutely no hyperbole in there at all)

 

[cube]

Is cloning the marketing really necessary?

 

[Radon87000]

And breathe new life into them, security updates, functionality updates and performance updates. (Such an on-topic post being responded to with absolutely no hyperbole in there at all)

Ah yes.Those are some nice security updates there.They are so efficient to the point of making me not want to use the device anymore which is the best solution for not getting infected.New functionality slows down the device too

 

[I7guy]

Ah yes.Those are some nice security updates there.They are so efficient to the point of making me not want to use the device anymore which is the best solution for not getting infected.New functionality slows down the device too

We've already established your device has issues. My families 5s and 6 exhibits no such behaviors. New functionality, well it's new functionality; that's it.

 

[Radon87000]

We've already established your device has issues. My families 5s and 6 exhibits no such behaviors. New functionality, well it's new functionality; that's it.

And we already established that there were 4 other members with similar issues.We have also established there is a class action law suit against Apple on planned obsolescence.So all of our devices are faulty?

Oh and wanna see terribad lag on iPhone 6.After opening 30 apps scroll to the extreme left of the app switcher.Then quickly swipe back to the right to jump to the home card.Theres tons of frame skips and pauses.PO at its finest as this didnt happen on iOS 8.4.1 or 9

 

[I7guy]

And we already established that there were 4 other members with similar issues.We have also established there is a class action law suit against Apple on planned obsolescence.So all of our devices are faulty?

Oh and wanna see terribad lag on iPhone 6.After opening 30 apps scroll to the extreme left of the app switcher.Then quickly swipe back to the right to jump to the home card.Theres tons of frame skips and pauses.PO at its finest as this didnt happen on iOS 8.4.1 or 9

4 out tens of millions. Doesn't seem like a very large sample size. As far as lawsuits, I'm sure Apple with either win it or get it dismissed. As far as iOS 8, if you like auto-reboot it's the iOS version for you, it pains me to say. iOS 9 is the best iOS release since iOS 5.

Anyway another thread shot with off-topic talk about the usual suspects, planned obsolescence, iOS 8 vs iOS 9 etc

 

[beanbaguk]

4 out tens of millions. Doesn't seem like a very large sample size. As far as lawsuits, I'm sure Apple with either win it or get it dismissed. As far as iOS 8, if you like auto-reboot it's the iOS version for you, it pains me to say. iOS 9 is the best iOS release since iOS 5.

Anyway another thread shot with off-topic talk about the usual suspects, planned obsolescence, iOS 8 vs iOS 9 etc

Total delusion.

My mothers iPad Mini became so unresponsive after the iOS 8 update, we literally had to throw it away.

Apple will also win or get the lawsuit dismissed as they have too much money to beat them these days.

Ultimately, it is for another topic but we're not talking 4 out of millions. We're talking millions out of millions. Planned obsolescence is a key Apple strategy.

 

[I7guy]

Total delusion.

My mothers iPad Mini became so unresponsive after the iOS 8 update, we literally had to throw it away.

Apple will also win or get the lawsuit dismissed as they have too much money to beat them these days.

Ultimately, it is for another topic but we're not talking 4 out of millions. We're talking millions out of millions. Planned obsolescence is a key Apple strategy.

How do you know how many? People have been saying iOS 8 crippled their iPad 2. Mine is perfectly usable. Differing perceptions? No you don't know how many and the planned obsolescence is just tin foil material.