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So if the iPad screen is larger.....screen size is no longer an issue? :rolleyes:

You don't see that as a problem? Limiting yourself to one manufacturer and one OS. At least with an Android device you have the ability to shop different tablet manufacturers and phone manufacturers.

It is clearly obvious Apple's way of doing things is really working to their advantage. Trap your customers so they don't want to leave since they have everything invested in you.

I am simply content with my iPad's size. I wouldn't really want to go smaller or larger. I'm also content with the current resolution. Sure, higher is always good but I wouldn't replace my current device for that benefit.

And why would I want ports that I do not use? I could have a USB port and FW800 port on the dash of my car. That would be about as useful to me as ports on my tablet.. and just as ugly too. Plus with a slim device, from an engineering perspective they are just weak points in the structure.

Lastly, I don't view the Apple ecosystem as a negative at all.. certainly not a trap. In fact I view it as a massive positive, the biggest one in fact. It's rich in quality content across the board, and I don't have to worry about apps that are full of malware or other nonsense. On the Droid side I see an ecosystem that's NOT full of quality content, where I do have to worry about malware and nonsense. Why would I invest in that? And the investment part is simple. It's no different than not wanting to switch from Windows to OSX simply because you have a lot of software that you wish to use for Windows. After all, the biggest part of the equation here is software. Whether it be apps, video, audio, whatever.. you need to invest in a platform that provides access to what you want or need.
 
You're talking about shopping for the hardware itself? Most consumers will be doing that once every two years. If Apple continues to make high quality hardware that's been optimized for their OS and applications, then that's a good thing.

And besides, once someone invests $200+ in Android tablet apps, will they necessarily want to abandon that software and leave for iOS? What's the diff?

Apple's hardware is high quality...nobody can argue that. What they are lacking in is features you'd expect in 2010. USB port at least. SD card slot is nice too. Then we look at their OS and see no Flash. Seriously. No flash on an internet device in 2010?.

What my point was is that Android has an opportunity to really capture the market since they aren't tied to one device. You don't like the Xoom, but want android? Check out the other offerings that may be more to your liking (SD slots, USB ports, larger/smaller screen, different screen material, possibly removable batteries, etc. etc. etc..). With Apple the only choices you get are you want and iPad or nothing. If you choose the iPad you only choices are the amount of HDD space and if you want 3G or not.
 
No flash on an internet device in 2010?

Well this point has the potential to derail the thread into a beaten horse.

But yeah I have to agree with this one. If you're into watching porn and advertisements, flash is a must-have. ;)
 
Well this point has the potential to derail the thread into a beaten horse.

But yeah I have to agree with this one. If you're into watching porn and advertisements, flash is a must-have. ;)

Or if you like going to websites that aren't message boards. This weekend I was looking at hotels and I was unable to access a few sections because their site had Flash.
 
Or if you like going to websites that aren't message boards. This weekend I was looking at hotels and I was unable to access a few sections because their site had Flash.

There are some live auction sites in the UK where you can take part in live auctions happening in sale rooms around the UK, and place bids on items, as you are too far away to travel there in person.

Guess what, you need Flash to do this.

Also, I believe virtually every one of the UK main news web sites, TV news and Newspaper news are still using Flash.
 
With Apple the only choices you get are you want and iPad or nothing. If you choose the iPad you only choices are the amount of HDD space and if you want 3G or not.

You might add a port here and there with different launchers and all, but at the end you get the same Android experience. Worse, a 7 inch tablet requires a significantly different UI structure from a 10 inch tablet. Will enough developers actively make apps that are optimized for each different size or will 7 inch tablets have to do with mostly enlarged phone apps?

The problem with Android is that even if you have a great hardware, often you don't have apps to fully take advantage of it. Look at the Samsung Galaxy S phones like the Vibrant, etc. They have really fast 3D hardware, but it was never fully utilized because game developers didn't want to put effort to optimize their games just for the Galaxy S phones. As result the iPhone users, who have an inferior GPU, ended up with better looking games.
 
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Again, (for all of you that have never worked in marketing)

Xoom $699 or $799 ? Well we will find out when they become available, price keeps flip flopping. For all Best Buy knows, it could be $599.

iPad $499 to $829.

Xoom don't want 3G or GPS ? Tough tit, you're gonna pay for it.
iPad don't want 3G or GPS ? Here you go, let me knock off $130 for you.
How much storage would you like ?

Apple has one for almost anyone. Plus with the iPad, with the exception of 3G/ GPS, you get the same experience across the board. If you buy a cheaper Andriod tablet, say the TouchFly2 for $200, you get a resistive, non multitouch touch screen, no mic, slower CPU, and lower resolution screen. A totally different user experience.
 
There are some live auction sites in the UK where you can take part in live auctions happening in sale rooms around the UK, and place bids on items, as you are too far away to travel there in person.

Guess what, you need Flash to do this.

Also, I believe virtually every one of the UK main news web sites, TV news and Newspaper news are still using Flash.

I think my fantasy football live scoring tracker is flash based too. That will bother me during football season
 
If you buy a cheaper Andriod tablet, say the TouchFly2 for $200, you get a resistive, non multitouch touch screen, no mic, slower CPU, and lower resolution screen. A totally different user experience.

But you'll probably get Flash ;)
 
But you'll probably get Flash ;)

No, many mid to low end Android devices don't have Flash even if they come/upgraded to Froyo. I have a decently high end Android phone and it still often chokes when I enable Flash, not to mention resizing is often very iffy. If you get a cheapo Android device you probably don't want to use Flash or don't even get to have one out of box.
 
Guess what, you need Flash to do this.

Also, I believe virtually every one of the UK main news web sites, TV news and Newspaper news are still using Flash.

Why would you want flash on the browser to view these websites when you could download another app from the app store? :rolleyes:

Xoom don't want 3G or GPS ? Tough tit, you're gonna pay for it.

There will be a WiFi only version (not sure if it has GPS or not).
 
Then we look at their OS and see no Flash. Seriously. No flash on an internet device in 2010?.

How is this Apple's fault? They do not make flash. Lets see Adobe produce a decent mobile client first, then we can talk about putting it on the iPad.
 
How is this Apple's fault? They do not make flash. Lets see Adobe produce a decent mobile client first, then we can talk about putting it on the iPad.

Some people see it as Apple's fault that they wont give the users the choice of running a crappy performing, cpu and battery hogging, largely incompatible Flash or not.
 
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azentropy said:
How is this Apple's fault? They do not make flash. Lets see Adobe produce a decent mobile client first, then we can talk about putting it on the iPad.

Some people see it as Apple's fault that they wont give the users the choice of running a crappy performing, cpu and battery hogging, largely incompatible Flash or not.

For right or wrong, Apple could at least give their users the option to view flash based websites and movies.

Ah well..
 
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For right or wrong, Apple could at least give their users the option to view flash based websites and movies.

Ah well..

But they don't. So just vote with your wallet.
 
Really? 4g,32GB,10.1" screen, USB, HDMI, 2 camera's,1GB ram,Gyroscoop, barometer,microSDHC , dual core CPU,faster GPU

The Ipad 3G 32 GB is 699

add 40$ for 32GB of microSDHC

Ipad 3g 64GB is 799 or almost the same price but the xoom has a lot more the ipad lacks.

I would say the Xoom is the better deal hardware wise.
You're comparing a year-old product to a brand new tablet about to go on sale any week now. A fair comparison? I think not.
 
You're comparing a year-old product to a brand new tablet about to go on sale any week now. A fair comparison? I think not.

Maybe it's not, but if we still only have iPad ver1 when Xoom comes out, the choice will be iPad ver1 or Xoom.

I wonder what the barometer will be used for? Maybe to check your local weather without going online.

It will be used with the GPS for more precise altitude calculations.
 
Still requiring Flash to use your website in 2011 ? Goes both ways.
Since HTML 5 will not even be a final standard until sometime next year requiring it is kind of short sited.
Goes even more ways

You're comparing a year-old product to a brand new tablet about to go on sale any week now. A fair comparison? I think not.

When that is the only spec of a product out what can you do. It will be compaired to the iPad 2 once there are actual specs out.
 
Hardware tech always outpace software. Plus, computer companies build computers annually. Certain specs are important though: processor chip, RAM, storage, battery life, graphics. 1ghz is enough! duo core is not necessary till software demands it! 1st gen iPad does need more ram, but no software actually require it yet. Xoom claims close to 10 hours of battery life which I assume it means with minimal use and adjustments. Guess we will see when it comes out! Graphics are amazing on the iPad. Infinity blade, Dead space 2 are couple games on the iPad that shows how amazing.

Plus Xoom will not have any apps on day 1! Image the android phones apps scaled up to 10.1 inch!! Plus, honeycomb is brand new!! It is likely to be buggy!!

iPad 2 likely to have 1.2 ghz a9 chip duo core, 1gb ram, duo cameras, gyroscope, barometer, wifi,3g, retina display (maybe), sd slot, hd speakers, etc.

iPhone 4, iPod touch 4: both have retina display. I suspect iPad 2 will have it too (if not definitely iPad 3).
 
Right. So we make a comparison between a tech product that's been on the market for nearly a year and one that's almost a month away from being released.

HTC Hero: (July 2009)
320 × 480 px
528 MHz ARM11 CPU
288 MB RAM
256 MB Flash

Apple iPhone 4: (June 2010)
640 x 960 px
800 MHz Cortex A8 CPU with PowerVR 535
512 MB RAM
16 GB Flash

Yeah sadly you are forgetting the most important part:

htc hero : 275€
Iphone 4 : 650€

No wonder it has a better spec.



Seeing the small increments of improvements the ipad 2 will have (no I dont believe in the rumors its going to be un uber tablet that doubles everything and adds everything but a coffee machine) I have no doubt the Xoom will even be comparable/better (ahrdware wise) with the ipad 2 .
 
As opposed to everything being centered around a Google account and Google services including its market? (I use an Android phone BTW) Currently there's nothing more "trapping" about iOS than the Android at all unless you make your own apps.

With android you can be asured that plenty of manufacturers are going to bring out plenty of choice.

With apple you are stuck with the 1 or 2 apple releases each year.

So no, you have little choice with iOS compared to android . I think once people have invested in the iOS platform and want to change they are going to realise this.
 
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