Yea, no thanks.

[BostonQuad]

Wow. 16% buyers is a huge favorable percentage for such a not-really-known, expensive device. Apple should be thrilled (except of course we do not know the characteristics of the by-definition-not-random cohort voting).

I agree. For such a questionable product, 16% strikes me as high, even if it is only polling Apple fans.

I recall the Apple Watch also being questionable when introduced (though I think not as questionable as VP is now). There was a similar poll here when it was introduced. Then, 31% of respondents said they were getting the Watch. Yes, that number is twice as favorable. But if VP achieves only half the success of the Watch, that would be impressive.

 

[NervousFish2]

If I had the money, I would absolutely be buying one of these. The more I learn about it, the more amazing it sounds.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

I agree. For such a questionable product, 16% strikes me as high, even if it is only polling Apple fans.

I recall the Apple Watch also being questionable when introduced (though I think not as questionable as VP is now). There was a similar poll here when it was introduced. Then, 31% of respondents said they were getting the Watch. Yes, that number is twice as favorable. But if VP achieves only half the success of the Watch, that would be impressive.

The poll referenced was on Twitter I believe, so not just Apple fans.

 

[Mackie924]

it is though? Not immediately, but it signals the end. VHS movies were being released when BluRay launched, 9 years after DVD. DVDs are still released today, decades into streaming and HD content. Vinyl outsells the CDs that replaced it. But despite that all those formats are over. VHS died in the 90's, DVD in the 2000s, CDs in the 2000s, Vinyl by about 1990. They're dead, killed by progress, but still in use. 2D screens are now on borrowed time as the primary way to use content, realistically they have been for years, but the VisionOS launch has made that timeline much more clear and real to many people. When you can get a VisionAir pass through AR glasses device for under $2k in the late 2020s, who will also buy a cellphone, a mac, an ipad, a watch, a TV, or anything else? The VisionAir can and will be any screen you need or want at anytime, plus allow for experiences 2D media can never match (watch the game "courtside" while on a train 2000 miles away? why not!)

Lol, ok Apple marketer.

 

[BostonQuad]

The poll referenced was on Twitter I believe, so not just Apple fans.

[Edit] Ah, the VP poll was on Twitter, yes. Thanks for pointing that out. I think that makes the figure of 16% more noteworthy.

 

[BeatCrazy]

I'm not flashing a $3500 piece of electronic toy in a public space for it to be stolen. I don't even like taking my phone out that much in public.

This was the same paranoia that people had whenever iPhone prices crossed that magic $1000 MSRP.

Do iPhones still get ripped out of people's hands? Sure. But most people don't live in fear of it.

And consider the Vision Pro is tied to Optic ID, its value as a stolen item is even more marginalized than an iPhone, which has a larger market for used parts/components.

 

[drumcat]

This is the laziest possible response…

So is your argument just insert any technology.. And anybody skeptical of any portion of it is just wrong?

What about Betamax folks?
How about minidisc?

We could be here all night

No, a big set of headphones would have looked disturbing to those who first took a huge contraption of small speakers and actually had the audacity to *wear* them.

The laziness is that you're suggesting this was about tech, not form factor.

 

[Bobbuilds69]

If you don’t like it and it’s not for you, then don’t get it. Simple as that.

 

[zakarhino]

Well, I think people feeling like they have to connected every minute of the day is a problem, be it iPads and phones or goggles. The problem is the total immersion. Seems like a fun gimmick, but I want to be able to leave it at work or what have you. Is this apple’s answer to remote work? So you can be on task all day long? What’s the point of coming in to work if you can do it all virtually? While I still think people, especially the medically vulnerable should get to choose to work from home, I don’t know a major tech company that isn’t struggling to bring its workforce back to the office. What’s the reasoning? Aside from getting the most out of those shiny buildings, it’s that they claim there’s a real value to in person human interaction. With the use cases apple has presented, doesn’t that undermine that argument?

Yeah my dad thought it was funny how the company that doesn’t want people working from home also unveil a device with a demo segment dedicated to remote work. They don’t even believe in their own product. Pathetic.

 

[cupcakes2000]

That's me. I would in no way buy this thing instead of a high end laptop. Never in a million years.

This answer alone demonstrates a good part of the problem (not seeing the wood for the trees).
Things progress, and in far, far less time than the million years you imagine them to be around, laptops and anything like them will be a relic of the past.

 

[H. Flower]

I've always been appreciate of the iphone as one of the most impactful inventions ever, but recently I've begun to become more aware of some of the negative affects it's had on my and others' lives, bolstered by more studies being released.

While I'm sure this thing has upsides that we're only beginning to understand, the shot of the dad watching his children play through goggles struck me as depressing.

I dunno....

 

[CloudChief]

This answer alone demonstrates a good part of the problem (not seeing the wood for the trees).
Things progress, and in far, far less time than the million years you imagine them to be around, laptops and anything like them will be a relic of the past.

I think we need more information before we can say it will replace certain devices. I agree that this has the potential to replace the laptop form factor but not the OS. Will this be an open system like MacOS? I doubt it. Can we use it to program? I have a feeling the software that this runs will be closer to iPadOS than MacOS. I could be wrong though. (I hope so.) But we've been arguing 'what's a computer' for years now, and it's a Mac. I can't even add mp3 files from the files app to the music app on my iPad.
Plus how well will it work with non-Apple devices? Is this the AR Apple Watch? What about external drives? Feels like a missed opportunity not to have an hdmi port so that I can use my PS5 and Xbox with it. (But , then again, the original iPad was criticised for that sort of thing. They do let you connect external drives now, though.)

I'm not saying this doesn't look cool or have potential though! I'm really interested in hearing everyone's opinion on it.

We're probably going to have lots of circular arguments based on specific use cases and semantics haha.

 

[Shirasaki]

they don’t want people strapped to this thing all day every day. they want people using it for its useful purposes

Oh yeah, as if developer’s intention never got twisted, misunderstood or abused. Or the knife was only used for cooking instead of killing people.
Apple can limit their use using software, but they can only go so far.

That’s a pretty optimistic view of capitalism. Apple wants to move units. Period. If it comes at the expense of mental health, it’s just business. It’s not just apple, it’s what companies are in business for.

Yes. When was the time company ever care about the greater good of society without profit in mind? I’d argue not even a single second. If law forces them to care, they will raise the price to compensate.

As I've gotten older and older, I've become so much more aware how much happier I am doing things in person and outside ... real direct in person human and nature interaction.

I’ve been living alone in the past 30+ years, and I am getting more anxious by the day, slowly affecting my mental health and overall wellbeing, simply because I have no one I can truly speak of, and no support.
Yet Apple introduces this device to ENCOURAGE solidarity lifestyle? What’s wrong with them?

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Naturally this is the same day they've announced the Scuba Mask also..

Yeah, use watch to remind kids to stay away from screen and go out. Surely this will work out. Surely.

This is bigger than Apple. This is the direction the world is going in. AR, Web 3.0, imagine virtually walking down a virtual mall, shopping and picking things up, purchasing things as if you were there in person, all to have it seamlessly shipped to your house by drone.

So you rather want to live in a virtual world where everything you see is And will be heavily manipulated to company's and government’s liking, while also move less and interact less with people? Or maybe interact with people, but behind a screen 24*7? Eventually we old fella cannot visit real shopping mall anymore because every salesperson would wear AR/VR set and you can’t talk to them without wearing one yourself?

 

[Shirasaki]

I've always been appreciate of the iphone as one of the most impactful inventions ever, but recently I've begun to become more aware of some of the negative affects it's had on my and others' lives, bolstered by more studies being released.

While I'm sure this thing has upsides that we're only beginning to understand, the shot of the dad watching his children play through goggles struck me as depressing.

I dunno....

With the proliferation of those technologies, when disaster strike, human Society as a whole will not survive their worst manifestation. Basically, companies today are unwilling to accept the downside while general public remains oblivious. I am horrified at how mass adoption of AR/VR can cause to the society.

 

[rcarter3636]

I was (until yesterday) looking for 120” UST projector.
I will hold off now until real world reviews come for this Pro.
BTW. I could be saving more than half by buying the Pro instead!
I would keep my 77” OLED.

 

[randomthoughts]

I upvoted this comment but must note that the incredible lack of vision in evidence in this thread is not about boomers. Most of the plethora of visionless posters here are much younger; the lack of vision is not a function of age.

Because someone has a criticism, does not mean they lack vision. In fact, criticism is necessary to make progress.

“Without continual growth and progress, such words as improvement, achievement, and success have no meaning. There will be little progress without the freedom to criticize.”

—Ben Franklin

 

[Stevenyo]

That’s sort of my whole problem with this thing. To be a “yaysayer”, you have to not only think this device is appealing and cool and useful, you also have to think that it will some day replace every single piece of tech you currently own. It’s understandable why this is a tall order for some. I think it’s even more so for me because I’m a bit younger than many people here. I didn’t grow up with old obsolete tech that people now see as quaint. I grew up with iPhones and MacBooks, which I still use to this day. And now you’re telling me that’s all going to go away. Here’s the thing though: I listen to vinyl and use wired headphones and read physical books. I’m not looking to replace everything I do with a “new” method because those “new” methods aren’t necessarily superior. I’m sure I will “go with the times”, but I’m someone who has always seen a use for older things. This new tech can’t just be new and different, it also has to be better. It remains to be seen if it actually is.

It’s better. Having to use 15” laptops for 20 years while my desktop has expanded to multiple ~30” monitors, I can tell you that if all it did was make using an ergonomic and portable multi monitor setp possible on the go, it'd be worth thousands to me.

 

[Stevenyo]

Lol, ok Apple marketer.

I don't care who makes AR happen, not at all touting apple, just excited someone is finally taking what has been the clear future for computing seriously. 2D displays are massively limited, always have been. The next generation is going to look back on using a 2D display like we look at the family gathering around the living room radio set for a night's entertainment.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Because someone has a criticism, does not mean they lack vision. In fact, criticism is necessary to make progress.

Agreed, nothing wrong with criticism. But mostly what we have been seeing is not so much legitimate constructive criticism as it has been folks unwilling or incapable of looking for the potential in a new technology.

E.g. Look at all the people whining about the $3500 price, calling it a fail or an Apple rip-off - - even though that is the price range of what existing far less tech sophisticated VR headsets by MS and others already cost. Those are just folks looking for something to diss.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

It’s better. Having to use 15” laptops for 20 years while my desktop has expanded to multiple ~30” monitors, I can tell you that if all it did was make using an ergonomic and portable multi monitor setp possible on the go, it'd be worth thousands to me.

Yup. My MBPs drive three 4K displays + the MBP display at my office setup. In the field using the same M2 MBP Max but without those displays my productivity drops by at least 50%. [TBH though, someone with better eyes and more adept at using Apple's OS tricks like Stage Manager probably would not lose as much productivity as I do w/o the extra screen real estate.]

 

[Sami13496]

So I’m not the only one that was freaking out (not in a good way) when they were demoing this??

“Capture your kids birthday party so you can relive the moment like you’re there in 3D” as daddy approaches the kids with a computer strapped to his face

I really do not know how to feel about this product but it’s mostly negative feelings

Agree 100%. I actually felt sad when I saw that dad scene. We already do it with smartphones, not living in the moment. This is the next level. What is the point in missing the real life moment with your children just to record it. You cannot have that back. No image, video or this stupid 3D memory is worth that. That’s why I’ve been seriously limiting my time on gadgets and spending free time with my loved ones without those distractions. Apple and other companies want to strap watches to our wrist, put smartphones in our pocket, put tablets on our breakfast table, put earbuds in our ears etc. so we would live every moment with their stupid gadgets consuming content instead of enjoying real world. They are stealing our lives. And now this awful headset to make it even worse. I hope we won’t end up like in Wall-e movie where people were communicating to each other via head sets only.

 

[phenste]

Oh yeah, as if developer’s intention never got twisted, misunderstood or abused. Or the knife was only used for cooking instead of killing people.
Apple can limit their use using software, but they can only go so far.

Yes. When was the time company ever care about the greater good of society without profit in mind? I’d argue not even a single second. If law forces them to care, they will raise the price to compensate.

I’ve been living alone in the past 30+ years, and I am getting more anxious by the day, slowly affecting my mental health and overall wellbeing, simply because I have no one I can truly speak of, and no support.
Yet Apple introduces this device to ENCOURAGE solidarity lifestyle? What’s wrong with them?

Yeah, use watch to remind kids to stay away from screen and go out. Surely this will work out. Surely.

So you rather want to live in a virtual world where everything you see is And will be heavily manipulated to company's and government’s liking, while also move less and interact less with people? Or maybe interact with people, but behind a screen 24*7? Eventually we old fella cannot visit real shopping mall anymore because every salesperson would wear AR/VR set and you can’t talk to them without wearing one yourself?

Virtual reality and mental health in older adults: a systematic review - PubMed

Existing evidence offers support for VR as a screening and training tool for cognitive impairment in older adults. VR-based tasks demonstrated validity comparable to some paper-based assessments of cognition, though more work is needed to refine diagnostic specificity. The variety of VR...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[BC2009]

The photos use case struck me as slightly off. They typically show one person wearing the AVP and the rest of the family is not. The person wearing AVP is the one looking at the photos. What happens when another family member wants to shoot a photo. Do they have to ask the people wearing AVP to take it off. Do you start collecting photos of people wearing AVP, obscuring their faces except for the “eye-sight” display? I know Apple is trying to say that you remain in your environment, but you are definitely an odd duck in that environment when wearing this.

Also, in the workplace in-person collaboration would have to happen over screen sharing because you could not walk somebody up to your display and show them something since your display is only in your field of view.

So definitely some use cases that I don’t see totally working out — kinda like the first iteration of Apple Watch features — several were awkward and eventually dropped.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

The photos use case struck me as slightly off. They typically show one person wearing the AVP and the rest of the family is not. The person wearing AVP is the one looking at the photos. What happens when another family member wants to shoot a photo. Do they have to ask the people wearing AVP to take it off. Do you start collecting photos of people wearing AVP, obscuring their faces except for the “eye-sight” display? I know Apple is trying to say that you remain in your environment, but you are definitely an odd duck in that environment when wearing this.

Also, in the workplace in-person collaboration would have to happen over screen sharing because you could not walk somebody up to your display and show them something since your display is only in your field of view.

So definitely some use cases that I don’t see totally working out — kinda like the first iteration of Apple Watch features — several were awkward and eventually dropped.

Agreed. The demos were just appetite-wetters. It is up the rest of us to conceive of and build the real applications of the new tech.

 

[cupcakes2000]

We already do it with smartphones, not living in the moment. This is the next level. What is the point in missing the real life moment with your children just to record it.

I wonder what you would have thought if you were alive when cameras got invented.