Yea, no thanks.

[progx]

Well... you kind of defeated all your points once you said "beta hardware." That's how I'm viewing it, similar to Apple making an iPad Pro or the Watch. Not everyone is going to hop at the first gen, which I'm guessing is why they elected to do a "Pro" model first to get the use-case data and feedback from power users.

Once they're satisfied, then I would imagine there'd be a $999 option model in the future under "Vision," then a $1500-2000 model under "Air" (lack of better term at the moment, so I'm borrowing the iPad Air name). I expect in 3-5 years, these units might rival tablets and PCs, I cannot think of ALL the use case situations this device could cover, but it would be WAY more than Mac mini, iPad Air and Switch could cover in one unit. There's a lot of ideas in this device, so I'm not ready to pass any form of judgment on a brand new product for Apple.

I mean, the HoloLens is really the only competitor to this device since Quest, PSVR, Index and Vive are occupy the VR realm and require hardware tethering (except the Quest). However, HoloLens isn't really lighting it up beyond the business world.

 

[pendragon1984]

Well... you kind of defeated all your points once you said "beta hardware." That's how I'm viewing it, similar to Apple making an iPad Pro or the Watch. Not everyone is going to hop at the first gen, which I'm guessing is why they elected to do a "Pro" model first to get the use-case data and feedback from power users.

Once they're satisfied, then I would imagine there'd be a $999 option model in the future under "Vision," then a $1500-2000 model under "Air" (lack of better term at the moment, so I'm borrowing the iPad Air name). I expect in 3-5 years, these units might rival tablets and PCs, I cannot think of ALL the use case situations this device could cover, but it would be WAY more than Mac mini, iPad Air and Switch could cover in one unit. There's a lot of ideas in this device, so I'm not ready to pass any form of judgment on a brand new product for Apple.

I mean, the HoloLens is really the only competitor to this device since Quest, PSVR, Index and Vive are occupy the VR realm and require hardware tethering (except the Quest). However, HoloLens isn't really lighting it up beyond the business world.

I certainly think that one day 10-20 years from now a pair of vision pro glasses could sell okay. However, I don't think they are going to replace laptops, smart phones, and TVs. Laptop will, due to form factor, always have more battery and more power. TVs are public in a sense. Everyone can watch it that's nearby.

Most importantly though AR glasses obscure your vision. You can read something on your phone and just glance up for a second to see what's happening. I know they can work on the interface to handle these problems to a degree. But at the end up the day if you have a web browser open in front of your face, you can't see what's in front of you. Just imagine the interactive life we live. I might be writing this post, then pause and play with the cat, then turn to talk to my wife, then see what's happening on tv. Having a bunch of windows open in my field of vision does not strike me as a pleasant way of interacting.

 

[Lcgiv]

That's funny you are living a magical world where everyone has one.



It's literally two screens right in front of your eyes.

Wow you’re particularly constructive… it’s literally not a screen sitting on a shelf or desk isolated to one room, location, view angle, or a keyboard and base like a laptop. There is no one power source/plug or end of the screen. Try carrying your 65 inch tv around the house, or enjoy staring down at your phone with inevitable neck problems. You can place virtual screens anywhere and everywhere…

You knew exactly what I meant.

 

[gorkt]

I am kind of hoping this succeeds to some degree. I want them to use this device to continue to tweak the OS while they work on hardware that is more accessible and lightweight. Apple, more that anything else, is a UI company, and if they can crack the issues the VR has with making people feel nauseous and making it work with gestures, they could move in interesting directions.

 

[progx]

I certainly think that one day 10-20 years from now a pair of vision pro glasses could sell okay.

I’d say less than 10 years, but it’ll depend how the Vision Pro does the next couple of years. Also, if it spurs out new sales for HoloLens and Vive too. If people can reduce clutter, plus it works fine, I think a decade is a pretty conservative number.

However, I don't think they are going to replace laptops and TVs. Laptop will, due to form factor, always have more battery and more power. TVs are public in a sense. Everyone can watch it that's nearby. Most importantly though AR glasses obscure your vision. You can read something on your phone and just glance up for a second to see what's happening. I know they can work on the interface to handle these problems to a degree. But at the end up the day if you have a web browser open in front of your face, you can't see what's in front of you. Just imagine the interactive life we live. I might be writing this post, then pause and play with the cat, then turn to talk to my wife, then see what's happening on tv. Having a bunch of windows open in my field of vision does not strike me as a pleasant way of interacting.

Good points, but phones have crushed the PC market. I know many people who haven’t had a PC (of any kind) in over a decade. It’s a wide gambit in age too. Some still have laptops from that time period. I will have a new Mac long before I make a Vision a top purchase. I think laptop sales will continue to go down, but it won’t be due to AR glasses.

 

[Otaviano]

Wow you’re particularly constructive… it’s literally not a screen sitting on a shelf or desk isolated to one room, location, view angle, or a keyboard and base like a laptop. There is no one power source/plug or end of the screen. Try carrying your 65 inch tv around the house, or enjoy staring down at your phone with inevitable neck problems. You can place virtual screens anywhere and everywhere…

You knew exactly what I meant.

Except this silly headset is not a 65 inch tv. Trying sitting down to watch a movie with two kids on your headset. Then you might realize the tv, you already own, remains pretty darn useful.

But you do you, maybe you but one for every member of the family. Enjoy

 

[pendragon1984]

I’d say less than 10 years, but it’ll depend how the Vision Pro does the next couple of years. Also, if it spurs out new sales for HoloLens and Vive too. If people can reduce clutter, plus it works fine, I think a decade is a pretty conservative number.


Good points, but phones have crushed the PC market. I know many people who haven’t had a PC (of any kind) in over a decade. It’s a wide gambit in age too. Some still have laptops from that time period. I will have a new Mac long before I make a Vision a top purchase. I think laptop sales will continue to go down, but it won’t be due to AR glasses.

I don't know anyone who hasn't had a PC. Everyone requires them for work. But I do know that in poorer countries young people manage with just a smart phone. It's not ideal. I will use my iPhone when casually messing around when watching tv but for anything serious I am getting out my MacBook Pro. A real keyboard alone changes the world.

Which leads me to another point. Once you bring along your real keyboard to use with the future vision pro glasses, you might as well just get a laptop and have more power and battery life.

Also, how often do you really feel that your laptop's screen is too small? The fact that 17" laptops aren't that popular suggests most people are happy with a smaller screen.

 

[pendragon1984]

Except this silly headset is not a 65 inch tv. Trying sitting down to watch a movie with two kids on your headset. Then you might realize the tv, you already own, remains pretty darn useful.

But you do you, maybe you but one for every member of the family. Enjoy

Don't forget the poor cat!

 

[progx]

I don't know anyone who hasn't had a PC. Everyone requires them for work. But I do know that in poorer countries young people manage with just a smart phone. It's not ideal. I will use my iPhone when casually messing around when watching tv but for anything serious I am getting out my MacBook Pro. A real keyboard alone changes the world.

Which leads me to another point. Once you bring along your real keyboard to use with the future vision pro glasses, you might as well just get a laptop and have more power and battery life.

Also, how often do you really feel that your laptop's screen is too small? The fact that 17" laptops aren't that popular suggests most people are happy with a smaller screen.

I know lots of people who haven't bought PC for themselves in years. Unless they're my gaming friends, they make a Windows or Mac PC just run until they have to or move to their phone full time (or get a tablet). For my work at home friends, they get one from their employer, but don't use it for anything personal.

This item is a first gen, it isn't going to be a replacement solution for anyone at this point. The glasses are pushing out power for all the cameras and sensors that need to be active while using it. Over time, I think it could get better, but I don't know what a standard would be for this kind of product. Hence, why Apple decided to do a Pro model over making a cheaper consumer option. Smaller bases are easier to manage. In 3-5 years, I'll probably get a Vision, but not the Pro model.

For example, why would I buy an Apple Watch Ultra when a Series 8 does everything I need? My use case doesn't fit everyone else, so if there are people who want to buy the Vision Pro, then have at it. I hated the original iPod when it came out in 2001, thought it was the most pointless device Apple ever made. A year later, wound up buying the second gen model, then had two more standard sized models, three different shuffles and one mini. Still have my first iPod and my last Classic.

As for laptop screen size, I'm all over the 15-inch MacBook Air or 14-inch MacBook Pro, those are just the right screen sizes (for me). I don't think screen real estate is much of an issue, but the heft of a 17-inch laptop and lugging one around makes people go for the smaller ones. I see way more phones and tablets on flights on planes than anything.

 

[Stevenyo]

I love how people can’t see that this spells the end for screens

Right. It’s hilarious how obtuse so many people are. Are there really that many people that love using a 13” laptop or ~5” phone all day? Stockholm
Syndrome? It’s bizzarre. Sure, the VisionPro itself is not yet a screen killer, too heavy, to expensive, too short battery life, but if you can watch that demo and not see the writing on the wall for all other screens, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[Tulani]

Okay, listen, I respect the work that went into this. I can also respect this is a kind of beta hardware for something that might be practical one day in the future. Apple can totally afford to play around with ideas. So, I'm not knocking them for working on this.

However, let's be honest. How many people want to wear this thing on their head instead of watching their 65" OLED TV (or bigger for the price of this thing)? Who wants to take this on a trip instead of a trusty MacBook Pro that has 16 hours of battery life? Who wants to use this thing to write forum posts? Who wants to use this thing to do much of anything? Not me.

In fact there is only one thing I can see this being useful for given the battery life, but they aren't going to market it for that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665865409495539716

 

[Certificate of Excellence]

I'm looking forward to when there's just a chip to insert in various types of glasses for this.
Apple could even evolve these kind of glasses. That could be revolutionary.
For sunglasses or whatever glasses, depending on type of chip.

I was thinking about contact lenses that had this built in as part of your prescription lol.

Absolutely a screen killing technology once it gets cheap enough and small enough. I was also considering how this tech could revolutionize working from home - Teams leveraging this type of technology to participate in a very organic and intuitive 3d work environment and have all of their tools available and contained within this digital environment anywhere they go that has connectivity. Done with work, hang em up and go about your day in reality.

I also think this would be a massive & very dangerous distraction for people driving around but by the time we get this tech down to thin wire frames or contact lenses, folks will all be driven around by their cars named Jeeves lol.

 

[tennisproha]

How many people want to wear this thing on their head instead of watching their 65" OLED TV

actually this is one of the reasons i would get it. a 65” OLED is not big enough and projectors don’t have a usable contrast ratio. a reality headset seems to be a great solution. microled display, surround vision field, it’s like the ideal escapism

 

[Antoniosmalakia]

Speak for yourself.

I am absolutely buying the Apple Vision Pro in the first few minutes it goes on sale. Just like I did the first iPhone in 2007.

I am a software engineer, a technology enthusiast, an early adopter, and spend a lot of money on Apple products and services every year.

I see the potential, I see the future in Apple Vision Pro.

Okay, Tim. Calm down.

 

[pendragon1984]

Right. It’s hilarious how obtuse so many people are. Are there really that many people that love using a 13” laptop or ~5” phone all day? Stockholm
Syndrome? It’s bizzarre. Sure, the VisionPro itself is not yet a screen killer, too heavy, to expensive, too short battery life, but if you can watch that demo and not see the writing on the wall for all other screens, I don’t know what to tell you.

That's me. I would in no way buy this thing instead of a high end laptop. Never in a million years.

 

[pendragon1984]

I know lots of people who haven't bought PC for themselves in years. Unless they're my gaming friends, they make a Windows or Mac PC just run until they have to or move to their phone full time (or get a tablet). For my work at home friends, they get one from their employer, but don't use it for anything personal.

This item is a first gen, it isn't going to be a replacement solution for anyone at this point. The glasses are pushing out power for all the cameras and sensors that need to be active while using it. Over time, I think it could get better, but I don't know what a standard would be for this kind of product. Hence, why Apple decided to do a Pro model over making a cheaper consumer option. Smaller bases are easier to manage. In 3-5 years, I'll probably get a Vision, but not the Pro model.

For example, why would I buy an Apple Watch Ultra when a Series 8 does everything I need? My use case doesn't fit everyone else, so if there are people who want to buy the Vision Pro, then have at it. I hated the original iPod when it came out in 2001, thought it was the most pointless device Apple ever made. A year later, wound up buying the second gen model, then had two more standard sized models, three different shuffles and one mini. Still have my first iPod and my last Classic.

As for laptop screen size, I'm all over the 15-inch MacBook Air or 14-inch MacBook Pro, those are just the right screen sizes (for me). I don't think screen real estate is much of an issue, but the heft of a 17-inch laptop and lugging one around makes people go for the smaller ones. I see way more phones and tablets on flights on planes than anything.

I guess I'm old school. Sticking with my MacBook Pro. It's more computer than I need. I like that though. I am not constrained.

 

[Stevenyo]

That's me. I would in no way buy this thing instead of a high end laptop. Never in a million years.

The 20th century called to remind you you have zeppelin tickets to visit Europe this summer, enjoy the fastest, safest travel known to all humankind. So great that there will never be a reason to develop better transportation machines!

 

[Antoniosmalakia]

Price. Nope.

2 hour battery life. It's a no from me!

Fabric straps/pillows on my hair/face. That's going to feel gross in a day. No thanks.

 

[Lcgiv]

Except this silly headset is not a 65 inch tv. Trying sitting down to watch a movie with two kids on your headset. Then you might realize the tv, you already own, remains pretty darn useful.

But you do you, maybe you but one for every member of the family. Enjoy

PC’s were niche and prohibitively expensive for years, and no one would have given one to a kid, it was useless, just like various other emergent tech. The writing is on the wall, just like when people denied smartphones would ever be anything and they’d keep their landlines. People will deny it right up to when they are using it

 

[Lcgiv]

The 20th century called to remind you you have zeppelin tickets to visit Europe this summer, enjoy the fastest, safest travel known to all humankind. So great that there will never be a reason to develop better transportation machines!

Exactly. Denying potential for familiarity and skepticism

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I'm already extremely impressed with micro-LED, so I can only imagine how great micro-OLED is.

As someone that has used PC tethered and portable headsets for almost a decade now, I'm just happy such an influential company like Apple is finally in the game.

I'm not going to argue about a person's wants or needs. But I see AR/VR has an enhanced experience of the way we do things, not a replacement. (with the exception of some games).

 

[KaiFiMacFan]

I guess laptops meant the end of the desktop. Tablets meant the end of laptops. Smartphones mean no one needs a tablet. Watch means no one needs a phone.

Except Apple sells all these things and wants you to own as many of them as possible.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

This is the point where the mainstream Macrumors enthusiast becomes a boomer and technology progresses past them. Clearly not a product for you, but society will move on without you.

I upvoted this comment but must note that the incredible lack of vision in evidence in this thread is not about boomers. Most of the plethora of visionless posters here are much younger; the lack of vision is not a function of age.

 

[Night Spring]

as it effectively doesn’t allow you to do anything more effectively just in a different way

I think being able to project multiple screens in any size you want is something "more", rather than just a "different way".

You thinking of getting one, I?

No, too expensive. But if the price comes down enough, I would absolutely want one.

Back in 2012-2015 when 3D TVs came out people didn't even want to wear 3D glasses at home, why would they want to wear this?

Because this does more than just 3D TV. Despite the clunkiness when showing interactions with other people while wearing this headset, Apple showed people doing actual productivity tasks with this device. Their pitch is that this is for both entertainment and productivity. If the productivity part works as advertised, people would wear this.

Also, how often do you really feel that your laptop's screen is too small? The fact that 17" laptops aren't that popular suggests most people are happy with a smaller screen.

The only reason I didn't get a 17" laptop is they were too heavy and big to be really mobile. But would I have loved a 17" screen I could carry anywhere without dealing with the weight and bulk? I notice Apple didn't show a carrying case for Vision Pro. My guess is it would be kind of bulky, but still less heavy than a 17" inch laptop.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665865409495539716

This is where I miss Steve Jobs. He would absolutely wear one himself, or wouldn't release a product until it was something he'd wear in public.

 

[Stevenyo]

I guess laptops meant the end of the desktop. Tablets meant the end of laptops. Smartphones mean no one needs a tablet. Watch means no one needs a phone.

Except Apple sells all these things and wants you to own as many of them as possible.

Laptops have all but killed desktops, only niche use cases still buy desktops. Smartphones killed mp3 players, digital cameras, camcorders, portable TVs, portable Radios, and so much more. Oh, and smartphones have mostly killed PCs, the majority of the world’s computing population uses primarily/only a smartphone.

Of course TVs and PCs and even phones and tablets will live on momentum for decades, but the age of the 2D screen is closing, and the age of AR/wearable/3d screen is dawning. It will slowly choke out all other devices because it’s a better way to interact with content.

Smartphones killed a dozen device categories because they made all the features more convenient. HMDs will do the same to phones, tablets, TV and PC once they become all day wearable like traditional glasses. Apple is betting that’s only a few years away, and is getting VisionPro out there to start the development and hype machine. iPhone was not the device we all are addicted to in 2007, iPod was not the world beater in 2001, the Mac wasn’t particularly useful in 1984, but each was a good enough proof of concept to start the ball rolling on a sea change.