Yea, no thanks.

[OneBar]

... Do iPhones still get ripped out of people's hands? Sure. But most people don't live in fear of it. ...

The irony of those two statements being back to back. Maybe if people had a little more situational awareness and concern for their expensive possessions they wouldn't get ripped. There'll be just as much of a used parts for the Vision with higher prices because it's an expensive niche device.

 

[BeatCrazy]

The irony of those two statements being back to back. Maybe if people had a little more situational awareness and concern for their expensive possessions they wouldn't get ripped. There'll be just as much of a used parts for the Vision with higher prices because it's an expensive niche device.

Reselling a stolen iPhone for parts is relatively easy, with an established global market. How big is the near-term black market for stolen Vision Pro light blockers? Those parts/scenarios are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[ultraturducken]

This will be transformative for a select few industries, particularly AEC. Otherwise yes, this is a solution looking for a problem that will probably just wind up being the next most profitable p**no and ad delivery vehicle.
Silver lining: this pushes AR/MR way ahead of VR and enables seriously creative R&D into use cases we’ve yet to imagine.

 

[Natrium]

This Vision Pro is going to be the TouchBar 2.0 - sounds useful in theory, isn't in practice. Both try to provide a solution for a problem that doesn't exist and appeal only to a small group of enthousiasts who might actually find it useful or cool to use. The difference is that MacBook users got the TouchBar for "free" with their purchase yet it still failed, whereas you need to pay $3500 to be able to use the Vision Pro.

 

[OneBar]

Reselling a stolen iPhone for parts is relatively easy, with an established global market. How big is the near-term black market for stolen Vision Pro light blockers? Those parts/scenarios are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Sure. Until the first one breaks and there aren't parts because they aren't selling and have cut back production.

 

[BeatCrazy]

Sure. Until the first one breaks and there aren't parts because they aren't selling and have cut back production.

Definitely let us know when you see they've cut production due to lack of demand.

More likely, you'll see them going for $5K+ on the second-hand market.

 

[phenste]

Again, it needs broader research and better understanding rather than saying "this is good" blindly if you haven't got my point already. Companies have been found to advertise product advantages over disclosing disadvantages to boost sales and keep their bottom line afloat. VR/AR headset is not and will never be an all-good no-bad product.

I do wonder if you've seen my comments around before and know that I am oft a vocal critic of Apple's ways—re: this headset (or any VR headset, or any tablet, or any phone, or any computer), there are always going to be upsides and downsides. I just watched a two-hour video on YT last night about a video game developer who continues to let himself get sucked into social media drama and sallow his own reputation rather than working on the game. individuals who have these kinds of struggles need help outside of the technology itself (contradictory to everything I've been posting about the ostensible benefits of VR for people in your age group, I know)—I'm not one to blame Apple for merely manufacturing the product. it has its benefits, it has its downsides…that's how virtually (lol) every innovation since the beginning of the industrial revolution has been.

forgive my first salient response since this began—I'd been horrendously sleep deprived and did not have the mental faculties to type out anything of worth. I don't want to see people living on these devices either. I don't think Apple (or Microsoft) foresaw any issues with people overusing computers when they first manufactured them; they saw use cases that could revolutionize the way we work and interact with each other, and didn't see it being taken to the extremes it has been by addictions to things such as social media and adult content. (I don't think social media companies saw that coming either, and I am a living example of someone who's been a guinea pig for the experiment of youth growing up on social media. it is not a fun time. I would testify on the stand to that.)

if anything, we don't have to worry on the first-gen, given that it's so ridiculously expensive—only time will tell whether this truly ends up being a Black Mirror-esque dystopia or whether it becomes a useful part of society (or, more likely, some mix of the two, as has been the case with [again] virtually all technological products that have been released in the last ~40 years).

 

[Tulani]

Okay, listen, I respect the work that went into this. I can also respect this is a kind of beta hardware for something that might be practical one day in the future. Apple can totally afford to play around with ideas. So, I'm not knocking them for working on this.

However, let's be honest. How many people want to wear this thing on their head instead of watching their 65" OLED TV (or bigger for the price of this thing)? Who wants to take this on a trip instead of a trusty MacBook Pro that has 16 hours of battery life? Who wants to use this thing to write forum posts? Who wants to use this thing to do much of anything? Not me.

In fact there is only one thing I can see this being useful for given the battery life, but they aren't going to market it for that.

I'll buy the Vision Pro, but I need Apple to answer these 11 questions first

I plan on buying the $3,499 Vision Pro as soon as it comes out, but I have 11 questions that I want Apple to answer first.

bgr.com

 

[BeatCrazy]

How many people want to wear this thing on their head instead of watching their 65" OLED TV (or bigger for the price of this thing)?

I have a dedicated media room with a 7.1 system - B&W Nautilus speakers, McIntosh amplification, the whole 9 yards.

But increasingly, I find myself using my AirPods Pro when watching my OLED. AirPods Pro sound is good, and they my family less than having speakers + sub going on.

The Vision Pro looks to be the visual equivalent of replacing bulky 'A/V computing things' with a personal device that will be high quality and color accurate.

The same way that an iPad screen is more color accurate than the LED LCDs found in most peoples' homes. Same with AirPods. Their Apple audio/video devices are higher quality than more traditional peripherals.

 

[mousekiks]

Keep telling yourself that. Lol

? It was a meme. The dad behind the camcorder. Same thing was said. Now everyone is behind their phones recording whatever.
Not saying there aren’t issues, just that these criticisms aren’t new and the evidence shows that if the product is compelling enough, people will use it.

 

[GadgetBen]

Bought every single Apple product on launch but won’t buy this. All the same folks on here were slating Google Glass a decade ago, yet now they’re suddenly ok with this monstrosity.

 

[max2]

I bet people thought this about headphones at first.

Headphones are awesome.

They allow anyone to watch whatever they want.

 

[MauiPa]

Congratulations you just not so eloquently described it being a niche product (but then VR in general is, so there is that)

Personally, I don’t need one even if it might be cool. But it is impressive to have a full M2 Mac, including 2 separate hi res displays, and super stereo speakers that you can wear all with virtual I/o devices. So compared to an M2 level Mac or Pc, super res displays, and high end earphones, while it is expensive, it is comparable

And contrary to those lacking in language skills, it is not ludicrously overpriced because you get a lot. It is ludicrously overspecced, there is not yet (nor there may never be) a defined market for such a top specked product There is a difference -Language matters

Now can the future shrink this to a sub $1000 device? Who knows

 

[frqunzfltr]

 

[cupcakes2000]

Congratulations you just not so eloquently described it being a niche product (but then VR in general is, so there is that)

Personally, I don’t need one even if it might be cool. But it is impressive to have a full M2 Mac, including 2 separate hi res displays, and super stereo speakers that you can wear all with virtual I/o devices. So compared to an M2 level Mac or Pc, super res displays, and high end earphones, while it is expensive, it is comparable

And contrary to those lacking in language skills, it is not ludicrously overpriced because you get a lot. It is ludicrously overspecced, there is not yet (nor there may never be) a defined market for such a top specked product There is a difference -Language matters

Now can the future shrink this to a sub $1000 device? Who knows

I agree with what you’re saying - though I’m not sure about the future shrinking this to a sub 1000 device, I find that somewhat unlikely.

But the future is going to shrink this device in other important ways. I can’t wait - I don’t see this goggle type approach going that far and certainly not as mainstream as a phone for example.

Gosh though - Apple have shown their hand in a massive and epic way - should the initial reactions be on the mark.

Future wise, Getting this into glasses or sunglasses sized devices or perhaps even further forwards in to the future, contact lenses - that’s world changing stuff.

those thinking of ‘dystopian future-ing’ me, don’t bother. I don’t care. I’m purely talking future tech potential.

 

[dontwalkhand]

Who wants to watch tv on a plane. I just pop some pain killers and pass out.

Or fly Delta where the plane itself has a TV and I get to carry absolutely nothing with me.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

They didn’t claim it would fail because it had no compelling use case or inherent reason to buy it. Their criticism came (largely) from the fact that it only allowed Web apps and couldn’t do some basic things like copy/paste.

This is not the case with AVP. In this case we have a product that’s not easy to explain to people, has no compelling mass appeal use case, makes you look weird, isolates you behind a screen…

It just isn’t a valid comparison. iPhone had a compelling reason to purchase it. It was easy to understand and interact with. This has none of that.

Although I am 100% supportive of Apple's AR efforts, I do see this as, initially at least, a niche product. But note that I do not consider niche as some kind of less relevant. I see multiple critically important usages evolving in many different niche directions.

IMO the product does not need a compelling mass appeal use case.

 

[OneBar]

Definitely let us know when you see they've cut production due to lack of demand.

More likely, you'll see them going for $5K+ on the second-hand market.

Not sure those two statement are in any fashion related. iPhones get production cut due to lack of demand almost every year. It happens. It happens more the more expensive a device is.

They're going to be selling for that on the second-hand anyway because that's what people do.

 

[max2]

Or fly Delta where the plane itself has a TV and I get to carry absolutely nothing with me.

No thanks you could not pay me to fly Delta.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I agree with what you’re saying - though I’m not sure about the future shrinking this to a sub 1000 device, I find that somewhat unlikely.

But the future is going to shrink this device in other important ways. I can’t wait - I don’t see this goggle type approach going that far and certainly not as mainstream as a phone for example.

Gosh though - Apple have shown their hand in a massive and epic way - should the initial reactions be on the mark.

Future wise, Getting this into glasses or sunglasses sized devices or perhaps even further forwards in to the future, contact lenses - that’s world changing stuff.

those thinking of ‘dystopian future-ing’ me, don’t bother. I don’t care. I’m purely talking future tech potential.

If in future the price doesn’t shrink below £1k, it’s highly unlikely it will be a mainstream product used to the same degree an iPhone is. It’s an extravagant purchase and it’s difficult to see how families would be interested in something several times more expensive than their TV where only one person can use it at a time. VR has spent more than 30 years being developed by so many different companies and it’s always been niche largely due to cost. If it’s not affordable, it becomes pretty irrelevant to most people ultimately.

 

[jakenh]

I agree with you on most points. This seems more like a fun "toy" than a real work/life tool.

 

[max2]

Valve headset mostly took off and a great example.

Though it is meant just for gaming

 

[a m u n]

This Vision Pro is going to be the TouchBar 2.0 - sounds useful in theory, isn't in practice. Both try to provide a solution for a problem that doesn't exist and appeal only to a small group of enthousiasts who might actually find it useful or cool to use. The difference is that MacBook users got the TouchBar for "free" with their purchase yet it still failed, whereas you need to pay $3500 to be able to use the Vision Pro.

Good joke, donʼt ever do it again. Hereʼs someone whoʼs smarter and has understood what itʼs all about.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Although I am 100% supportive of Apple's AR efforts, I do see this as, initially at least, a niche product. But note that I do not consider niche as some kind of less relevant. I see multiple critically important usages evolving in many different niche directions.

IMO the product does not need a compelling mass appeal use case.

If this product does not need a mass appeal use case, how do you convince those that don’t use it that’s it’s relevant? I agree it’ll be a niche product with a select market, but beyond that how does it impact those who are never likely to buy it? Some here are claiming this is the beginning of the end for TV’s, monitors etc, however that kind of movement relies very much on mass market appeal.

 

[cupcakes2000]

If in future the price doesn’t shrink below £1k, it’s highly unlikely it will be a mainstream product used to the same degree an iPhone is. It’s an extravagant purchase and it’s difficult to see how families would be interested in something several times more expensive than their TV where only one person can use it at a time. VR has spent more than 30 years being developed by so many different companies and it’s always been niche largely due to cost. If it’s not affordable, it becomes pretty irrelevant to most people ultimately.

I would perhaps agree if it wasn’t for the fact that a lot of people already buy phones that cost well over a thousand, and tvs that can cost even more.

AR (not VR) is approaching viability. It’s not yet ready - but this is damn close and could be the crux. Apple have a little history in making something viable that others could not.