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Yeah I'm getting used to it. I'm starting to think its not so much panel lottery this year as much as just a push to a warmer display calibration closer to D65, since I've seen the warmer display pop up in so many reviews / across forums. It was just such a harsh change at first since my XR was so blue (7293K according to Phone Arena, vs 6729k for the 12).
 
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Yeah I'm getting used to it. I'm starting to think its not so much panel lottery this year as much as just a push to a warmer display calibration closer to D65, since I've seen the warmer display pop up in so many reviews / across forums. It was just such a harsh change at first since my XR was so blue (7293K according to Phone Arena, vs 6729k for the 12).

Well, D65 has a white point of 6504K. What I noticed on my one unit is that the white temperature was much, much lower (warmer) than 6500K. I have 4 monitors calibrated to 6500K and the iPhone wasn't anywhere close. I'd estimate it was somewhere between 5500K-6000K maybe... even that might be too generous.

That said, I've encountered laptop displays where certain colorimeters have opted for a warmer white point to achieve greater color accuracy. It's possible that the features/qualities of the iPhone displays have this limitation with the color temperature, where it made more sense for them to opt for a warmer temperature to achieve the other advertised specs.
 
Yeah I'm getting used to it. I'm starting to think its not so much panel lottery this year as much as just a push to a warmer display calibration closer to D65, since I've seen the warmer display pop up in so many reviews / across forums. It was just such a harsh change at first since my XR was so blue (7293K according to Phone Arena, vs 6729k for the 12).
Maybe it's better for our eyes? 🤷‍♂️
 
In addition to my replacement being a tad more yellow, it also has a sharper display but I feel like it may cross a line where the sharpness almost makes some of the photos look "fake" on some level.
 
Let's see if the Pro Max has similar screens... ( getting one this Friday )
I’m gonna make a bet right now and say that it does. Not to burst your bubble, but it would seem like Apple would want the whole lineup to look similar (assuming the warm screens aren't defective, but a choice).
 
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Well, D65 has a white point of 6504K. What I noticed on my one unit is that the white temperature was much, much lower (warmer) than 6500K. I have 4 monitors calibrated to 6500K and the iPhone wasn't anywhere close. I'd estimate it was somewhere between 5500K-6000K maybe... even that might be too generous.

That said, I've encountered laptop displays where certain colorimeters have opted for a warmer white point to achieve greater color accuracy. It's possible that the features/qualities of the iPhone displays have this limitation with the color temperature, where it made more sense for them to opt for a warmer temperature to achieve the other advertised specs.
This is right. 6500k would be great and match my calibrated displays. These are about 5500k. If it was 6500k this thread wouldn’t exist.
 
This is right. 6500k would be great and match my calibrated displays. These are about 5500k. If it was 6500k this thread wouldn’t exist.
How were your displays calibrated? Not saying they aren't, it just seems improbably that Apple would have a giant batch of iPhone 12 with wildly uncalibrated displays, and that reviewers who colorimeter check displays (like Phone Arena) haven't noticed.
 
How were your displays calibrated? Not saying they aren't, it just seems improbably that Apple would have a giant batch of iPhone 12 with wildly uncalibrated displays, and that reviewers who colorimeter check displays (like Phone Arena) haven't noticed.
I can't speak to his, but I can talk to mine.

I use a Colormunki Display colorimeter (previously Spyder 4 Pro) with DisplayCAL targeting a 6500K white point. I noticed Phone Arena reported their iPhone 12's white point to be quite high at over 6700K which I personally find difficult to believe and would be curious how they attained that measurement, but it's possible Apple sent out stellar units to reviewers.

Also, just because a screen has a warmer color temperature doesn't mean it isn't calibrated. The fact is, there are production variances with these displays. Some have a naturally bluer white, while others are naturally more yellow. You can still calibrate these displays to improve color accuracy, even with the warmer white point. Forcing a bluer white point on a naturally warmer screen, like in the case of the color tint feature, will harm color accuracy. In all likelihood, even these warmer screens are still calibrated for maximum color accuracy.
 
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iPhone 12 Pro left, iPhone XS right
iPhone 12 Pro looks warmer or slightly more yellow for sure, but probably better, I don't know...

True Tone and Night Shift are turned of, auto brightness is turned on for both.
 
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iPhone 12 Pro left, iPhone XS right
iPhone 12 Pro looks warmer or slightly more yellow for sure, but probably better, I don't know...

True Tone and Night Shift are turned of, auto brightness is turned on for both.
Both look like they have this issue. You got a bad XS. huge thread that year too.
 
How were your displays calibrated? Not saying they aren't, it just seems improbably that Apple would have a giant batch of iPhone 12 with wildly uncalibrated displays, and that reviewers who colorimeter check displays (like Phone Arena) haven't noticed.
Not sure I’m afraid. Paid an ISF certified bloke to do it. He had a flight case with a load of gear in it and spent hours over it. I couldn’t tell you what he used though, sorry.
 
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My launch day 12 Pro was warm-ish. I didn’t mind the warm tone. However, the earpiece and microphone were having issues. My new replacement 12 Pro is notably cooler FWIW.

Really don’t care either way. Just an observation 🙂

No side by side because I returned and picked up at the apple store.
 
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Characteristic of OLED. Some of the screens shifting seem to do it less, but it's par for the technology
OLED usually has blueshift when tilting. What he's describing is the screen looking piss yellow when tilting. Of my four 12 Pros, the original and three replacements, the 1st replacement was the only one that didn't exhibit this to a disgusting degree. It's there, but much less so. Still a yellower screen in general head-on, but not dark yellow when tilted. Still going to try at least one more time for another replacement in a few weeks.
 
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I just got my 12 pro today, and it is a little warmer than my XS, although a lot of it has to do with TrueTone, which is way warmer than it used to be. One way I’m dealing with it is by turning True Tone off, which makes the screen much bluer, and then turning on Night Shift all the time. Night Shift has a slider that allows you to adjust the warmth, and I set that so it’s in between True Tone being on and off.
 
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I just got my 12 pro today, and it is a little warmer than my XS, although a lot of it has to do with TrueTone, which is way warmer than it used to be. One way I’m dealing with it is by turning True Tone off, which makes the screen much bluer, and then turning on Night Shift all the time. Night Shift has a slider that allows you to adjust the warmth, and I set that so it’s in between True Tone being on and off.
Problem is, that it is already to yellow for my liking without true tone and night shift. Using color filter to get it right, makes it less vibrant. Yesterday there was a periode, where I wasn't bothered, but guess that was due to daylight.
 
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iPhone 12 Pro left, iPhone XS right
iPhone 12 Pro looks warmer or slightly more yellow for sure, but probably better, I don't know...

True Tone and Night Shift are turned of, auto brightness is turned on for both.
Seeing the exact same here on my 12 Pro / XS, although what doesn't come across in your picture is how much better the contrast appears on the XS. It's not just that the 12 Pro has a dull amber tint that makes it look like a 25 year old newspaper and makes you check if Night Shift is still on, it's also that the light and contrast are weaker at the same settings. Everything's just more yellow and washed out. Someone at Apple must really, really like urine. I reluctantly had to turn True Tone off to match it with my iPad Pro and my old trusty XS.

So far I feel like a complete idiot for buying into the marketing and the astroturfing about how much the new screen pops. Every A/B comparison I've tried so far between the XS and the 12 Pro (camera, speed, battery life etc) shows either negligible differences or the XS beating the 12. Essentially I paid a fortune for flat edges and a ******* magnet.

I did however get lucky with the battery (104% health out of the box), but then again my XS is still at 92% health after 24 months so good luck beating that.

(My 12 Pro is NOT a launch day lemon, I ordered after the first batch was depleted and received one from the second wave 3 days ago.)
 
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Went to the Apple store again today for another exchange. Staff really helpful as always which leaves me frustrated but not angry about my ongoing issues with the phone. In my opinion, the yellow phones aren’t unliveable, if I stopped comparing it I might get used to it.

That being said, I intend to turn it over in 12 months and resale value matters to me and given Apple really promote the display in its advertising of iPhone 12, I don’t feel like I should settle for one I’m not happy with. The display phones in store do not seem to have this issue and the iPhone 12 I got today is better as far as the yellow tint goes but it has a noticeably more prominent blue shift to the extent that I wish I kept the warm version which with TT off was not bad and had minimal shift on common viewing angles other than straight on, I.e on my desk at work.

Having read in this thread that different OLED manufacturers are making the screens this year I have decided to give up on iPhone 12 (as it appears these are all being made by one manufacturer) and switch to the iPhone mini which I believe has a display that is being made by Samsung. Hoping for a quality product And will check back in here once people start receiving the mini on the 13th to see if any issues with it.
 
iPhone mini which I believe has a display that is being made by Samsung.
I have not been able to read any source confirming that the iPhone 12 Mini or iPhone 12 Pro Max have a panel manufactured by Samsung.

If someone has a link then pls share it otherwise this is rather just a guess from a lot of people across different threads and without any evidence.
 
I have not been able to read any source confirming that the iPhone 12 Mini or iPhone 12 Pro Max have a panel manufactured by Samsung.

If someone has a link then pls share it otherwise this is rather just a guess from a lot of people across different threads and without any evidence.
I don’t think it’s likely that a source will ‘confirm’ it. I assume Apple suppliers would have a degree of confidentiality around their contracts. You could probably dig into announcements made to investors for each of the suppliers though I dent think they would name the device and just refer to an order for x million screens etc.

There are however various ‘reports’ on screen supply that indicate Samsung are producing 55 million of the iPhone 12 screens whilst LG are producing 20 million. One also indicates that all the LG screens are 6.1 inch screens and appears that Samsung are doing the mini, max, and some 12 pro screens. Nothing confirmed as you say, but noteworthy in my opinion.

https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-display-supplying-oled-panels-iphone-12/amp/



 
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Problem is, that it is already to yellow for my liking without true tone and night shift. Using color filter to get it right, makes it less vibrant. Yesterday there was a periode, where I wasn't bothered, but guess that was due to daylight.
Yeah, now that I’ve had more time with it, there is a weird yellow tint, even with True Tone off. The whole thing just looks bad. It reminds me of an old TN panel for my desktop. I think I’m gonna return it and stick with my XS another year.
 
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Even if they're manufactured by Samsung, I don't think we're getting away from warm color temperatures this year. Erica Griffin's Note 20 Ultra review shows that even those screens, when set to Natural/sRGB mode, are dingy and yellow.


She even measured 3 of them. Beginning to think this is just the way things are now.

The future is yellow.
 
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