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Not bad ideas. I'm not disappointed at all though. I think this is a great upgrade and really the main reason I am upgrading from my 4S is the LTE. I bought a galaxy s 3 outright and I sold it within 2 weeks because for lack of a better word it just sucked. It constantly froze up and I couldn't get used to have to look around 10 minutes to figure out how to change a setting. There probably won't be another game changing iPhone for a while. Why would there be? Apple has sold millions and millions of each iPhone. Each iPhone also outsells the previous so until an iPhone doesn't sell I don't see them changing much....
 
disappointed in latest minimal iPhone upgrade

I could not agree more with the sentiments on the disappointed iPhone release. Don't kid yourself. It is a minor upgrade. Now we find out that you cannot use voice and data at the same time which is something I thought would be a given in this latest iPhone. I think what we witnessed last week was a true "reality distortion field". We viewed the slick ads that talked about the slim design of the phone and how important it was to get all that was in the 4S into the new slim phone. Great, however, the battery life is the same, the camera is the same, the screen is .5 longer, Siri now does what Google has, its 4G lte which the other phones already had, and Maps is now on par with Google. So whats new here? By showing us (via slight of hand) how they engineered all this into a slightly thinner body, they were able to make us look away from the obvious. Its an improved iPhone 4S and thats all. By the very fact that they did not spend all that much time talking about it and that the price points are the same, well, what does that tell you? Apple is behind the curve on smartphone technology and they are trying real hard to hide that fact. Steve must be rolling over in his grave.:(
 
The buzz for the iPhone5 is not nearly what it was two years ago for the iPhone4. I am an Android fan, but I read all the Tech forums, and Apple fan sites, and it seems like many are ho hum on the new iPhone5, not many are freaking out for it like I remember the iPhone4 had crazy hype and people begging for that the i4.

To me the iPhone4 was the biggest deal for Apple, it was the first iPhone with the all new industrial and beautiful design, the first with the "retina" display, it was a real game changer for the smartphone world back in 2010. In 2012 Apple just sort of gives us more of the same, nothing like a jump from the 3GS to the iPhone4. The iPhone5 from the 4/4S does not feel like such a big deal as back in 2010.

To me am I disappointed, the iOS UI still is pretty much overall the same now for 5 years, still no widgets, no led notification light, and still just a screen full of app icons. To me it looks boring and outdated now in 2012, they need to freshen it up.

And the design of the iPhone5, yes it is very nice and solidly built, but it is a continuation for a third year in row of the same design, nothing new really.

Oh well, guess we have to now wait till 2014 for the iPhone6 to see a new design again and new UI.

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I have a lot of friends an family who are iPhone fans, most still have the iPhone4, and I am shocked to hear their response to the iPhone5, they all said will most likely probably get it, but none of them plan to run out and get it A.S.A.P. they said will wait a few months or early next year, and are perfectly happy with their old iPhone4.

But those same people were purchasing the iPhone4 right away when it came out, the first week or first month. And they had either the 3G or 3GS at the time going to the iPhone4.

So the iPhone5 to the people I know that love Apple, do not seem so excited about it, they side would like to see Windows 8 Phones later this year first, and possibly what the new Nexus device is like, before committing to the new iPhone5.
 
.....I'm not disappointed, I'm quite happy with it, but nice try in your attempt to apply this to everyone.

Yep. And I'll be quite happy with it as well once I receive it next week.



The faster processor, increased screen size, new design, better camera, faster data speeds, Siri, and other features, are more than just an incremental upgrade for me coming from an iPhone 4. Plus, I'm going back to a 32GB device from a 16GB iP4 (I had a 32GB 3GS, but figured I could make due with a 16GB iP4). I now need the extra storage.

If I were upgrading from a 4S, then more of the OP's points would apply to me.
 
When the iPhone4 came out, it was truly a HUGE upgrade, the first with that all new gorgeous design, and awesome retina display, no other phone could compete with that at the time. But now in 2012, with phones like the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy SIII, and the upcoming Nokia Lumia 920, there are options for people, that weren't really there two years ago.

Plus the iPhone5 just looks like a iPhone4-1/2, not nearly the change as going from a 3GS to the 4.
 
Data speeds. I don't want to hear about battery. The RAZR MAXX is thinner than the iPhone and under regular usage (Except streaming audio) can last between 15-24 hours and that's on 4G LTE; light usage up to 36 hours. That's assuming you DON'T use WiFi.

Screen size. Some would argue that the iPhone's size is perfect for them, and it probably is, especially women-folk. HOWEVER…there are a population of users who want larger screens and don't mind the "stretch". Apple must listen to these users, as I submit they would be the majority, especially as competitors release larger devices over time. And it's not just a taller screen; it has to have general size.

1 - Why can't I bring up battery? So many of my friends have had LTE phones for a while now... yet, none of them used it because they wanted their battery to last longer. Next, lets look at the percentage of Users that have access to LTE... Not much, granted it just got a lot better, but that was very recent. And going forward as it becomes more accessible... the iPhone 5 has LTE.

2 - I do not understand how people refer to the screen size of a phone as whether or not a phone is up to date. "The iPhone 5 is already outdated" argument, and they end up referring to screen size. It doesn't make sense to me, the manufacturer can make the phone whatever size they want. I wouldn't be against the iPhone having gotten a 4.3" screen instead of a 4", but its not up to me. I have been using the GS3 for a month (and I had a GS2 for 6 months), I do not need the huge screen, it is nice, yea... but there have been plenty of times where I had problems using it in one hand, which almost made me drop the phone.

For all those people who HAVE to have the bigger screens, their are plenty of options available. For those of us who enjoy iOS, iCloud, iTunes, we are happy. I do not have a desire to MOD/HACK my phone, it is not a hobby of mine, so I don't care about it (just like so many others), it is on the same level as screen size.

I get your arguments, but you speak like everyone should think like you. Its funny because I have a 4S for my work phone, and even while I had the GS3 sitting in my pocket, I found myself using the 4S because there were so many things that it does better then the GS3 (especially when it comes to apps)... So, I know I will prefer the iPhone 5 to the GS3... That is my opinion, and there will be plenty of people who agree with me, and plenty who disagree.

ADDITIONAL: My only disappointment with the new iPhone is that there was nothing that was a surprise to us. We literally new every aspect of the iPhone and what it was going to be for weeks (except for the name maybe, lots of arguments there). I wish they would have kept something out of the rumor mill to hit us with during the keynote. But this is not a big deal, and no reason for me to be disappointed with the phone. I will wait to pass judgment on the two tone, I have been skeptical about it since we first saw it
 
I love how you guys are saying nobody wants this phone when, as we speak, everyone is climbing all over themselves to order one. Pre-orders sold out in one hour, and ship times are starting to slip to 3 weeks already. It's online to dwarf the 4 and the 4S in sales.

Fortunately, people don't always read the utter BS they read online and actually think for themselves.
 
iPhone5 it's sold out :rolleyes:

F you Apple marketing. They do this ***** on purpose to grab headlines, by limiting supply on launch, to say it sold out. Apple knows full well roughly how many they need to have ready for a world wide launch. If it it's 8 million iPhone5's selling the first week, they will just have 7 million ready, knowing full well they could have 10 million ready and waiting, but wanna grab that big news headline, saying it's sold out.

Marketing / Sales 101; limit supply for higher demand. If people say hurry up, you better order and buy it now before they are all sold out, as opposed to say, oh we have tons of these in stock, don't worry, we'll have enough for when your ready to buy.
 
Great, however, the battery life is the same, the camera is the same, the screen is .5 longer, Siri now does what Google has, its 4G lte which the other phones already had, and Maps is now on par with Google. So whats new here?

First off, The camera is not the same. This is a common misconception involving camera's. A camera's megapixel's has NOTHING to do with the quality of the photo's it can take. Megapixel only has to do with the resolution of the photo and how much you can blow up the size of the photo without distortion.

Perfect example, I have a 12 Megapixel point and shoot Nikon. It is a pretty nice camera from a quality brand. My dad has an 5 Megapixel Digital SLR. His camera takes WAY better pictures than mine even though I have more Megapixels. The fact that the camera stayed with 8 MP, is great IMO. I do not need the hundreds of photos I take with my phone to take up even more space than they do now especially when it doesn't serve much of a purpose.

Second, they said the battery life is better than the 4S while using LTE. And what about all the people who don't even have LTE in their area. Why would they care if other phones already had it. Plus, you haven't used it, so you can't make comments on the battery, just like I can't.

I am not saying Apple couldn't have done a lot more with the iPhone 5... They are the most valuable company in the world, they can always do more... There is always something that could be added... Maybe they just didn't want to (or decided to wait). I could have added tomato to my sandwich today, it was possible, it was available, my girlfriend did it, but i chose not to.
 
The iphone users are loyal because of all the $$ they spend on the stupid apps. If they jump ship to Android they will have to pay for everything again. It's not rocket science, you know.

I think with every Android app you download you get 1 virus. The ratios could be off though lol
 
iPhone5 it's sold out :rolleyes:

F you Apple marketing. They do this ***** on purpose to grab headlines, by limiting supply on launch, to say it sold out. Apple knows full well roughly how many they need to have ready for a world wide launch. If it it's 8 million iPhone5's selling the first week, they will just have 7 million ready, knowing full well they could have 10 million ready and waiting, but wanna grab that big news headline, saying it's sold out.

Marketing / Sales 101; limit supply for higher demand. If people say hurry up, you better order and buy it now before they are all sold out, as opposed to say, oh we have tons of these in stock, don't worry, we'll have enough for when your ready to buy.

Um, no. Apple would never try a launch this big and then piss everyone off on purpose by selling out in one hour. It's inevitable that initial supplies will run out, but I guarantee Apple did not want it to happen this fast. You're going to see news stories in a few days about astounding pre-order sales.

EDIT: If you want to see a truly manufactured "sold out" situation, see Amazon's first gen Kindle announcements from a couple of weeks ago.
 
I think with every Android app you download you get 1 virus. The ratios could be off though lol

Android does require a little knowledge on the user's part, but its stuff you should be doing anyway (e.g. seeing what permissions an application requests). But yes, your ratios are extremely off, and unfunny.
 
The buzz for the iPhone5 is not nearly what it was two years ago for the iPhone4. I am an Android fan, but I read all the Tech forums, and Apple fan sites, and it seems like many are ho hum on the new iPhone5, not many are freaking out for it like I remember the iPhone4 had crazy hype and people begging for that the i4.

When something that was once a hot ticket becomes a general standard, the sheen does start to wear off in tech forums and fan sites because it is no longer considered to be "cool" at that point.

I guess what I'm saying is, it doesn't surprise me that we're seeing the iPhone become more accessible and therefore less coveted by tech enthusiasts as a result. Along the same lines, I can't blame a company for going in the direction that is going to net them a wider catch. As has happened with the Mac, we are seeing a maturing of the message around the technology and the shift from prosumers to general consumers.

This shift in no way indicates that the products are in decline or that the company is failing - just look at the sales numbers/stock price. It simply means that it is not the cool, new thing that us tech nerds are as enamored with because our grandmas all have one too.

History will tell how Apple finds its way through the timeline established in the original post this time around.
 
I'm thoroughly convinced (and threads like this simply reaffirm my belief) that all these Apple haters are paid shills. Seriously, who the ****** would go trolling on sites such as this with elaborately crafted posts, high quality videos (which no doubt come at high cost), negatively commenting on articles everywhere across the web, and all the time and effort invested in venomous attacks, endless diatribes and senseless rants, ad nauseum. Funny, you never see Apple fans go to such great lengths; they just simply enjoy their devices, happily trotting along.

You gotta get PAID (likely by some Korean plastic phone maker or Google, the biggest thief of ideas and personal information). Seriously, you MUST be getting paid. Else, I'd say you're a fool if you're doing it for free.

It's pretty simple really. Nobody cares. People want what they want, and AAPL shows us, DAILY, that people want Apple. Deal with it.
 
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Honestly, not disappointed at all. I don't know why you'd claim that and assume everyone is. Have I been in the eco-system too long? Possibly - but the iPhones do everything I pretty much need/want it to do. I'm happy that it's faster and can download faster. Bigger screen is a plus as well. What DO Android people do with their big screens anyway? Doesn't iOS account for most of the mobile web traffic?

The OS and the apps are part of the experience, and a huge reason why I'm sticking around. It's expected that developers for this platform need some style. If I wanted ugly pixelated graphics from the 90's, sure, I can switch over to Android.

No, I don't love everything they do or agree with all their decisions, but again, this phone is fast, and does pretty much everything I want it to do. Once you're already doing that, doing a major overhaul for the sake of change would be stupid. (The same reason why Amazon only does incremental UI changes and not complete overhauls.)

At the end of the day, I want my phone to just work, and provide a great experience when it does. I don't want to have to root it or whatever just to get certain things working. Sure, there will be a minority of people who want to do that, but the consumers as a whole just want a fast, solid smartphone that is easy to carry around. As long as a company can satisfy those people, the ones who complain online will continue to be the minority outliers.
 
this is all true

but if i compare the iphone 5 to any current iphone-competitor i get:

IMO, better looking phone - made from more interesting materials. (i hate plastic)

extremely good performance (in both cpu and battery)

flawless functionality between my mac and iphone

EASY to sell once i wanna replace it for whatever reason (already got a buyer for my 4S)

an upgrade compared to my 4S (although its a small one)
but in my country im only bound to my carrier for 6 months, so replacing a phone is no big deal. many many people do it once or twice a year. i stopped with that when i started to get iphones. ive had them for over a year each (except this current 4S, which i only got coz my old 4 died)
 
I didn't read all the word salad or watch the video, but I'll put my opinion here. I believe that many of the folks who are disappointed are experiencing Ralphie syndrome. You know the condition where they are 9 years old and for Christmas, ALL they want is a Red Ryder BB gun. And then once they've ripped open all of the boxes under the tree, they end up with socks and a pink bunny suit (and their little brother gets a zeppelin!)

Now, for the people who get over the disappointment, they find out that the item they were longing for was right in front of them the whole time. The ones who don't get over it are probably just empty shells and nothing will ever fill them.
 
Android does require a little knowledge on the user's part, but its stuff you should be doing anyway (e.g. seeing what permissions an application requests). But yes, your ratios are extremely off, and unfunny.

This sounds a lot like telling me I am holding the phone wrong :eek:

LOL
 
Alright he is some perspective for a professed Apple Fanboy who is now also an Android user.

I sold my 4S two weeks ago in anticipation of the 5 coming out, so I could maximize my resale value. Got $400 for it was awesome. But I was also out of having a phone so I needed something to hold me over. Since I work for AT&T and we just launched our Mobile Share plans (which we get a significant discount on) I opened a new line to add to my MS plan and picked up a GS3. Now i've tried Android before, and never stuck with it because I had my iPhone. iOS is just easier to use, and of course I have a significant app investment in iOS as well, but I still decided to give the GS3 a shot. It may be because I didn't have the iPhone to fall back on, but I am absolutely in LOVE with my GS3 and Android in general. You don't really know what you're missing in iOS until you don't have it and are forced to try something else. I love using widgets for instant info. I have found 98% of the apps that I used on iOS and most of them were free vs paid on the App Store. The ones I couldn't find, I found replacements for, which again for the most part were free. There is currently nothing aside from a few games (i.e. Infinity Blade's 1 & 2) that I don't have on my GS3 that I had on my iPhone. And all the apps function EXACTLY the same, with some exceptions, and those exceptions actually ADD functionality to the app since Android devs have access to EVERY API IN THE OS.

Now having said that I will say this. I pre-ordered the 5. After much deliberation I decided that I still like iOS and don't mind having two devices (one is for work anyway). Also I am learning to dev for both platforms, so having direct access to them is pretty much essential.

So the morale of this (albeit very long) story is, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH EITHER PLATFORM. They both have pros & cons, they both have a HUGE app selection, and I am happy to use both. But I will certainly agree that the iPhone 5 is a less than brilliant update to the platform, and my only real reason for getting one is because i'm a dev. Apple really needs to up their game to compete next year, and 5S is not going to cut, especially if it's as iterative of this release was.

Oh and one last thing...

[soapbox] Apple is out of their minds with the whole new dock connector thing. Millions of devices are now pretty much useless because they decided to change the almost decade old standard, pretty much on a whim. And $30-40 for an adapter that can't even do the same things the old one could is just ridiculous. They need to serious address this, or Android may actually end of winning since they are completely standardized with the use of Micro USB. Oh and for those that don't know, Apple is selling a Micro USB to Lightning adapter in the UK, but no plans to bring it here to the states. Another BONEHEAD move, IMO. [/soapbox]
 
iPhone5 it's sold out :rolleyes:

F you Apple marketing. They do this ***** on purpose to grab headlines, by limiting supply on launch, to say it sold out.

Oh really? So, when they release numbers every year, over and over again, showing that they sold more iPhones in less time than in previous years past, that's all just a lie?

It's a lot harder than you think to judge just how much demand is going to be out there. Especially when you have people shrilly harping about whoa horrible flop it's going to be and how no one wants the iPhone 5.

Apple knows full well roughly how many they need to have ready for a world wide launch. If it it's 8 million iPhone5's selling the first week, they will just have 7 million ready, knowing full well they could have 10 million ready and waiting, but wanna grab that big news headline, saying it's sold out.

I think Apple is well aware of what it needs to be able to provide to market. The real problem is that it's no small feat to organize multiple vendors, one of which threatened to sue to block the sale of the phone before it even goes on sale, to make 8-10 million phones, and have them delivered right on time to everyone who buys one. Vacations must be cancelled. extra staffing must be found. And that's true not just at Apple or Foxconn, but at AT&T, Sprint, Best Buy, Radio Shack, FedEx, UPS...

On top of this, everyone has to hope the defect rate on screens/radios/chips/glass/sapphire lenses/connectors/aluminum parts isn't too high to slow down production.

These phones aren't made by fairies sprinkling pixie dust on piles of molten glass and metal. Actual humans are assembling them, and even if they're mistreated, you can still only crack the whip so hard.

Marketing / Sales 101; limit supply for higher demand.

That works only when you dominate the market, and no one else even comes close to supplying what you do.

Right now, Economics 101 applies: Every person denied the opportunity to buy an iPhone due to product shortages is a potential lost customer. The longer one doesn't have a confirmed order, or an iPhone in-hand, the longer they have to consider the alternatives (android, Windows). And every lost customer buying something else is lost money to Apple.

Apple has more to gain from happy customers getting their iPhones (many of whom will line up to wait anyway), than lots of customers who are frustrated and can't get what they wanted to buy. And I'm pretty sure they're aware of that.
 
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Loved the Video :D:D:D

Also, having owned a Palm Pre, I agree that WebOS kicked a$$ !! It's truly sad it didn't take off how it should have! I would totally buy a well done WebOS device over Android and iOS ..and even Symbian had stupid Nokia not f**d it up!!

I reallymiss S60 [ Symbian ] and I wish Nokia had done more with either S60 and/or MeeGo.

Android is good, much improved with ICS and finally there with Jelly Bean.

I'm currently swap between the 4S and GS III.. but iOS is getting boring to use [ I don't play games on phones ] and I'm more inclined to use Android now over iOS.

Having said that, I'm not giving up my MBP for anything lol !!

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I also agree with whosoever said that Apple creates artificial shortage to boost sales and the ' I MUST have this phone since it's flying off the shelves!! ' feeling!

Subliminal marketing at it's best!!
 
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