Well even so, why did Apple put them in an inadequate casing with inadequate cooling then? Why use them (i9) at all? That is clearly on Apple. Not on Intel. It is like cramming a V8 in a Volkswagen Beetle and then blaming the V8.
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Well even so, why did Apple put them in an inadequate casing with inadequate cooling then? Why use them (i9) at all? That is clearly on Apple. Not on Intel. It is like cramming a V8 in a Volkswagen Beetle and then blaming the V8.
Na, that makes no sense. Simply put - even if Intel's die shrink was planned, this is a LARGE die size not small. Intel introduces the small die size CPUs first and only ramps up later in the release to larger size (at least a year). As it was already known about 6 months ago that even the small chips were delayed - you are talking about approximately 18 months of foreknowledge. As such Apple would have had a significant amount of time to do an emergency "redesign" of the case... more than enough time in isolation.
Early in the release yields would be low - on the verge of being money losing. The yield to die size is exponential, so a large die size would have a very very bad yield... this is why they start with small die sizes and work to improve yields to something reasonably acceptable.
did you miss the part where i said they should of not used the i9.... now if the i7 does the same witch it probably will but to less of a degree then i agree ether dont put out a laptop this year and wait or switch to ryzen
Logic Pro users...what does this i9 throttling issues mean for us? I see Adobe Premiere and some FCP comments about running the CPU at 100% during a render and/or other activities.
Is the i9 heat/throttling issue going to be problematic for Logic Pro?
Is the i9 heat/throttling issue going to be problematic for Logic Pro?
That stuff was designed to have an i7 inside and cool an i7... While the i9 takes 45W... Do you really think that such cooling system was designed for the power consumption of the i9?
It's not enough. Might make sense to get a 2017 refurbished and use an eGpu.
It's not enough. Might make sense to get a 2017 refurbished and use an eGpu.
It is very likely apple was expecting the 10nm chips to be out soon which would have been more efficient and support lpddr4. Hence they made a thinner design in 2016. But with no sign of it in 2018, they were forced to shove in the 8th gen into same design. Intel ceo also lost his job recently.
I still blame apple because I am buying from apple, not from intel.
If true this is all 100% on Apple. It's their product.
Of course if you push it to the max.
I also want one for logic but am holding out for now
My 2016 Macbook Pro can't even maintain its base clock of 2.7GHz under 100% load.. goes to 1.6GHz in a few seconds..
This isn't new, or related only to the 2018 i9.
This isn't new, or related only to the 2018 i9.
Exactly. If you are so worried about portability of the device then I would suggest you are not a 'PRO' user. You are probably using your mac for writing documents in a starbucks with your perfectly groomed beard, ironic tattoo and drinking a skinny no-foam, almond milk, pumpkin-spiced latte.
If needed I lug around a beaten to sh*t old heavy macbook pro (which weighs twice as much as the new models )with an A3 Wacom Intuos Pro tablet, iPad and notebooks.
If I need to do something beyond the abilities of my Macbook Pro, I have no issues lugging a 27" iMac into a clients office for a few days.
My point being is I would taken a laptop with an extra 1cm thickness and a little more weight over a super thin, glued together 'art' piece made to massage Ive's ego and so I look cool in starbucks
Right on the money! These are mislabeled MacBooks! I have yet to see a REAL MacBook Pro since 2012 Unibody!
If I need something light I have an iPad.
For those trying to argue "macOS isn't built for 6-core CPUs so that's why it's overheating" fail to realize the 2013 Mac Pro is available with a 6-core CPU and that the 2009/2010/2012 Mac Pros can be retrofitted with a 6-core or even dual 6-core CPUs. Those devices don't have issues like this.
No, or, I highly doubt it. Everybody here is freaking out over a poorly optimised software dealing with a new generation of chipset while rendering huge, 4K files. It’s hilarious how people on here are freaking out, when, like early adopters usually deal with, the i9’s performance will get sorted out through software optimisation. Us post-production/audio guys can laugh at this, while, “video pros,” don’t buy equipment that they need, but what they, “think,” they can get away with. These are also people who are cramming workstation-class workloads into a laptop with a spitfire processor...
Again, patience, as all of it will be sorted out. I highly doubt this chipset will reach maximum potential until Mojave.
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I blame Apple because they value form over function for their "Pro" line. Even if Intel managed a 10 nm process, Apple should still design their laptops to handle the most high-performance (and possibly most heat-generating) CPUs and GPUs available. Apple should have a "mobile workstation" model similar to the Dell Precision brand or Lenovo's Thinkpad P series. But now, Apple is obsessed with making things pretty and sleek and then the fan base blames Intel.
Thanks for sharing.
Just saw that the X1 Carbon (which I currently have) beat the new MacBook Pro 13” model although the X1 Carbon which was tested came with the i7 and the MacBook Pro 13” which was tested used the i5 processor.
Not sure during those tests though which model screen resolution was used as the X1 has quite a variety from poor to quite good. With the MacBook Pro though you don’t have all those Windows bugs to worry about and having owner both I can tell you that the new Windows based laptops still seem to have more bugs in them. That Thinkpad X1 seems to need daily updates for miscellaneous BS like Bios and all other kinds of BS. The only app installed on the X1 is Chrome and daily updates are happening by default!
If the new MacBook Pro 15” does not run too hot I will be happy.
My 2015 2.2ghz i7 can only hit 2.5 to 2.6ghz on prime95 but at least its passing its rated 2.2ghz clock speed. Bottom line is apple's MacBook Pro design is really an ultrabook design and should really have the 15w cpu in them. It can't handle a 4ghz turbo not to mention an i9 4.8ghz turbo.
Bad PR will end when Apple actually decides to put again good quality computers for a reasonable price.
Right now they are selling an ok spec computer that are way way overpriced and actually going backwards in terms of innovation.
1- No mag-safe
2- limited amount of ports for a "Pro" macbook. 1 used for power, 1 used for external monitor, leaves with 2 usable ports (without a hub).
3- Base model shipping with a 256GB internal...Really? 256gb internal for a "Pro" Laptop that costs $2400??
4- Way overpriced due to a Touchbar that no one cares. (No model without a touchbar either). The touchbar and base model specs are really excuses to overcharge. A decent base model will actually cost you $2900.00
5- Both RAM and HD are NOT upgradables since they are soldered. This is actually a joke. No only is bad because you cannot upgrade but also is really bad if you need to repair it.
6- Same bad keyboard that 2017.
Also, macOS (or more specifically its Unix heritage) was specifically built for scaleability.
Looks like they gave professionals a little bit too much of what they wanted, more or less willingly crossing obvious limitations of current hardware
Be careful what you wish for, Apple might actually be listening to you
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According to Geekbench, even the 2.6 GHz i7 is not producing the increase in multi-core performance over the 2.2 GHz i7 that clock speeds alone might suggest (about half), suggesting some throttling there as well.
You can spec up a 2.2 GHz model to the memory and storage capacity you want and save a little bit of cash over the 2.6 GHz model; probably even a bit of battery life as well. I think that's what I'd do given the otherwise significant boost from 4 cores to 6 in this generation.
First time I've not wanted the fasted processor available!
You can spec up a 2.2 GHz model to the memory and storage capacity you want and save a little bit of cash over the 2.6 GHz model; probably even a bit of battery life as well. I think that's what I'd do given the otherwise significant boost from 4 cores to 6 in this generation.
First time I've not wanted the fasted processor available!
I have the top of the line 6th Gen X1 Carbon and its flat out AMAZING. Apple could really take a lesson from Lenovo. The computer handles heat perfectly. Mine is set to 2.1ghz at 25w from factory which is the chips max setting and it handles everything perfectly. It's quad core, the keyboard is awesome, the new trackpad is just like a Mac trackpad and the screen is out of this world. Mine came with a 1tb super fast Samsung drive, top of the line, and 16gb memory with 8650U quad core and 500nit screen. It's super thin and light and has all the ports you need. All for $1800.
I love it but it's not running OSX which I love but windows 10 is not horrible.