The thing is these MacBooks were designed for quad core i7s not hexacore i9s. I think this situation is similar to what happened with the 2011 MacBook Pros that had the Core 2 Quads and discrete GPUs. They had originally been designed for the Core 2 Duos. I think the extra heat from the CPUs was what caused the Radeons to keep failing in those.
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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues
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The thing is these MacBooks were designed for quad core i7s not hexacore i9s. I think this situation is similar to what happened with the 2011 MacBook Pros that had the Core 2 Quads and discrete GPUs. They had originally been designed for the Core 2 Duos. I think the extra heat from the CPUs was what caused the Radeons to keep failing in those.
Wait, Intel designed the chassis, chose to offer that i9 as a $300 upgrade, and came up with the thermal solution?
To be fair, this could simply be a defective laptop/chip/paste application and a regular i9 could run cooler than a polar bear's toenails. Or it could be overly aggressive throttling because a 6-core chip might need more room to breathe. But to back the bus up and park the wheels firmly on Intel...
To be fair this guy is a colossal winer who makes a living attacking apple now.
C'mon guys USE YOUR HEADS!
C'mon guys USE YOUR HEADS!
I'm talking about Intel failing at shrinking the die. If these were 10nm parts this probably would not be happening! This is what the 4th 14nm gen? Broadwell, Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake. They've hit a road block.
I hope Cannon Lake and Ice Lake arrive sooner than later.
That would be 86, 100, 76 degrees Celsius respectively. Hot for light work, even in those real units
Unfortunately the throttling was already expected/feared already for tbe i9 if one wasn‘t a true believer. Sad if it turned out to be true now, anyway.
He might just be located in the wrong country/state, though, living it wrong.
It seems like Apple could use a Quality Assurance department. Because whatever they have now is not acceptable. I've been a QA Engineer for 25 years and it seems the level of defects and bugs is unacceptable for a company of this stature.
Macbook Pro needs a redesign ASAP.
The touchbar gimmick was totally useless and the awful butterfly keyboard was a disaster in both MacBook Pro and 12” Macbook.
I don’t understand why Apple is so stubborn and refuse to accept they messed up.
They are doing great with iPads and iPhones,Watch and Airpods etc but when it comes to Macbooks they have really lost the plot.
The touchbar gimmick was totally useless and the awful butterfly keyboard was a disaster in both MacBook Pro and 12” Macbook.
I don’t understand why Apple is so stubborn and refuse to accept they messed up.
They are doing great with iPads and iPhones,Watch and Airpods etc but when it comes to Macbooks they have really lost the plot.
Yes, it does - it is still early on.
The thermal camera he was using was not showing unusually high temperatures - so I wonder the current OS is not being overly conservative.
I would wait for a site like Anandtech to review it. You also have to compare it against other computers using the same chip (which I don't think is the chip that is in the current batch of Windows computers). You might find maybe the chip itself is overstating the performance. It could be that the chip requires an overly aggressive fan solution to work properly.
The professionals that they had brought in -- seemed to be happy with it... but either way -- best to wait a couple weeks before jumping the gun.
Others are countering that the throttling is not thermal related and that Premiere is unoptimized for the i9. I don't even have a 2018 MacBook i9 but I'm going to chill (no pun intended) and let the experts check this out. Hopefully, it results in future MacBook Pros getting much improved cooling. As the owner of a former flagship MacBook Pro, I can attest to it really sucking when your CPU throttles.
Apple tends to apply the paste rather liberally from what I've seen which is as bad as applying to little. Impossible to know without removing the heatsink but risking the warranty on a less than one week old machine is not something many people would want to do.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
The Intel Core i9-8950HK is a high-end processor for laptops with six cores based on the Coffee Lake architecture and was announced early 2018. The processor clocks at between 2.9- 4.8 GHz (4.3 GHz with 6 cores) and can execute up to twelve threads simultaneously thanks to Hyper-Threading. The 4.8 GHz can only be reached using the "Thermal Velocity Boost" which allows one core to boost to 4.8 GHz (+200 MHz) as long as the CPU temperature is below 50°C. Multiple cores can be boosted +100 MHz below 50°C.
The Intel Core i9-8950HK is a high-end processor for laptops with six cores based on the Coffee Lake architecture and was announced early 2018. The processor clocks at between 2.9- 4.8 GHz (4.3 GHz with 6 cores) and can execute up to twelve threads simultaneously thanks to Hyper-Threading. The 4.8 GHz can only be reached using the "Thermal Velocity Boost" which allows one core to boost to 4.8 GHz (+200 MHz) as long as the CPU temperature is below 50°C. Multiple cores can be boosted +100 MHz below 50°C.
The Bad PR will end when Apple gets their heads out of their asses, and starts making real Pro laptops for Pro users. Stop making them so anemically thin!!!!!!!
i disagree, just found his channel like last week and he make some really good points.
and why are you guys surprised. apple didn't redesign the chassis, and the thing was alrdy getting toasty from a 4 core, how do you think a 6 core is gonna manage.
you don't have to be a apple hater to have some common sense
That’s why this segment made me roll my eyes at the time. Phil Schiller trying to up sell the MBP as an alternative to the Mac Pro. (Because they were arguably still thinking of dropping Mac Pros entirely back then).
Can you imagine telling your client you’re gonna deliver their edit late because your workstation is throttling?
Can you imagine telling your client you’re gonna deliver their edit late because your workstation is throttling?
That has nothing to do with this though. Bringing an unprompted, unrelated issue into a topic just to - to do what actually? That's pretty much deflection.
Pointing out facts =/= attacking.
People don't want to use their heads.
They want an excuse to not buy a 15" MBP.
YouTubers use their heads and work out by giving them what they want.
Which "facts"
The ones he just made up?
It’s early days yet. Let’s hold off with the pitchforks and tar until we see if any more similar reports surface. The dude could just have gotten a clunker.
Of course, the Fanbois who love their meta commentary should also hold off until more time has passed. It’s early days yet, so you might want to wait a bit before telling this dude that he’s just holding it wrong.
Of course, the Fanbois who love their meta commentary should also hold off until more time has passed. It’s early days yet, so you might want to wait a bit before telling this dude that he’s just holding it wrong.
What gets me is that for several months now, since these 6-core CPUs were first released, folks on the PC side have been screaming about how hot and prone to throttling they are in things like 10lb 17" Alienware notebooks.
Not to pick on Alienware, that's just one particularly bad example. The Notebookreview forums are overflowing with people talking about repasting and undervolting all manner of machines to try and tame these CPUs, because a bunch of OEMs saw fit to shoehorn them into existing designs.
For real, the minute I saw that Apple had updated the machines without making any changes to accommodate the additional heat, I just shook my head. I've been considering buying a gaming notebook and retiring my desktop, since mobile GPUs are so capable now, but reading one horror story after another about 8th gen CPUs thermal throttling even in massive gaming notebooks has convinced me to wait maybe another generation.
But if Alienware can't properly cool an 8950HK in a 17", 10lb, 1" thick monster, how the heck can Apple expect it to do anything but choke in something like the 15" MacBook Pro chassis?
I remember my 2011 MBP would run really freaking hot as it was a first-gen quad-core MBP. My 2012 was a lot better. It’s the only time I’ve upgraded a Mac in a year, lol. My next best record is three years. But then the rMBP had the crap LG display with image retention but at least Apple fixed that with a swap to a Samsung display after a quick round trip through their repair center in Austin, TX.
I’m no expert and this is one example, but it’s a shame if Apple is responsible for this. Just another reason to switch to your own processors in my eyes. Tech will continue to become thinner and lighter, you’ll need end to end control to do this.