So just admit you don’t have all the answers and move on while continuing to be an “Apple customer of 22 years and counting”. It’s amusing that you think you know exactly what Apple engineers are missing.
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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues
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who said that? I remember Apple releasing 2015 Macbook Pros with AMD graphics and there were some computational chemistry apps that required a GeForce app to run. Are you saying 2015 Macbooks aren't pros because of your artificial requirement that these computers run every single pro app?
In my experience having a hackintosh for 10 years, you get excellent stability. Hell, you get more stability than on native Apple hardware. When I first got this Macbook Pro in 2016, there were tons of issues with it, graphic driver glitches etc. Zero issues on my hackintosh, same macOS version.
Sorry Apple, I still ❤️you.
This +1000. So many so-called “experts” here who appear to know exactly what ails Apple, yet not a single one willing to step up and do more than whine on a forum.
They give MKBHD devices and event invites all the time. And he is highly critical of some of their products.
Whatever dude. Your mind is clearly made up on this issue, so best of luck and cheers.
This is silly. Pointing out flaws and issues does not require one to apply for a job.
Whining about alleged whining doesn't make you any better. Also, the issues we are discussing are failures of leadership and product management, not engineering.
Thanks for the clarification. However, I think you are contradicting yourself by first acknowledging that REAL powerful laptops need sufficient cooling, which can sometimes make them bulky and heavy, then by saying that the MBP is still a powerful laptop. The MBP is not a powerful laptop now and will never be a powerful laptop again until Apple changes the design to account for sufficient cooling.
Intel, AMD, and Nvidia will continue to push the envelope with their processors and GPUs. As they make these components more powerful, these components will (at first) release more heat. The only way Apple can get around this with the MBP and keep the current design is to use less powerful processors and GPUs in the MBP, or severely throttle the more power processors, like they are doing with the i9. Other manufacturers like Asus, Dell, and Razer have figured out how to make thin and powerful laptops with proper cooling, why can't Apple this out?
iMacs are a lost cause and they might as well be laptops. Sure, an iMacs has enough space for sufficient cooling, however, being an all-in-one (or a custom design), iMacs are not as easily upgrade-able as a traditional tower PC. I haven't seen many aftermarket coolers for iMacs, so I don't think you could easily fix any thermal issues you encounter with them. I think it is best just to save yourself some money and build a high end hackingtosh.
Because at the moment apple designs are headed by an industrial designer and not an engineer
Sure there is, make a MacBook in 12” and 15”, and the PRO, in 13” and 15”. The soy boys can still have their ultra thin web browsing machine, and the pros can have some power that requires a little more heft.
Buy Apple wont do that, because form>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>function
I can't think of a time they've released something that they know won't work the way it's advertised.
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Hehe. No offense. Several of my friends have each had multiple horrible experience with Lenovo laptops, usually relating to heat problems that Lenovo must've either known about or didn't bother testing.
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It just says pro, not creative pro. The MBP (except maybe this new i9 if the rumor is true) is still a great machine for people who heavily use computers for their professions, myself (software engineer) included. Actually macOS is the most pro-friendly thing about the Mac, loaded with utilities, devoid of bloat, and designed well instead of being short-sighted like Windows.
If you're a creative pro, I'm sorry. I was a creative amateur a while back and loved making videos using Apple products. Lots of my friends' families were in the film business in LA/Hollywood. Seems Apple turned their back on their market long ago, not just the hardware but the software too, and let everyone go to Windows... and also the filmmakers moved from LA to Georgia, USA, lol.
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I just used OCCT to load up 4 cores / 8 threads on a PowerSpec 1510 gaming laptop with a 7700HQ (2.8Ghz base clock). It instantly hit its maximum boost clock with all cores under load (3.4Ghz) and maintained average temps in the mid 60's C. I ran 3DMark a few times and it boosted to a constant 3.5Ghz (3.4Ghz for the CPU/physics test) across the board, with temps in the mid 50's and low 60's.
Of course, this machine weighs 6.5 pounds (not huge by gaming laptop standards) and has a real cooling system. The point being, those people here claiming that all laptops throttle are simply wrong. They don't. Only laptops that have been fitted with components they aren't equipped to handle do.
I love my MacBook Pro, I really do, but I really don't understand why Apple doesn't use CPUs that are appropriate to their chassis designs. And charging people $300 to "upgrade" to a 2.9Ghz/4.8Ghz CPU that can't even run at reliably at its base clock -- that's just plain shady.
This PowerSpec is 6.5 pounds and over an inch thick for a good reason. But it also justifies its measurements by allowing the CPU to perform at peak performance while remaining nice and cool.
Of course, this machine weighs 6.5 pounds (not huge by gaming laptop standards) and has a real cooling system. The point being, those people here claiming that all laptops throttle are simply wrong. They don't. Only laptops that have been fitted with components they aren't equipped to handle do.
I love my MacBook Pro, I really do, but I really don't understand why Apple doesn't use CPUs that are appropriate to their chassis designs. And charging people $300 to "upgrade" to a 2.9Ghz/4.8Ghz CPU that can't even run at reliably at its base clock -- that's just plain shady.
This PowerSpec is 6.5 pounds and over an inch thick for a good reason. But it also justifies its measurements by allowing the CPU to perform at peak performance while remaining nice and cool.
The "Pro" laptop doesn't have to be the lightest or the thinnest. It has the offer the features that "Pros" want! Seriously, when is Apple going to pull their head out of their a**?
I'm not panicking. I said I want to see more tests and can't believe they'd do it. I've been very careful this whole time not to assume any wrongdoing on Apple's part, but if more tests come in verifying this guy's video, it's horrible news.
The irony for the i9 is that perhaps in the retina model series it would have the space (and ports) to be a great pro machine.
Unreal engine tests results...
look out for the spikes.
Conclusion: when i9 is under heavy load, it throttles HARD, and in my case, can only maintain an avg clock speed of ~2.4ghz, 0.5ghz below the base 2.9ghz
Start up
Test 1 Production Lighting rendering, SL 1.0
Test 2 Production Lighting rendering, SL 0.1
Spike at the end
look out for the spikes.
Conclusion: when i9 is under heavy load, it throttles HARD, and in my case, can only maintain an avg clock speed of ~2.4ghz, 0.5ghz below the base 2.9ghz
Start up
Test 1 Production Lighting rendering, SL 1.0
Test 2 Production Lighting rendering, SL 0.1
Spike at the end
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Apple really is incompetent when it comes to the "pro" market. I mean, just BLOWING it. I've been forced to work with Windows 10 and Adobe CS and I have to tell you that the Mac OS is still superior, however not superior enough to have me wait 2-5X longer for renders.
PC desktops and laptops SO MUCH FASTER at a fraction of the price. It's never been this bad in my 31 years of using Macs (first Mac in 1987)
An external video card chassis that can't be upgraded? A "pro" laptop that is super thin and light that is throttled because it's super thin and light?
I hope that mythical "modular" Mac Pro comes out in 2019 or I am seriously going to bail after decades of being a Mac fanatic. I refuse to buy a $6K iMac Pro.
I'm sure theres some absolutely ****** Lenovo laptops out there. My own experience has been good, I've left several-hour long Maya renders running on my Lenovo without the temperture breaking 70 C. No throttling :3
What model, out of curiousity? I have a ThinkPad T580 that I am very happy with so far, but I also don't do any rendering.