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Why not place the camera in the centre (diagonally).
That way it would overcome the worst problem of an edge mounted camera. Specifically the lack of eye contact we’ve all discovered during video calls.
Cuz camera modules are not 0.1mm and it would cut into battery itself. Not a complexity you want for a device in this price range but I'm sure future flagship phones will have it.
 
Xiaomi has also talked about
Why not place the camera in the centre (diagonally).
That way it would overcome the worst problem of an edge mounted camera. Specifically the lack of eye contact we’ve all discovered during video calls.

I remember reading somewhere about Xiaomi talking about under screen front camera. They mentioned that the area of screen above the camera will become clear/transparent when using the front camera to allow sufficient light. This might be a reason why the camera is not placed in the center.
 
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Apple should be ashamed of themselves, largest company in the world and they got beat by some small Chinese company...

Apple doesn’t believe in nonsense features... While everyone retained the audio jack- Apple said we’re no conformist
 
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Why not place the camera in the centre (diagonally).
That way it would overcome the worst problem of an edge mounted camera. Specifically the lack of eye contact we’ve all discovered during video calls.
It would definitely make sense, however it would create issues with the internal layout. The camera modules take up quite a lot of depth for good quality optics, so components like battery and logic boards would need to be designed around a component in the middle of the chassis - it wouldn't be a trivial task.

This is the reason why we don't have 1080p+ FaceTime cameras in MacBooks - the display is too thin to house better sensors and optics. People forget that iPhones are pretty much 4x the thickness of a MacBook Pro display.
 
I’m okay with those who want technology just brought out of the labs. But that’s why Huawei, Samsung, etc. exist. Don’t ask Apple to become that, it’s the exact opposite.
 
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It seems very cool but I wonder how it'll work trying to ensure you're looking at the camera while taking a selfie. They could feature a "look here" indicator sort of like the iPad, maybe.
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Why not place the camera in the centre (diagonally).
That way it would overcome the worst problem of an edge mounted camera. Specifically the lack of eye contact we’ve all discovered during video calls.
Indeed, that's a great idea.
 
It has a chin. A chin is a bezel. Therefore, it has an asymmetric bezel. Furthermore, the picture quality of the camera might be sacrificed due to it being under the screen.

When will all this anti-bezel madness finally end? Bring back the bezel!

 
Cool tech, great design. When’s it coming to iPhone but with Face ID etc. underneath it too?

If Apple doesn’t release that in 2021, their iPhone is DOA for myself and their innovation game / investment into R&D is done. If they hadn’t have been researching for this since they went with the notch, then they’ve wasted their time over 5 years. 2021 or bust.
 
Happy to see progress in this area. No rush to implement on iPhone though as I would prefer other companies to work out any potential issues.
 
This is the sort of engineering invovation and leap forward that we should be expecting from Apple, not it's competitors.

Worry not. Apple will dish out the same thing over again in 5 years citing their innovation being best in the history of innovations maybe ever.
 
Damn, that looks nice! Shame about the asymmetrical bezels. And the back. Real shame about the back.

I remember reading somewhere about Xiaomi talking about under screen front camera. They mentioned that the area of screen above the camera will become clear/transparent when using the front camera to allow sufficient light. This might be a reason why the camera is not placed in the center.
That makes sense (as well as battery placement). Personally I don’t want the front facing camera any lower in the body of the phone - it’s generally an unflattering angle already! The rear camera on the other hand I wouldn’t mind being centred like in traditional cameras.


I never understood why so many phones have a slightly thicker bottom bezel. Why can’t they copy Apple in folding the display controller? Does Apple have a patent on that?
Yeah, I dislike it too, but I don’t think Apple has a clever solution that others don’t use, Apple just has thicker bezels all around.
 
Why not place the camera in the centre (diagonally).
That way it would overcome the worst problem of an edge mounted camera. Specifically the lack of eye contact we’ve all discovered during video calls.
Because the pixels directly above the camera will be turned off when the camera is being used. It basically turns into a black screen to eliminate light interference with the camera sensor. You don't want that blackout spot right in the middle of the screen as you're video calling or taking a selfie.
 
This is truly remarkable!!!

And although it's likely there will be some issues with image quality in the first iteration, this is definitely a step towards the right direction.

Can't wait for Apple to implement something like this 5 years from now 😝
Still waiting for competitions to implement a reliable FaceID. Appears they’ve all given up.
 
Apple is more interested in profit these days. Innovation is something for last century.
Yeah because an iPhone that was all screen without a notch wouldn’t sell or anything. :rolleyes:

So is this just a selfie camera or does it include face unlock? Has anyone seen a photo of the actual phone (not a render)? Has anyone seen what kind of photos this camera takes? Sure this render looks nice but how does it work?
 
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Cool tech, great design. When’s it coming to iPhone but with Face ID etc. underneath it too?

If Apple doesn’t release that in 2021, their iPhone is DOA for myself and their innovation game / investment into R&D is done. If they hadn’t have been researching for this since they went with the notch, then they’ve wasted their time over 5 years. 2021 or bust.

I REALLY think Apple is going to be fine. If I had to pick between Apple or ZTE going bust as you say, it would be ZTE.
 
The hypocrisy of some Apple supporters is disturbing. When Apple releases a new iphone or macbook or ipad, one of the biggest critisms Apple gets from all quarters which you see in this forum, including Apple supporters is that whilst the internal hardware has had upgrades (faster processor, larger memory size, larger storage size), the styling is the same and there being a lack of innovation. Now here is a thread of a competing phone company showing a new innovation which results in people questioning Apples stance on innovation and suddenly out comes all the possible excuses in support of Apple as to why we have not seen any inovation from them.

One of the biggest excuses that gets used is 'Apple does not do first, they do best'. That might be so for many people but for someone such as me who is a Apple customer and long time user of Apple products, I want to see 'first', I want to see what the creative minds at Apple (if they have any) are capable of. I want to see 'creativity' just like it was in the past. Just look at the macbook range, same looking machine year after year but with improved specs year after year. I want different. Apple was always about 'Think different' but I am not seeing that and by the looks of the many posts on the subject in numerous sections of the forum, there is a huge majority who think the same way, we want different, not the same.
 
Apple has shamelessly never cared about being first.

People don’t remember who did it first. They remember who did it the best.

Apple didn’t make the first MP3 player, Smartphone, tablet, Smartwatch or wireless earphones. Yet we remember the iPod, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch and AirPods because Apple waited to do it right.

That doesn’t take away from ZTE though. This is truely awesome.
Well said sir.
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The hypocrisy of some Apple supporters is disturbing. When Apple releases a new iphone or macbook or ipad, one of the biggest critisms Apple gets from all quarters which you see in this forum, including Apple supporters is that whilst the internal hardware has had upgrades (faster processor, larger memory size, larger storage size), the styling is the same and there being a lack of innovation. Now here is a thread of a competing phone company showing a new innovation which results in people questioning Apples stance on innovation and suddenly out comes all the possible excuses in support of Apple as to why we have not seen any inovation from them.

One of the biggest excuses that gets used is 'Apple does not do first, they do best'. That might be so for many people but for someone such as me who is a Apple customer and long time user of Apple products, I want to see 'first', I want to see what the creative minds at Apple (if they have any) are capable of. I want to see 'creativity' just like it was in the past. Just look at the macbook range, same looking machine year after year but with improved specs year after year. I want different. Apple was always about 'Think different' but I am not seeing that and by the looks of the many posts on the subject in numerous sections of the forum, there is a huge majority who think the same way, we want different, not the same.
If you want to see what the creative minds at Apple are doing, follow the patents.
 
I remember reading somewhere about Xiaomi talking about under screen front camera. They mentioned that the area of screen above the camera will become clear/transparent when using the front camera to allow sufficient light. This might be a reason why the camera is not placed in the center.

I was just thinking that they could at least simplify image capture by making the screen go dark (or white) right as the shutter button is pressed, similar to Apple's selfie "flash." There is still the physical display to "see" through, but at least they don't have to be quite as sophisticated as trying to hit a PWM cycle or color-correct every single pixel in front of the camera lens. How they do video would have to be different, though.

It seems very cool but I wonder how it'll work trying to ensure you're looking at the camera while taking a selfie. They could feature a "look here" indicator sort of like the iPad, maybe.

Could be as easy as just programming the screen preview window so it is always centered on top of the camera; that would more or less force you to look at where the camera is. It might mean that the selfie preview isn't full-screen or centered on the display overall, but on a lower-cost phone, a kludgy UI might be what you get instead of a truly centered camera and its potentially complex battery setup.
 
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