Canada iTMS November 30?
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agentkow
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rhpenguin said:
Not to say I'm not dissapointed, but what are all these other dissapointments and times when Apple has failed that people keep referring to?
Is it just when things took a while to ship, or when a supplier couldn't get chips and they announced that, or what?
Yvan256 said:
who really gives a **** about if downloading music falls under the dictionary definition of stealing. This is becoming really annoying and useless.
The fact of the matter is yes that you do pay a levy (unless you fall in the zero-rating category) for the CDs Tapes or mp3 players that you buy. But i suggest that you check out CPPC and notice that they sat for at least 2 years before paying anyone any money "CPCC made its first payments early in 2003". Would you like it if your boss didn't pay you for 2 years?
Also "Since no inventory of privately copied tracks exists, distribution is based on representative samples of radio airplay and album sales, which are given equal weight in the distribution. Together they provide a proxy for determining the titles that Canadians typically copy for private use. Internet usage is not referenced in the distribution as no adequate documentation of this activity currently exists. Samples are regularly used by copyright collectives because the cost of capturing and analyzing all available information would be excessive." source
So if you d/l some dumb song by the country bumpkins or some other ****** song. They will most likely not get paid, since no one else listens to them, buys their albums, or plays them on the radio. And the rich artists get richer, so there goes your idea of being robin hood, and sticking it to the man.
I strongly suggest you check out the CCPA website, and maybe you'll learn that you're not actually helping all the artist whose songs you "steal".
Now please for the love of god can we stop talking about this!!!!
Where is my iTMS?????
nagromme
macrumors G5
November's not over YET, but...
Looks like Canadians may be awaiting some micro-announcement from Apple tomorrow, formal or otherwise, along the lines of "last-minute legal challenges" and "as soon as these issues can be resolved"... which could be months as easily as days.
I wonder if they'll be willing to point fingers at the source of the stalling? Probably not--it would only worsen whatever antagonization they are facing from the recording industry in Canada.
Far better would be a technical hang-up--those can be solved quicker and with fewer lawyers and contracts!
But don't give up hope until the rest of the world gets the big Tuesday update. If that's delayed, even for a day or two, then it seems like Canada MIGHT still be coming soon.
Looks like Canadians may be awaiting some micro-announcement from Apple tomorrow, formal or otherwise, along the lines of "last-minute legal challenges" and "as soon as these issues can be resolved"... which could be months as easily as days.
I wonder if they'll be willing to point fingers at the source of the stalling? Probably not--it would only worsen whatever antagonization they are facing from the recording industry in Canada.
Far better would be a technical hang-up--those can be solved quicker and with fewer lawyers and contracts!
But don't give up hope until the rest of the world gets the big Tuesday update. If that's delayed, even for a day or two, then it seems like Canada MIGHT still be coming soon.
ChrisH3677
macrumors 6502a
Yvan256 said:
I agree with you but you are being a bit harsh on him, coz you forget language evolves and this type of pirating of music is now beginning to be referred to as stealing or theft.
rhpenguin
macrumors 6502a
agentkow said:
Disapointments from my iBook
two logic board replacements and a third thats starting to go screwey... a dead hdd, cdrom that wouldnt stay shut and a wonky trackpad...
Disapointments from my iPod
Broke 7 months after buying it > had to buy Applecare $100 or pay $30 to get it serviced. Scheduled service 3 weeks ago and still waiting for packing material to send it back.
As said... another disapointment from Apple...
StarbucksSam
macrumors 65816
For the record, I did not believe it. I believed it on the 26th, but not today. Man, where are these sources getting this?
nagromme
macrumors G5
Yvan256 said:
A few points--not just to the author above but in general:
1. "Stealing" IS used to refer to piracy all the time, and people know what you mean by it. It's not technically correct legalese, but people don't discuss things in legalese. So informally, calling it stealing is perfectly comprehensible. And you'll find LOTS of informal on forums
2. Whatever word you use, that doesn't make it right. So piracy isn't stealing. Murder isn't stealing either. Does that make murder right? Piracy is different from physical theft--and still wrong.
3. When you download Kill Bill, you ARE taking something from the creator's pocket: the money you WOULD have spent to buy the movie, or rent it, or see it in a theater. But, you say, I would never have spent ANY money on the movie. I don't want to see it bad enough to spend money on it, so pirating it is OK. The thing is, that's what EVERYONE says--and yet some of them WOULD in fact buy some of what they pirated, if they had no illegal option. Piracy DOES TAKE MONEY out of the pockets of artists, and the companies those artists agreed to work with. So that argument only works if piracy was ONLY done by people who didn't WANT what they were pirating
Or people who were both honest AND correct (two rare things) about what they would have done in a different world. Pirate 100 movies and you'll say you didn't want any of them enough to pay, and/or can't afford them yet feel you deserve to have them. But if you couldn't pirate them... you very likely would have found the money to buy some of them. You can deny it, all pirates can, but it's just plain reality that people DO pirate INSTEAD of paying.4. The tax-on-media thing in Canada is also utterly wrong. Wrong solution that punishes the wrong people.
5. I blame the pirates first and foremost for the whole problem. The people responding badly TO the pirates share blame as well, of course.
reckless_0001
macrumors 6502
JDOG_ said:
a couple of scenarios...
1. Maybe they are still negotiating, and as soon as they finish this evening they will open the store. From Apple's press release last week it sounded like they were really heavy into negotiating.
2. They didn't update the iTunes music store and add Canada to the list of countries yet, because they are going to release a huge format change this evening.
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nagromme
macrumors G5
rhpenguin said:
Apple's industry-leading hardware reliability for both laptops and desktops doesn't help you one BIT if you're one of the unlucky few who still had problems. I feel your pain! I've had some frustrations too, starting with an IBM TravelStar HD that died a few weeks after I got my PBG3. Nonetheless, in that regard, Apple has for years disappointed far LESS than any other PC maker. Consumer Reports does large-scale surveys that show that--and they don't even LIKE Macs. (You could comment on quality-control in the whole INDUSTRY being below par--from components to software flaws--and I'd agree 200%! Apple may be the best of bad bunch--bad enough that in a NON-computer product, we'd never tolerate such issues. The worst? I vote for eMachines from personal experience, but maybe MS and security gets the prize
)I think, instead, that the "repeated disappointments' people refer to fall into three categories:
1. Products being wildly successful, after which there are backorders for a time. Those at the BACK of the line are indeed disappointed
2. IBM having problems shipping G5s in sufficient quantities to keep the Power Mac line happily fed.
3. Rumors being wrong, and people acting as if those rumors were promises from Apple. (Remember how nobody ever bought any iPod Minis, since they were "rumor-promised" to cost $99?
)I don't think THIS falls into any of those. (But a prediction is not the same as a promise, either. And a failed prediction isn't the same as a lie. At worst, a delay without an explanation coming within a day or two would be bad PR--which is still plenty frustrating for those who are waiting!)
Stella
macrumors G3
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Originally Posted by agentkow
Not to say I'm not dissapointed, but what are all these other dissapointments and times when Apple has failed that people keep referring to?
Is it just when things took a while to ship, or when a supplier couldn't get chips and they announced that, or what?
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Shortage of almost all Apple products.
Oh, and not forgetting the iPod Socks were late too!!
Originally Posted by agentkow
Not to say I'm not dissapointed, but what are all these other dissapointments and times when Apple has failed that people keep referring to?
Is it just when things took a while to ship, or when a supplier couldn't get chips and they announced that, or what?
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Late Xserves
Delays in PowerMacs
Delays in iMac G5s
Shortage of almost all Apple products.
Oh, and not forgetting the iPod Socks were late too!!
HoserHead
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How about from Steve Jobs himself, who said that Apple was going to open the iTunes Music Store in Canada during the month of November? If that was to be true, and there was no reason to believe it wasn't, it'd have to open today.StarbucksSam said:
If it ends up being yet another day without the iTunes Music Store, I'm not sure what I'll do. It'll certainly be worse if there's no acknowledgement of the missed deadline. I hate not being told what's going on, particularly when I've been promised something. It's just poor customer service.
MattG
macrumors 68040
Virginia TechStella said:
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What delays? I thought those were available almost immediately after announcement.
I think blaming Apple for this whole thing is unfair. I'm sure Apple has been "ready" to open this store for quite some time...it's all the red tape they have to deal with.
HoserHead
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Frankly (my dear), I don't give a damn. Apple is not some gift from God Almighty. We don't need to be forgiving towards them. They made a promise; if they hope to have an ongoing business, they need to keep it.MattG said:
So far we can't say whether they will or won't, but it's not looking hopeful.
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