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Canada iTMS November 30?

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Super Dave said:
lol

It's 4PM Pacific (8 where I am). There's no way they're opening today. We're all suckas!
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For all of us Nine-to-Fivers on the Left Coast, which probably includes Apple employees, that's still an hour of work left, which for me sitting here in the office refreshing this page, is an eternity...
 
the_mole1314 said:
Someone created a product, you took it without paying for it, you stole.

Any other terms is ignorance.
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Media is not a product, it cannot be stolen. If you think media is a product, than the RIAA and MPAA brain-washing machine has made another victim.

Any other explanation is ignorance.

I don't want to flame anyone, but you don't seem to get the actual *meaning* of "stealing". Nobody's arguing that it's bad, we're discussing the meaning of the word "stealing".

So, just in case, here it is again:

If you steal something from someone, that someone doesn't have it anymore. Since when does copying something removes it from someone else's possession?!
 
Yvan256 said:
Media is not a product, it cannot be stolen. If you think media is a product, than the RIAA and MPAA brain-washing machine has made another victim.

Any other explanation is ignorance.

I don't want to flame anyone, but you don't seem to get the actual *meaning* of "stealing". Nobody's arguing that it's bad, we're discussing the meaning of the word "stealing".

So, just in case, here it is again:

If you steal something from someone, that someone doesn't have it anymore. Since when does copying something removes it from someone else's possession?!
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I hate the RIAA as much as anyone else, but media isn't free, sorry. We pay for a newspaper, does that mean we can steal them? Just because the format is digital dosn't mean it's ok.

You have rights to copy and such, but if you go and download an album of bit torrent, it's illegal. I don't care, I downloaded Kill Bill Vol. 1 & 2 album from bit torrent last week, but it's still stealing.
 
I love it when people are morally offended by music theft; actually no, I hate it, but what the hay, I'm apathetic. Fight the power, stick it to the man, kill everyone over 30! HAHA! For the record, I would really love to debate the merits of legal downloading of music in a proper setting. The way people argue it is a bit too emotional: they way I look at it is just from the logical perspective that getting things for free is lovely and if the law provides it than that advantage should be taken by anyone. It is not a moral matter. Also, for the record, a recording artist will almost always make more money from playing live shows and touring than off of CD sales. The percentage of total sales that gets into the hands of the artist is completely dreadful. I just saw a concert for a local band, The Sadies the other weekend: the ticket cost me $20. I have some of their songs in my computers iTunes which I downloaded, for free, from a p2p service, without sending money to The Sadies, at no cost. I am going to hell.
 
enygma said:
Why won't any teens use it? Because they feel they are UBER 1337 because they can freely rip off any artist they feel wihtout legal reprocussion? It isn't a moral attitude. The music is created and provided to you at a price. If you don't agree with the price, don't listen to the music. .

They provide a product. You choose to use the product against the creators terms. Example, the artist makes a song for you to buy..
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but then howcome back in the day everyone copied music onto cassettes from the radio, distributed it to all their friends, and nobody ever comment. just because technology has made it easier doesn't mean that people should start bitching about it. if they didn't care then, then they shouldn't know. i download music from p2p, and couldn't careless. i want itms to come to canada but i am still going to use p2p. why? it is free, just as easy. i could get more then just music, plus i payed that retarded tax on my ipod.
 
agentkow said:
For all of us Nine-to-Fivers on the Left Coast, which probably includes Apple employees, that's still an hour of work left, which for me sitting here in the office refreshing this page, is an eternity...
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Tell me about it. Though I can't picture them flicking the "on switch" and then leaving, just assuming there'll be no server problems. But maybe they have people in over night. One thing I do know is I'm not going to be on here at 359 in the morning to see if they did it 1 minute before midnight BC.

David :cool:
 
the_mole1314 said:
I hate the RIAA as much as anyone else, but media isn't free, sorry. We pay for a newspaper, does that mean we can steal them? Just because the format is digital dosn't mean it's ok.

You have rights to copy and such, but if you go and download an album of bit torrent, it's illegal. I don't care, I downloaded Kill Bill Vol. 1 & 2 album from bit torrent last week, but it's still stealing.
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You really don't get it. I never said media should be free (though in some cases it is - the internet isn't all commercial, you know).

STEALING implies depraving someone from what you're stealing. Copying copyrighted works without permission is illegal and immoral, but it's not *stealing*.

What you did when you downloaded Kill Bill Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 from bit torrent was piracy, not stealing. If you take a candy bar from a store, do you say you're "pirating a candy bar"?!?

Here it is again, and I hope I won't have to repeat it:
- Unauthorized downloading of copyrighted work = piracy.
- Taking a CD from a music store without paying = stealing.

Both are illegal, but there is different word for each case.
 
Super Dave said:
Tell me about it. Though I can't picture them flicking the "on switch" and then leaving, just assuming there'll be no server problems. But maybe they have people in over night. One thing I do know is I'm not going to be on here at 3:59 in the morning to see if they did it 1 minute before midnight BC.

David :cool:
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Well, I bought World of Warcraft three days ago, so... I'll check for you. :D
 
aethier said:
but then howcome back in the day everyone copied music onto cassettes from the radio, distributed it to all their friends, and nobody ever comment. just because technology has made it easier doesn't mean that people should start bitching about it. if they didn't care then, then they shouldn't know. i download music from p2p, and couldn't careless. i want itms to come to canada but i am still going to use p2p. why? it is free, just as easy. i could get more then just music, plus i payed that retarded tax on my ipod.
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Dude, I'm not trying to be rude but by way of explanation, you're the reason that "retarded" tax exists. Good Lord, do you want the entertainment industry to go out of business so we'll have no music? Cause if everyone was like you, they would one day! A bunch of homeless musicians aren't going to keep making music for their homeless record label executives because you love the music you're bootlegging.

You don't want to pay them for their work by buying a CD, but then you also don't want them to be compensated for you not paying them for their work by paying a levy on an iPod. Do you care about these people?

David :cool:
 
aethier said:
but then howcome back in the day everyone copied music onto cassettes from the radio, distributed it to all their friends, and nobody ever comment.
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I'd argue it's because the quality probably wasn't close to that which you'd get on the original tape/CD, so there was still a (quality) reason to buy the album.

Only audiophiles care about the difference in quality between p2p-shared MP3/AAC/WMA tracks and those tracks on the real album now.
 
Trowaman said:
u can ship beavers now? :confused: wow . . . :rolleyes:
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Actually, no. Beaver attack by post is regulated in Canada under the shipment of dangerous goods.

It is a little know fact, however, that laying in wait in mailboxes is a beaver's favourite ambush move. So it tends to naturally happen anyway.

That's why most Canadian mailboxes are made out of wood -- the beaver tends to gnaw on it while waiting, and the alert person can be forewarned by looking for signs of damage.
 
Super Dave said:
Dude, I'm not trying to be rude but by way of explanation, you're the reason that "retarded" tax exists. Good Lord, do you want the entertainment industry to go out of business so we'll have no music? Cause if everyone was like you, they would one day! A bunch of homeless musicians aren't going to keep making music for their homeless record label executives because you love the music you're bootlegging.

You don't want to pay them for their work by buying a CD, but then you also don't want them to be compensated for you not paying them for their work by paying a levy on an iPod. Do you care about these people?

David :cool:
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I think what he's saying is that artists see so little from actual CD sales that it's not worth mentionning (would you really care if your boss paid you 0.01$ more per hour? "Thanks boss, a huge 1.60$CAN per month"), and he already paid a "we think you're all thieves so you're all paying wether you're pirates or not" tax on his iPod (and so did I, 25$CAN to be exact).

What he should consider, though, is that what he paid extra on his iPod is only equal to about two complete CDs, not 20GB of downloads.

That stupid tax should be removed and file sharing of commercial copyrighted works should be banned. After all, if you're paying for a crime you didn't commit, what's stopping you from commiting it? This tax only clears the conscience of Canadian pirates, and in the end it's no good for the whole system.

We won't even talk about the people who pirate media and don't even *know* about this tax...
 
asterizk said:
I'd argue it's because the quality probably wasn't close to that which you'd get on the original tape/CD, so there was still a (quality) reason to buy the album.

Only audiophiles care about the difference in quality between p2p-shared MP3/AAC/WMA tracks and those tracks on the real album now.
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There's also the fact that the scale of pirating is much bigger and the fact that it's easier than ever.

As for the quality, I guess you never heard a 128kbps MP3 encoded with Xing... ;-)
 
AmigoMac said:
Really, I live in Germany, and hadn't noticed it ... :eek: ;)

actually, it looks bad that they didn't translated the spanish store...

it should say España and austria : Österreich ... but hey, Steve promised an european store, and the Españoles have a lot of music I want to buy but can't ... :mad:
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That's what I'm saying. The spanish store is not in spanish: thus, "spain," not "espana". The german store is in german, thus "deutschland".
 
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