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Canada iTMS November 30?

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I heard that you can get into the Canadian iTMS early by clicking the "To Browse a music store, click here" button really fast for 1/2 hour!

Everybody get started!
 
Copying software isn't stealing then (see last paragraph)?

By copying software you are risking hard working software engineers, et al their jobs. Oh, and they work hard - with tough dead lines.

I'm not saying you do - but do you consider there is a difference between copying software and copying music?

Lazulia said:
Can we stop using the word stealing? You're not taking anything away from anyone. It's not criminal...and most use stealing just for effect.

I don't think they get a very big cut from CDs sales (3% or less). I suspect that record labels have alot to do with that, especially poor financial management. Can we be realistic here? This moral argument is getting old...
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Lazulia said:
Can we stop using the word stealing? You're not taking anything away from anyone. It's not criminal...and most use stealing just for effect.

I don't think they get a very big cut from CDs sales (3% or less). I suspect that record labels have alot to do with that, especially poor financial management. Can we be realistic here? This moral argument is getting old...
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In my opinion, whoever gets the money is irrelevant. Even if the artist would get 0%, you are still doing something illegal. Call it whatever you want, it's still breaking the law.

The record compagnies are perhaps "evil" from our point of view (and the artists'), but they are selling a product. The way to retaliate against pratice you find innapropriate is to not buy the product (and not use it)... not to illegally download it from the net.

If you think the labels make too much money and exploit the artists, then don't buy any music from them. Once they have no customers, they'll understand.

The same thing holds true with software and the real world. If the fruits are too expensive at the local grocery store, do you simply steal them ? Probably not... I'm guessing you either accept that fact or you decide not to buy this week.
 
Stella said:
Copying software isn't stealing then (see last paragraph)?

By copying software you are risking hard working software engineers, et al their jobs. Oh, and they work hard - with tough dead lines.

I'm not saying you do - but do you consider there is a difference between copying software and copying music?
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Nope, copying software isn't stealing. To steal software, you'd have to either:
- steal a boxed version in a brick-and-mortar store
- steal the actual code from the company and delete their version

Copying doesn't prevent the original author from keeping his own version.

No difference between illegal copying copyrighted works, no matter if it's software, digital music, digital movies, digital books, digital pictures, etc.

As I said in my previous post, the word "stealing" implies "taking something away from their owner". By copying you're not "stealing" anything.

I'm not saying you're not preventing people from getting paid for their work if you make illegal copies (because you are, and they do deserve compensation for their work), just saying the word "stealing" doesn't apply here.
 
You are risking people's jobs, particularly if you copy games - games industry being very expensive to develop games and extremely competitive.


But defining 'stealing' in this case is just semantics.

Yvan256 said:
Nope, copying software isn't stealing. To steal software, you'd have to either:
- steal a boxed version in a brick-and-mortar store
- steal the actual code from the company and delete their version

Copying doesn't prevent the original author from keeping his own version.

No difference between illegal copying copyrighted works, no matter if it's software, digital music, digital movies, digital books, digital pictures, etc.

As I said in my previous post, the word "stealing" implies "taking something away from their owner". By copying you're not "stealing" anything.

I'm not saying you're not preventing people from getting paid for their work if you make illegal copies (because you are, and they do deserve compensation for their work), just saying the word "stealing" doesn't apply here.
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Yvan256 said:
It's copyright theft, it's illegal copying, it's immoral. But it's not *theft*.
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Hmm. It's copyright theft. But it's not *theft*. Seems a little off.

It's chocolate milk. It's not milk.
 
For everyone who says that downloading music is wrong even though it's legal in Canada........well, there is actually compensation given out in Canada. Ever buy an iPod in Canada? Notice the levy that's added to the iPod price? That happens with everything that can play mp3s or digital music, including Mp3 players, Mp3 CD players, and even things like blank CDs. There's also a levy charged for every CD you buy in Canada that stems from the old "blank audio cassettes are increasing the rate of music theft" argument.

So basically, downloading music is legal in Canada because not only does compensation come from the sale of CDs, but the sale of mp3 players like the iPod. If the music industry had a choice, they would probably rather get compensated this way than through trying to prevent music piracy, as the levy charged is unavoidable, while preventing music piracy is like trying to dry a river of flowing water with a box of tissues. Also, the music industry is probably overcompensated for music piracy because of this, since they often assume that a large number of music downloads are lost sales when the albums themselves are simply bad and probably would not have garnered any interest unless the music was free and easy to download.
 
I think we can forget about iTunes in Canada today. There would be no point from a Marketing standpoint for Apple to launch late in the day. We should wait for an announcement tomorrow as to what is going on.
 
megabassjosh said:
I heard that you can get into the Canadian iTMS early by clicking the "To Browse a music store, click here" button really fast for 1/2 hour!

Everybody get started!
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Now that is funny! LOL
 
noxes said:
Man people are stupid, It's like that piece of cake or bread that looked like Jesus sold of $85000
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Everyone is stupid instead of eBay of course, and the profit they make from the sale.... 😉 😎
 
I don't know if this has been discussed before... but where do you think they will set the price point per song?

Personally I would love to see them hit CDN $0.99. Now before you Yankees start throwing full wine bottles at your computer screen, remember that buying music in Canada is reasonably cheaper than it is in the USA when it comes to retail (Amazon doesn't count).

Case in point: U2 - "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb"
Best Buy Canada - $13.99 CAD
Best Buy USA $14.99 USD

$13.99 CAD = $11.78 USD. That's over 3 dollars cheaper.

Given that detail, and also the currently stong CAD dollar, I don't think it would be unreasonable for songs to come in at $0.99.
 
come on, all I'm saying is that it's not stealing, like stealing a piece of fruit. It's not criminal; not criminal, not stealing. So makes no sense. The record label simply has to sue someone and prove that they are losing profits. So on the legal front there is no problem. Until some other judge might decide the opposite and compensate a certain record label.

Now on the moral front, that's another thing. You can moan on that allllll you want! 🙂 So use moral terms all you want!
 
Lazulia said:
come on, all I'm saying is that it's not stealing, like stealing a piece of fruit. It's not criminal; not criminal, not stealing. So makes no sense. The record label simply has to sue someone and prove that they are losing profits. So on the legal front there is no problem. Until some other judge might decide the opposite and compensate a certain record label.

Now on the moral front, that's another thing. You can moan on that allllll you want! 🙂 So use moral terms all you want!
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Someone created a product, you took it without paying for it, you stole.

Any other terms is ignorance.
 
Great, now that we've discussed the morality of "stealing", can we go back to complaining about the iTMS not being available ? 😀
 
dejo said:
Hmm. It's copyright theft. But it's not *theft*. Seems a little off.

It's chocolate milk. It's not milk.
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Oups, I shouldn't have written "copyright theft", which is what we're arguing about here. My mistake.

Saying "copyright theft" would be something like an artist taking the lyrics of a song and trying to pass it as their own, or someone taking credit for something he hasn't written/composed/filmed/etc.

Theft/stealing requires the original owner to be deprived of what you are stealing. When you copy a digital *anything*, the owner/author doesn't have his original version dissapear into thin air or a store begins missing CDs. In fact nobody loses anything except perhaps potential profits.

We just need a new word, because "stealing" cannot apply to something that can be copied indefinitely (and from any of the copy, to make the matter more critical).
 
Too late

lol

It's 4PM Pacific (8 where I am). There's no way they're opening today. We're all suckas!

Meet you at the next MacRumors story on this.

David 😎
 
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