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doberman211

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Apr 10, 2010
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then go get an air. this is for the pro lineup.

And OMG i love the quick photoshop there. yeah. i would totally get that. that would be awesome.
 

calaverasgrande

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Oct 18, 2010
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some of you kids may not be old enough to recall, but pretty much all of the arguments against ditching the optical are the same as when Apple killed the floppy.
Couple years later nobody cared. I still find the bondi blue floppy-to-usb rigs at every company I work for though. They come in handy when installing Windows server on a raid array.
With the app store coming to OS X and their reticence to go bluray it is starting to look more like a foregone conclusion.
Honestly, I pretty much only use my optical when I am installing applications (or rolling a new VM). So yeah, it's when I am at work or in my home office. I watch movies on netflix, TV on hulu and most of my applications are offered in downloadable form these days. It really is a good point that you are carrying that optical around 100% of the time for the 5% of the time you use it. As far as games that require the physical media to be present to be played, I am sure if Apple went sans optical there would be significant pressure for ubisoft, eidos, blizzard etc to put out patches that allowed you to install and play. Might want to invest in macrovision stock...
 

gonnabuyamacbsh

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some of you kids may not be old enough to recall, but pretty much all of the arguments against ditching the optical are the same as when Apple killed the floppy.
Couple years later nobody cared. I still find the bondi blue floppy-to-usb rigs at every company I work for though. They come in handy when installing Windows server on a raid array.
With the app store coming to OS X and their reticence to go bluray it is starting to look more like a foregone conclusion.
Honestly, I pretty much only use my optical when I am installing applications (or rolling a new VM). So yeah, it's when I am at work or in my home office. I watch movies on netflix, TV on hulu and most of my applications are offered in downloadable form these days. It really is a good point that you are carrying that optical around 100% of the time for the 5% of the time you use it. As far as games that require the physical media to be present to be played, I am sure if Apple went sans optical there would be significant pressure for ubisoft, eidos, blizzard etc to put out patches that allowed you to install and play. Might want to invest in macrovision stock...

I think apple may do this the same time around. Good bye optical drive, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
 

Santabean2000

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How about people that play games? I know the Sims 3 and Civilizations both require the CD. Am I supposed to lug around an external drive if I want to take it somewhere?

Do you need to have power plugged in when your playing, (I'm sure you do as it eats the battery; Civ is not exactly a quick game now is it), so I'm picking you have to at least carry your power adapter already, no?

But then you prob only really play at home on your desk, where the power adapter always sits, and where an external ODD could happily reside too...
 

JoeG4

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Jan 11, 2002
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This is what I would like to see.

A thinner bezel and a smoothed off palm rest edge?! I LOVE IT!
 

Messy

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Sep 5, 2010
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Reading another thread there seemed to be a lot of people commenting on how a black MBP would be good, well, I agree!

Heres my mockup, complete of course with OS X Lion ;)

Modelled in Cinema 4D. :)

If you use this images i'd appreciate it if you could credit me.

Features:

Black Anodized Aluminum alloy solid machined frame.
The metal is actually a Titanium/Aluminum alloy. Reducing weight for the 15" to 1.97kg.
Bezel size reduced (but not too much, realistically the tech isn't there yet).
Thinner screen (reduced by 1.6mm).
Thinner body (reduced by 3mm).

As for the system specs, well i'll leave that to you guys to discuss. SSD as standard, 8gb RAM with up to 16gb sounds nice too.

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bensnowden

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Dec 2, 2010
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Do like this latest mock-up. Would love to have the slight rolled edge incorporated though. For me as a lazy typer who rests his wrists on the edge, the MBP is a killer for any length of time. Would love the optical drive to R.I.P.
 

absynth

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Nov 8, 2009
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people asking for a thinner lighter, optical-less MBP are really asking for a 15" MBA :rolleyes:

There's only so much processing power you can put into a thin enclosure. They could probably put in a faster chip than the MBA13, make it perhaps slightly thicker, but thinness always comes at a cost.
I personally cannot see a market for a 15" MBA. It's too big to be ultraportable, so why not go for the 15" MBP that comes with optical drive as a free bonus.

I dont see the optical drive being removed from the MBP anytime soon TBH. Remember what the PRO stands for. I dont think there are many professionals contributing to this thread.
 
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Santabean2000

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people asking for a thinner lighter, optical-less MBP are really asking for a 15" MBA :rolleyes:

There's only so much processing power you can put into a thin enclosure. They could probably put in a faster chip than the MBA13, make it perhaps slightly thicker, but thinness always comes at a cost. I dont see the optical drive being removed from the MBP anytime soon TBH. Remember what the PRO stands for. I dont think there are many professionals contributing to this thread.

I personally cannot see a market for a 15" MBA. It's too big to be ultraportable, so why not go for the 15" MBP that comes with optical drive as a free bonus.

Man, you're another who just doesn't get it.

We don't want a 15" MBA. We don't want a super-thin notebook. We just want the ODD removed - to be replaced with other features like a 2nd HDD/SSD, extra RAM and/or more battery, you know, thing's we'd actually use often.

How is it that people are equating Pro with an (internal) optical drive?! It's just bizarre...
 

Richard1028

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Jan 8, 2009
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I dont see the optical drive being removed from the MBP anytime soon TBH. Remember what the PRO stands for.

Ok, I'll bite. Exactly what is a PRO user when it comes to macs?

I dont think there are many professionals contributing to this thread.

"Professional" what? Doctors? Lawyers? Golfers?

Again, you people have some misguided expectation from Apple based on old and overused marketing hyperbole. And to claim that the ODD is needed by people who somehow fall into this mystical and elite category of users. And implying that a pro (whatever that is) depend ons slow, antiquated and small capacity optical media is laughable.

We all know the SuperDrive is going to get the boot at some time. (Just like USB, dedicated ethernet and FireWire will die soon enough).

For god's sake people. It's 2011.
 

doberman211

macrumors regular
Apr 10, 2010
148
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Canada
ugh... he means actual professional graphic designers or even people who have a really active youtube channel. people who edit movies and upload movies and actually DO stuff with their mac. not silly children screwing around on their machine for the fun of it because their parents bought it for the rich little... well you get the point.

The floppy is 40 years old!!! i hate it with you people saying stupid comments like "oh yeah why dont you add in a floppy drive too?" your sarcasm is not wanted. And floppy disks hold 14.4 MB of storage on average. find me a 3TB memory stick and maybe i'll consider it. OD technology won't be gone for a while. bluray disks go up to 50GB each for the dual layered ones. i would be amazed with a bluray option in a mac, but that is just wishful thinking as is all of this talk about getting rid of the ODD. just because apple put their entire OS on a damn memory stick doesn't mean everyone else will. you seem to be living in an imaginary world in which you only use apple products. i don't see any ROXIO software on a USB stick, or NORTON, or games, or any other company besides apple you can think of, i bootcamp my mac half the time as do a lot of people i know with macs. you seem to think all ODs will "disappear" in the next year. maybe 4 or 5 years from now but no time soon.

As for batteries, google something called a superconductor. batteries themselves are already on their way out BTW. so give it up with the 100 hour battery wish you all have. and i believe 500GB is enough storage for anyone so why in hell would you want two of them? on a laptop!
 

Hellhammer

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Dec 10, 2008
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find me a 3TB memory stick and maybe i'll consider it.

Find me a DVD with 3TB first. Flash drives are available in bigger capacities than DVDs.

bluray disks go up to 50GB each for the dual layered ones.

It doesn't matter what Blu-Rays do because Macs have DVD drives. That's up to what? 8.5GB? If Apple added BR, then dumping the ODD would be a lot bigger deal because it might actually be useful but DVDs are starting to be obsolete. 8GB thumb drive costs like 10 bucks nowadays.

i don't see any ROXIO software on a USB stick, or NORTON, or games, or any other company besides apple you can think of

But most, if not all software can be downloaded from the Internet nowadays, legally. Besides, do you install software from DVD everyday? An external ODD would be more than fine for installing software since you only do it once. No need to waste 1/4 of the innards with ODD when you only use it for couple of times to install few apps.

I'm not saying it will be dumbed, yet. But it should be, at least from the 13".
 

raysfan81

macrumors 6502a
Oct 6, 2009
598
2
more USB??

That's not enough. ROFL :D

But as a BTO option you should be able to remove the optical drive and replace it with something else that you would rather have. I would be fine with buying an external dvd/ blu-ray or whatever reader/ burner if Apple would add another Firewire 800 port or upgrade to USB 3.0.
 

raysfan81

macrumors 6502a
Oct 6, 2009
598
2
Hmm let me think...
-Add a 3.5 floppy drive so I can copy over all those old files from years ago that I SO need (I'm sure every macrumors member down to the ones that didn't respond to the confirm email will totally agree
-Take out the touch pad to fit 20 more USB ports. I mean guise really? who uses the touch pad these days? and 20 extra USB ports is SO helpful! And if you really want one you can get the apple one seperate that uses USB like the apple magic mouse or something I'm sure EVERYONE has a use for 20 USB ports! That way I can plug in all my old useless PC accessories at the same time because thats completely necessary with! Agreed? Yeah I thought so!
-Take out the superdrive and add a 16.957 terabyte harddrive because EVERYONE needs some ridiculous amount of space for there massive porn collection? I mean why worry about 4G modems for streaming porntube when you can just have a server of it on your portable computer! Agreed? Of course you do!
-Touch screen! I mean really this won't effect iPad sales at all just because I said so! Right? Of course!



LMAO. I think its hillarious that a lot of the people need 10 tb of hard drive space when they wont even fill up 1tb of space and they need 10 usb ports when they may use 1 or 2 at a time. More isn't always better but if the MBP was made much thinner it would have to be underpowered which is defeating the purpose.
 

nateo200

macrumors 68030
Feb 4, 2009
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LMAO. I think its hillarious that a lot of the people need 10 tb of hard drive space when they wont even fill up 1tb of space and they need 10 usb ports when they may use 1 or 2 at a time. More isn't always better but if the MBP was made much thinner it would have to be underpowered which is defeating the purpose.

Lol I try, I was going to put down more but I figured I wouldn't spend too much sarcasm for the day. Disclaimer for those with little to no sense: that was full of dripping sarcasm and mocking everyone who wants there MacBook to literally be God in there lap. I don't see the obsession with USB ports though...like I like a good USB port like anyone like you know plug your flash drive in, plug your printer in whatever but I mean I don't think I've had to use 2 USB ports or more AT THE SAME TIME unless I was trying to drain my battery, create some jack bauer CTU/CIA wannabe work station or do some obscure work for a family/friend. Anyway's I have a bin of cords in my basement full of those USB hubs so if I need to plug in a printer (guys really? we have wireless these days) a mouse because I'm so old school I don't believe in trackpads (like my whole family), or some ancient hardware that's not needed but looks "Cool". Anyways I think the whole wifi and bluetooth thing as well as the reduction of serial ports and wireless computer accessories might be trying to tell us something, let me decipher that..../sarcasm
 

Richard1028

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Jan 8, 2009
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ugh... he means actual professional graphic designers or even people who have a really active youtube channel. people who edit movies and upload movies and actually DO stuff with their mac.

Yeah right, "professional" Youtubers. LOL! (That need DVD's on top if it).

I edited and distributed video on disk media for 7 years to earn a living (A closer definition of a pro). Never once did I use some cheap-assed $30 internal burner on any computer. They're just too unreliable when you only have one shot.
 

goobot

macrumors 604
Jun 26, 2009
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blackmac.jpg

This is what I would like to see.
kill the SD card port. I have dozens of uses for SD but I dont like how the Sd card sticks out of the side of the mac. I also would prefer a 3rd usb (or firewire) on the 15" MBP.
The screen should go right up to the bezel. Nuff said.
Black anodized aluminum. I think it will look cool when the black starts to scratch and wear. Like a well used M16.
Front edge is rolled. The sharp front edge bugs me when I am doing heavy coding.
I also photoshopped in a sandy bridge CPU and hybrid storage, Oh yeah, and it supports up to 16 gigs of ram.

Reminds me of an iPhone 4. I like
 

aCondor

macrumors 6502
Oct 20, 2010
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ugh... he means actual professional graphic designers or even people who have a really active youtube channel. people who edit movies and upload movies and actually DO stuff with their mac.

I edit movies and upload movies. All the time. And I never use the DVD drive.

I find it interesting that you believe that Apple creates Macbook Pro line exclusively for "actual professional graphic designers." That is quite a small group of people. You, sir, are no Steve Jobs.
 

Erasmus

macrumors 68030
Jun 22, 2006
2,756
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Australia
As for batteries, google something called a superconductor. batteries themselves are already on their way out BTW.

I'm wondering if you actually know what a superconductor is. Your comment suggests that you don't, as they have no bearing towards making batteries redundant.

ugh... he means actual professional graphic designers or even people who have a really active youtube channel. people who edit movies and upload movies and actually DO stuff with their mac. not silly children screwing around on their machine for the fun of it because their parents bought it for the rich little... well you get the point.

You do realise that just because you might have an Arts "Degree" doesn't make you a professional?

I can think of dozens of professions (with real degrees) that do not require optical disk drives being used more than once or twice a year, starting with pretty much anyone in Science or Engineering.

The only people I can think of who would greatly benefit from an internal ODD over an external are people who... actually, I can't think of anyone.

Bluray disks go up to 50GB each for the dual layered ones. i would be amazed with a bluray option in a mac, but that is just wishful thinking as is all of this talk about getting rid of the ODD.

Steve Jobs has already said quite plainly that Blu-Ray on Macs is not going to happen. I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. So if you want Blu-Ray burner, looks like you'll need an external disk drive after all.
 

doberman211

macrumors regular
Apr 10, 2010
148
7
Canada
number one, the term PRO had absolutely nothing to do with DVDs and DVDs were not even a subject in that point.

and i was talking about ODD technology as a whole. not just DVDs. and the cheapest 8 gig stick is 70$ at bestbuy not 10. they're not that outdated as a standard DVD movie is a mere 700MB and you can store many one one 8gig DVD.

as for superconductors, **** it i was reading somewhere that it had potential to enhance battery power a lot but i can't seem to find the article again.

i like having a physical copy of my purchases. so when something unexplainable happens and i lose all my stuff then i can still reboot it and not lose the program or something. i don't really know, its just a mental thing that i would rather have a physical copy that i can hold.

either way this thread was intended for talking about mock-ups so stop picking every little flaw in my comments away at me and start doing some "professional" photoshopping instead of arguing and upload some pics.
 

Hellhammer

Moderator emeritus
Dec 10, 2008
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Finland
and the cheapest 8 gig stick is 70$ at bestbuy not 10.

BestBuy must have nice profits then

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211424

they're not that outdated as a standard DVD movie is a mere 700MB and you can store many one one 8gig DVD.

That's when you encode it. Rip a normal DVD and the file is more like 4.5GB.

so when something unexplainable happens and i lose all my stuff then i can still reboot it and not lose the program or something. i don't really know, its just a mental thing that i would rather have a physical copy that i can hold.

You should still have a backup.
 

Erasmus

macrumors 68030
Jun 22, 2006
2,756
298
Australia
as for superconductors, **** it i was reading somewhere that it had potential to enhance battery power a lot but i can't seem to find the article again.

Superconductors may increase battery capacity, but you said batteries are "on their way out". Which is wrong. And the only way notebook batteries are going to benefit from superconducting technologies is if people are comfortable having something at a temperature of -200 degrees sitting on their crotch. I realise I may be the only one here, but I don't want my bits frozen.

and the cheapest 8 gig stick is 70$ at bestbuy not 10. they're not that outdated as a standard DVD movie is a mere 700MB and you can store many one one 8gig DVD.

And a 1TB external USB disk drive is about $100. Which works out better than $1 per 8GB DVD rip.

either way this thread was intended for talking about mock-ups so stop picking every little flaw in my comments away at me and start doing some "professional" photoshopping instead of arguing and upload some pics.

I'm sorry, I must have missed yours. Anyway, I was simply holding you accountable for some of the stupid things you say.
 
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