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[WW] - The Game of Thrones - GAME OVER - LOYALS WIN
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I love the double bluff psychology of this. Silent Panda tries to divert attention from himself by posting something completely random (probably using his Random Number Generator again).
Then jimN comes along and thinks "I could cover my traitorous tracks by replying to this post which makes me look like a court jester and completely innocent".
Interesting tactics from both players.
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I did the same thing last game. How does the RNG fall into it?
I don't even comprehend what this means.
I must say, you fools got me. Doesn't matter and it is completely irrelevant since I left a nice set of instructions to follow. Yes, for those wondering, yes, it is I that from the grave left specific instructions on how to proceed. Feel my wrath!!
Of course, my ex-traitors are free to follow their own plan and agenda, but I did ensure they were left with a rather, generous path. Unless I am Edo Tensei'd back to life, this is my last....
Draco! Let them know what hell fire is all about!!!!
Of course, my ex-traitors are free to follow their own plan and agenda, but I did ensure they were left with a rather, generous path. Unless I am Edo Tensei'd back to life, this is my last....
Draco! Let them know what hell fire is all about!!!!
Ahhh, but if what I told is lies or not? I am known to be quite, deceitful (and vindictive), else ask my dearest Consigleri and those who foolishly entered my mansion and went upstairs. Can you be sure of what I said? I could easily just be throwing in as a bad guy as punishment for killing the Ms. of Whispers
Edit - I am deceitful in this games only. In other forum things, I can be quite honest. So no. Don't think otherwise.
It doesn't imply anything about me. There is only was only 1 good traitor on day 1, the rest were bad. Due to the tone of jav6454's message it seems fairly clear to me he was not the good person who would show up as a traitor. There's no proof, but odds are he was a bad traitor based on his death statement IMO.
To be honest, I think it would be against the spirit of the game (unless you were actually bad and pretended to be the good one on death). There's no reason for the good traitor to be deceitful in his death message. Plus you're dead so we probably shouldn't further this conversation between you and I.
In a game with a bad guy that can show as good (sneak) and a good guy that shows bad (seer/MoW) that has a resurrection possibility (doctor/maester), it's best not to post anything after death that directly addresses the game other than "shucks, I died."
I'll throw this as a veteran player:
Ravenvii, the Great Kaoshin, Inventor, Creator, Kami, or whatever he chooses to call himself.
He explicitly stated once, you can play any role as you see fit. For instance, a werewolf can be played as a rogue wolf, dropping in hints to be found. It's never been done in a great manner, but it can be done.
Game characters are expected to take some sort of life during these games. So playing anyway you see fit goes with the spirit of the game. And in these games, my spirit turns mostly into whatever I feel at the time. So if for this game I felt deceitful, I am entitled to play my part that way.
Of course there was a long discussion about this once in a General WW thread. Anyways, I've gone over two posts from my last to address that post. So this is truly my last.
Yes, you may play any role in whatever way you see fit, but your death posts should never give indication as to what side you are when there's doubt in the game thread. It's understandable to do so when your role is clearly identified at death with no possibility of ambiguity, but that's not the case for this game.
Speaking of roles: can you please clarify whether the Faceless Man gets to know the target of The Bought Man or not? I assume yes, because he, The Bought Man, is listed under Loyals.
If understand the rules correctly, the Faceless Man only gets to know "x,y,z were target of Loyal actions/scans", the target of The Bought Man being included. Correct?
You're more than welcome to play any role as you see fit. Just like I played a good citizen last game (and will for pretty much every game because what would be the point of playing a bad guy publicly?). But I also didn't play with the intent to lose. If I did I would have just posted "I'M SIX EVERYBODY KILL ME!" There's a difference between roleplaying a character and playing the game to lose. I don't believe you are playing the game to lose. Therefore you were one of the bad guys based on your death post. Indeed it would be even weirder if you were the good traitor and made a death post in the tone of a bad traitor and then tried to absolve yourself towards being a good traitor. There would be even less of a point.
Aside from your post I have no proof you are a bad traitor or a good traitor. But my logic dictates you're a bad traitor and you're dead so you're not changing my mind. Unless another alive player sees a flaw in the logic, I'm sticking to it. In my book you're The Bought Man or one of the other natively bad traitors. Most likely The Dirk, The Sneak, or the Lord in Waiting since you implied you had communication with them.
The Bought Man is a loyal, but the intent of his scans is traitorous, so they are not revealed.
From a logistics standpoint, I'd essentially be handing that player the name of the dirk the night he is targeted and activated, allowing him to be lynched the next day. I could choose to withhold the scan results from that night, but I decided to not give that info at all.
Hmm. I can't see it in the OP but since it's based on last games system, he couldn't be the Bought Man. (Baltar was human if I remember correctly). I'm going to bed so will check that tomorrow, but that's how I'd interpret the rules right now. Could be wrong though.
Thanks chrmjenkins.
Conversely it could be interesting to give that scan.
The Bought Man is scanning, as is the Dirk.
First, the Faceless Man would only know of the people that loyal people targetted. So let's say that along with The Bought Mans scan, there were 5 total scans that night. If after night your posting said "The Traitor has converted." then the Faceless Man would have a 1 in 5 list of knowing who the Dirk is. If this was later in the game and for instance the Seer had died already, it would be a 1 in 4 list. As the pool narrows, the odds are greater the Faceless Man knows. Or at least thinks he knows...
Because at any point The Dirk could also find the Bought man. Then the Faceless Man would have their 1 in 5 list, but the Dirk would not need be on it at all.
I'm not arguing for or against, and indeed if that's how it's been played already, it should continue to be played. But it could be interesting the other way also.
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Absolutely. I *highly* doubt he's the Bought Man based on the narrative. But he may have considered himself already a traitor despite not truly being one. I think there are equal odds he was The Dirk, The Sneak, or the Lord in Waiting, possible odds he was The Red Man, slim odds he was the Bought Man who had internally accepted his potential fate, and almost no odds he was The Master of Whispers.
What do you mean with "based on the narrative" exactly? It said Traitor, if we play this according to last game's system it should say Loyal if we lynched the Bought Man. But chrmjenkins didn't really wrote this down into the OP (ravenvii did with his) but I can't remember him stating that he changed that mechanism as he did with other alterations.
Sorry I meant based on jav's attempt at a death narrative. But you're correct. He's definitely not the Bought Man either. PS Go to bed. Just make sure to protect yourself overnight with blankets in case the traitors sneak in!
Since this is not how it's implemented, think of these logistics:
If the MoW scans the dirk, they'll likely announce it.
If the Bravosi protects the dirk, he's dead.
If the undertaker scans the dirk, you'll likely already know they're dead, and since they're dead, the bought man won't be finding them.
So, if the bought man is the one to find the dirk, you can just choose from the names that appear for the first time from that list. The further you get in the game, the more likely the list is very small and it's easy to figure out. The only thing that balances it is that the dirk could have been the one to find TBM, which would potentially implicate an innocent. An interesting dynamic, but what I wanted to err on the side of making TFM rather weak since it was the first time I was trying the role.
You can never use the narrative to determine anything other than loyal or traitor as outlined in the OP, provided the handmaidens/NW still live.
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Je suis d'accord avec Sythas. Je pense que Scepticalscribe ne regarde pas bon.
Mais je ne suis pas d'accord avec les raisons de Sythas.
Et tu es a cote, Sythas, parce tu dit que tu es de France, mais tu es le Quebecois. Menteur.
Mais je ne suis pas d'accord avec les raisons de Sythas.
Et tu es a cote, Sythas, parce tu dit que tu es de France, mais tu es le Quebecois. Menteur.