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[WW] - The Game of Thrones - GAME OVER - LOYALS WIN
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While nabbing jav was lucky, the baddies are still playing, and information can be garnered from that first vote now thanks to that luck.
Yes, it is a judgement call; some are more reticent by nature - such as your good self - while others may seek a day or more extra in the hope of aiding their side. In truth, if a special is outed early, protection then becomes an issue, as it cannot be sustained, or must be guessed at, leaving it a race between one side obtaining as much as possible from the aforementioned special, while the other hasten to assassinate said unfortunate as soon as is possible. Certainly, being outed generally leads to an early demise.
Yes, this act of artful, nay, spectacular misdirection, I well recall.
Well, while that can be said, deadlines and bandwagons can gather pace with astonishing speed, and can catch one unawares. This has happened to me.
I am confused - How do I tell who is truthful or notweep
I'm truthful! (What's going on?)
The only thing we know for sure is that whatever traitor jav was (assuming for the moment he wasn't our Master of Whispers) he knew who at least two and possibly all three of the other traitors were - since the red man knows who all the traitors are. So we should consider that tomorrow.
The other traitors may or may not (if he was red man) have known Jav was a traitor.
At this point it would be very useful to know which traitor he was.
I am confused - How do I tell who is truthful or not
You watch, wait, (wait for evidence), read, think, guess (often incorrectly), accuse (often wrongly), and gradually, a pattern of sorts slowly begins to emerge, with a drip feed of evidence, facts, conjectures, after which the guessing becomes somewhat less inaccurate and the accusations a little less wild.
Then, it becomes a - sometimes frenzied - race to the finish as each side attempts to deal with the other - in other words, identify and kill - before they, themselves, get despatched to the realm of the celestial abode wherein divinities, real, imagined, or desired, are said to dwell.
Dayla was happy to see daylight and be amongst the house guards, even if she could feel the uncomfortable atmosphere in the room. Everyone had once again crammed into the main chamber, murmuring in various states of wake.
The lord she had been assigned to had been foul with her. He had shoved her around, barked orders at her and talker to her as if she were an animal. She was thankful, at least, that he didn't ask her to share his bed.
She turned her toward the main doors as she heard the clunking of the barrier being removed from the other side. Lysa emerged, alone, and proceeded wordlessly to the dais as the she had the day before.
"I'm pleased to announce that the test has begun, and everything is going as we have anticipated," Lysa announced, staring blankly into space.
Lysa looked to the doors and made a motion with her hands. Two guards came through side by side. Dayla could hear a scraping sound, but couldn't see through the throng of people that parted to let them through.
The guards came into full view as they made it to the middle of the chamber. They dropped the man they had been dragging, and his shoulders made a dull thunk on the stone floor.
Don't Panic lay dead, killed by traitors.
"Breakfast will be served shortly," Lysa curtly blurted, leaving the room in a mix of fear and confusion.
It is now Day 2.
The lord she had been assigned to had been foul with her. He had shoved her around, barked orders at her and talker to her as if she were an animal. She was thankful, at least, that he didn't ask her to share his bed.
She turned her toward the main doors as she heard the clunking of the barrier being removed from the other side. Lysa emerged, alone, and proceeded wordlessly to the dais as the she had the day before.
"I'm pleased to announce that the test has begun, and everything is going as we have anticipated," Lysa announced, staring blankly into space.
Lysa looked to the doors and made a motion with her hands. Two guards came through side by side. Dayla could hear a scraping sound, but couldn't see through the throng of people that parted to let them through.
The guards came into full view as they made it to the middle of the chamber. They dropped the man they had been dragging, and his shoulders made a dull thunk on the stone floor.
Don't Panic lay dead, killed by traitors.
"Breakfast will be served shortly," Lysa curtly blurted, leaving the room in a mix of fear and confusion.
It is now Day 2.
Agreed with most of what you said. but how could the others possibly know the RedMan? That doesn't work.
At this point I'd like to try one of us 'pilers', not me obviously, or one of those with a throwaway vote i.e. scepticalscribe tomorrow.
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Sorry, DP!
You mean Traitors!
So the traitors ruthlessly murdered poor Lord Panic. So we now know jav didn't vote for a traitor as a way of misdirection on day 1, an avenue of thought I was considering.
So our possibilities are:
Jav was Master of Whispers or Red Man. The other traitors didn't know who he was so we really can't read anything into the accusations made.
Jav was Dirk, Sneak or Lord in Waiting. In which case they did know who he was and they put the knife in anyway as a way of hiding themselves or they avoided accusing him to try to save him.
In the second case its likely that early accusations were made by non traitors and since they just killed Don't Panic this could be a fair assumption. It would also make those early accusers likely targets for the traitors tomorrow night.
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So our possibilities are:
Jav was Master of Whispers or Red Man. The other traitors didn't know who he was so we really can't read anything into the accusations made.
Jav was Dirk, Sneak or Lord in Waiting. In which case they did know who he was and they put the knife in anyway as a way of hiding themselves or they avoided accusing him to try to save him.
In the second case its likely that early accusations were made by non traitors and since they just killed Don't Panic this could be a fair assumption. It would also make those early accusers likely targets for the traitors tomorrow night.
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Badly written by me - meant that they knew he was a traitor unless he was the Red Man.
Agreed with most of what you said. but how could the others possibly know the RedMan? That doesn't work.
At this point I'd like to try one of us 'pilers', not me obviously, or one of those with a throwaway vote i.e. scepticalscribe tomorrow.
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Sorry, DP!
You mean Traitors!
need to look at who piled on to jav, as he was close to majority lock and cetain death...in order to look innocent?
That is dreadful news; Don't Panic is a huge loss. Damn.
Indeed, he is a major loss when he is on the side of good, and a very accomplished foe when his life leads him in other directions. His experience and analytical skills are formidable, which makes him an all too ready - and, indeed, an obvious if not almost inevitable - target when he is a loyal.
Indeed, he is a major loss when he is on the side of good, and a very accomplished foe when his life leads him in other directions. His experience and analytical skills are formidable, which makes him an all too ready - and, indeed, an obvious if not almost inevitable - target when he is a loyal.
My lords and ladies, there are 19 still left alive so a majority of 10 is required to hang a traitor.
For those that may find it useful, here is a list of the accusations for the late Jav Targaryen
Post 172 Don't panic accused jav
Post 186 jav6454 accused Don't Panic
Post 190 FenrisMoonlight accused Jav
Post 199 Roric accused Jav
Post 216 Queen of Spades accused jav6454
Post 217 SilentPanda accused Jav6454 replacing previous accusation in post 167 for ucfgrad93
Post 218 ravenvii accused jav6454
Post 229 twietee accused Jav replacing previous accusation in post 166 for ucfgrad93
Post 234 costabunny accused jav6454 replacing previous accusation in post 198 for ucfgrad93
Post 244 Plutonius accused Jav replacing previous accusation in post 168 for ucfgrad93
For those that may find it useful, here is a list of the accusations for the late Jav Targaryen
Post 172 Don't panic accused jav
Post 186 jav6454 accused Don't Panic
Post 190 FenrisMoonlight accused Jav
Post 199 Roric accused Jav
Post 216 Queen of Spades accused jav6454
Post 217 SilentPanda accused Jav6454 replacing previous accusation in post 167 for ucfgrad93
Post 218 ravenvii accused jav6454
Post 229 twietee accused Jav replacing previous accusation in post 166 for ucfgrad93
Post 234 costabunny accused jav6454 replacing previous accusation in post 198 for ucfgrad93
Post 244 Plutonius accused Jav replacing previous accusation in post 168 for ucfgrad93
There is a pestilence upon this land, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.
For the record, I don't really see those who piled on Jav much more suspicious than those with throwaway votes - and I don't say that because it includes me. It is not that an elaborated and sublime tactic that we who had cast our votes already (twietee, costabunny, Plutonius (also SilentPanda but he's less suspicious since he 'piled' first); all voted for ufcgrad93) were to switch to a fellow baddie. It just doesn't look good. Costabunny jumped on both, ufc and jav so that highlights her in my opinion, but I have no clue how experienced she is with these games. I advocated voting for Jav (instead of DP, who is sadly cleared now) looong before he even tied Ucfgrad; see:
I'd actually like to follow Sythas with his vote for scepticalscribe, but that's just a hunch, and you all know mine are especially bad.
So we probably should look at those who voted for Jav since that's eventually the most rational approach .
hear, hear.
But it's true, isn't it?
That means I'd switch to Jav rather than to you. But he gives too numerous reasons to vote for him to take him serious. But if I would switch, that's what I'd do right now. But I won't, because it would look bad on my spreadsheet.
I'd actually like to follow Sythas with his vote for scepticalscribe, but that's just a hunch, and you all know mine are especially bad.
So we probably should look at those who voted for Jav since that's eventually the most rational approach .
We also need to look at who voted late (made a meaningless vote at that time).
WoodNUFC
Comeagain?
Sythas
Sir Twietee, I have made my choice so I'm on record. I will of course change my vote to whomever you say is guilty.
Vey fast out of the blocks, my old sinuous friend. Too, too fast, by far. I cannot say I have not been expecting it, given your glee yesterday.
For now, as was the case yesterday, I'll return the compliment. So, Sythas. Bandwagons can build up far too rapidly, here, without rhyme or reason. Let's inject a little thought first.
Re Traitors, the killing of DP on night one speaks to me of the input of an old experienced hand directing operations on the traitor side.
Certainly, when I have been on that side of the great divide, I would seek to remove DP as soon as possible and have done so; once, I recall seeing to it that he was killed twice. As a Hunter, I have protected him. As a resurrector, I have revived him, and indeed, as a Seer I had scanned him. So, an experienced, wily and - I suspect - rather taciturn individual is directing operations on that side.
I sincerely hope that DP was not a special; when he has been a special, he is formidable, but his talents also mean that he is often a target too early.
On the 'loyal' side, (and, naturally, possibly elsewhere, too) we have a few new faces, and it can take a while to firstly get to know an individual's playing style. Moreover, it can also take a while for a newcomer to learn what they themselves need to know to understand how others process information and respond, and react to it.
I understand that people have very busy, compelling, distracting and exhausting personal lives (mine is such just now) but I also query some of those who have been strangely muted so far.
But twietee just said ScepticalScribe (although he did not lock in) and yet you vote for ComeAgain? instead?
Sorry DP! We'll avenge you, brother.
It's simple, put yourselves in the traitors' shoes. Your comrade is starting to attract votes. What do you do? Try and stave off the building bandwagon by joining another? Or do think, it's too late, and jump aboard to separate yourself early and deflect suspicion elsewhere?
No votes are useless. Especially not ones that off a traitor.
I don't see how much would be gained either. That said, RIP Don't Panic.
It's simple, put yourselves in the traitors' shoes. Your comrade is starting to attract votes. What do you do? Try and stave off the building bandwagon by joining another? Or do think, it's too late, and jump aboard to separate yourself early and deflect suspicion elsewhere?
No votes are useless. Especially not ones that off a traitor.
For the record, I don't really see those who piled on Jav much more suspicious than those with throwaway votes - and I don't say that because it includes me........
I'd actually like to follow Sythas with his vote for scepticalscribe, but that's just a hunch, and you all know mine are especially bad.
So we probably should look at those who voted for Jav since that's eventually the most rational approach .
An 'especially bad' - what was the word 'hunch'? With this conclusion in recent times, I cannot disagree.
costabunny
i dont know how experienced you are at this game, but seems jumping on the ucfgrad and jav bandwagon looks suspicious.
i dont know how experienced you are at this game, but seems jumping on the ucfgrad and jav bandwagon looks suspicious.
I'd add scepticalscribe to this list. She questioned our Javtrain who was at full speed and threw her vote away going after Sythas (who then retaliated). But that said, she'd done that probably with everybody; at least I could imagine that.