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The reverse is just as true - if WP7S was from Apple.. people like you would be all over the MR forums drooling over its "innovative and ground-breaking UI". Just look at iPad forums (and iPad concept isn't exactly on the cutting edge of innovation!)

You're right, the time will tell whether WP7S will be a true success.. But for now, let's just agree that Microsoft has put out a very interesting modern mobile OS.. which, if nothing else, will make other key players in this space (namely Apple and Google) work even harder to compete.. and hopefully not just compete by filing lawsuits.

As of yet, they haven't "put out" anything. This is Microsoft vaporware to the extreme.
 
engadget is not notoriously pro-microsoft.

Not the site and editors, but the commenters. Try saying anything pro-Apple or anti-Microsoft in the comments section and see what happens. No, seriously, give it a try.

Anyone who spends any time on Engadget at all knows exactly what kind of mosh pit for Apple haters the comments section has become.
 
Abuse

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has famously objected to his employees' iPhone usage, even singling out an iPhone-toting Microsoft employee at a company meeting and playfully pretending to stomp on the device.

That is abuse. Ballmer and Microsoft need to be hit with a lawsuit as well as a complaint.
 
Uhm...no. I know for a fact that if you work for Nokia (finland) it is looked down upon if you use an iPhone.


Hardly surprising since they are a phone company. Interestingly, Apple (Europe) have no issues about buying and using Nokias for their staff.
 
Not the site and editors, but the commenters. Try saying anything pro-Apple or anti-Microsoft in the comments section and see what happens. No, seriously, give it a try.

Anyone who spends any time on Engadget at all knows exactly what kind of mosh pit for Apple haters the comments section has become.

Outside of Apple fan sites that's pretty much the entire internet these days. e.g. check out any Apple story on Digg. Apple is no longer the plucky underdog so it's going to take some slack.
 
Outside of Apple fan sites that's pretty much the entire internet these days. e.g. check out any Apple story on Digg. Apple is no longer the plucky underdog so it's going to take some slack.

I gave up on Digg a long time ago. Talk about trolling gone wild.
 
Premature, yes. Baseless, perhaps not. I don't know *SNIP*

Yes, it's very obvious that you don't know. In fact, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Uhm...no. I know for a fact that if you work for Nokia (finland) it is looked down upon if you use an iPhone.

Yes, captain obvious, of course it's looked down upon. But if you actually read what he said, it's about the ability.
 
I'm surprised. After I read this story I was expecting lots of Microsoft bashing as if the story was about 90% of Microsoft employees use iPhone. So good for the people here.

And yes, it is a slow news day today. I've been pressing refresh throughout the day, and nothing. At least this story had the potential of some interesting comments.
 
I would think it would be better to have your employees using the competition's devices and reporting back to you so you're more aware of it's advantages, faults, etc.
 
The report notes that Microsoft last year changed its corporate mobile phone reimbursement policies to cover only device running Windows Mobile, although company executives have stated that the move was a cost-cutting measure rather than an attempt to clamp down on employe usage of devices from Microsoft's competitors.

Suuuuuuuuuuure, Microsoft. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 
*Yawn*

And how many per cent of Apple employees are using Microsoft Office for Mac, a Microsoft Xbox 360 and/or have Windows installed on their precious Macs?

Have we forgotten that Microsoft has an Mac Business Unit and that they still are one of the most important third party software producers for the Mac?

When you go to a Gravis shop, --the-- biggest Apple retail chain in Germany, you will see that their iMacs have Microsoft Remote Desktop Client running and that they actually use a Windows-based POS software in the background.

Not long ago, 100% of all Mac users had Internet Explorer on their Macs.

And soon, probably 100% of all iPhone users will be using Microsoft Bing as their search engine.
 
In other words, it accurately reflects the 95% of computer users who do not use Apples?

The 95% of computer users who do not use Apples do not spew ignorant anti-Apple invective at every opportunity and downrank anyone who disagrees with them. Nay, that's a particularly special species of the Winbot breed you have on the Engadget comments board.

Nice try.

P.S. what is it about the machine you post from that fails to grasp the concept of simple word wrapping?
 
...executives have stated that the move was a cost-cutting measure rather than an attempt to clamp down on employe usage of devices from Microsoft's competitors.

Right, because if there's one multi-billion dollar company that's in need of some cost-cutting, it's Microsoft. :rolleyes:
 
Right, because if there's one multi-billion dollar company that's in need of some cost-cutting, it's Microsoft. :rolleyes:

I thought the same thing. I'm certain Microsoft employees have used non-Microsoft driven cell phones for years. Now that the iPhone is suddenly eating at the mobile device marketplace, Microsoft now decides to enact anti-competition policy cloaked as fiscal conservatism? Riiiiight :rolleyes:
 
10% sounds about right...

I work for Microsoft and use an iPhone. No big deal.

I think this whole Microsoft vs. Apple fight is mostly sensationalism at it's finest. Truth is, we're actually all pretty good friends. Heck, we even get the Apple employee discount on Apple products.

I run Windows 7 and I run OS X, depends on what I'm doing. I don't really give it much though to be honest.

The decision to only allow us to expense Windows Mobile phones is cost cutting. The company gets a discount on WinMo phones from the providers. That discount isn't extended to the other products they offer. So yes, by expensing a Windows Mobile handset you are saving the company money. I would assume the same for Apple and Google. This excludes allowances for data and voice plans. (We can shell out for the iPhone and still expense voice and data)

I'm not gonna lie though, I'm looking forward to WP7S. The ability to play xbox live games on your console and have your save files and game state transfer over to the phone or Windows OS is a neat deal.
 
i think factoring a "global headcount" doesn't mean much. I'd be willing to bet if you look at just US employees it would be significantly more than 10%. I understand the iphone is available in other countries, but it isn't available in every country. Also I get the impression that data packages in some countries are ridiculously overpriced, making something like iphone unreasonable to own.
 
My thoughts exactly. At a glance it's refreshing to know iPhones are not barred - I might mention it to our own IT dept, if Microsoft allow iPhones why can't we?

'Cause your Corp IT department is smarter than it user base. I own an iphone, will be getting an upgrade if one comes out this year, will be getting a 3G Ipad, but working in IT I'm glad we only allow one device to connect to our corporate mail system. And there are many reasons for that.

Where does is say MS allows orther non WinMobile devices to connect to their corporate mail system?
 
Cool. 10% of people that for mcdonald down the street from me. Really eat at burger king.....
 
If MS had an operating system worth a damn this would be more surprising. I mean really, Windows Mobile? It's stuck way back in 1991. Crappiest phone OS ever; even the original PalmOS was superior!
 
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