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10-Year-Old Unlocks Face ID on His Mother's iPhone X as Questionable Mask Spoofing Surfaces

djcerla said:
It sure feels like former TouchID haters have turned en masse into FaceID haters.
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No one is hating on anything - but reality is faceID is much less secure than touchID. These videos surface to show alleged failures of FACEID. Look apple is not the messiah of technology and infallible. They are a tech company who makes great (overpriced) products for the masses but sometimes you need to bring up flaws so they can address them. They already probably know of this hence iPhone X2 is in the works. Just pull out another thousand dollar bill come 2018 for your faceID "fix".

What I do hate on is the fact most of these apple buyers are similar to liberals. Reality doesn't affect them and never blame the root of the problem, it's always your fault. What's even more insulting is that after paying this much for a toy you get a slap in the face telling you that you are doing it wrong.

This is why apple gets the hate it deserves. Snobby, arrogant, and plain reality distorting.
 
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Has apple released a statement "Your face is wrong" yet ?
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JamieLannister said:
No one is hating on anything - but reality is faceID is much less secure than touchID. These videos surface to show alleged failures of FACEID. Look apple is not the messiah of technology and infallible. They are a tech company who makes great (overpriced) products for the masses but sometimes you need to bring up flaws so they can address them. They already probably know of this hence iPhone X2 is in the works. Just pull out another thousand dollar bill come 2018 for your faceID "fix".

What I do hate on is the fact most of these apple buyers are similar to liberals. Reality doesn't affect them and never blame the root of the problem, it's always your fault. What's even more insulting is that after paying this much for a toy you get a slap in the face telling you that you are doing it wrong.

This is why apple gets the hate it deserves. Snobby, arrogant, and plain reality distorting.
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Could'nt have said it better... Bravo.
 
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"We are seeing a flood of videos on YouTube from iPhone users who have gotten their hands on the new iPhone X and are trying to trick the Face ID"

Seems like a very strange comment. Almost sounds like Samsung wrote that for her to say...
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
 
has anyone tried this first doing your face then the second iteration using a siblings face and seeing what happens?
 
JamieLannister said:
No one is hating on anything - but reality is faceID is much less secure than touchID. These videos surface to show alleged failures of FACEID. Look apple is not the messiah of technology and infallible. They are a tech company who makes great (overpriced) products for the masses but sometimes you need to bring up flaws so they can address them. They already probably know of this hence iPhone X2 is in the works. Just pull out another thousand dollar bill come 2018 for your faceID "fix".

What I do hate on is the fact most of these apple buyers are similar to liberals. Reality doesn't affect them and never blame the root of the problem, it's always your fault. What's even more insulting is that after paying this much for a toy you get a slap in the face telling you that you are doing it wrong.

This is why apple gets the hate it deserves. Snobby, arrogant, and plain reality distorting.
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The iPhone X2 would be in the works regardless of anything. Apple makes a new iPhone every year no matter how successful the previous one.
 
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apolloa said:
This is what I don’t get, they haven’t exactly been forthcoming with how this learning actually works, I mean does the X get more secure the longer you use it? Does the lighting used when setting it up matter?
And so on, trouble with this though is they expect you to use Apple Pay with it, and so far it’s been proven to not be as secure as Touch ID is. You can’t launch a product with worst security then the one it’s replacing..

But that seems to be exactly what Apple has done currently.
If more stories like this pop up, who is going to trust their money with it?
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Agreed, they should be a bit more open about it, the FaceID page lacks any best practices, or what not to do with it.

As someone else said in this thread, you almost need to be technical to use it, and maintain security. That is a big depart from TouchID just working. Would be really nice if Apple chimed in.
 
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I hav wondered what happens if my SO unlocks my phone over and over will it start to drift off my face and just be mucked up.
 
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JamieLannister said:
No one is hating on anything - but reality is faceID is much less secure than touchID. These videos surface to show alleged failures of FACEID.
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1) I didn’t know you had success rates and false positive rates for Face ID and Touch ID to compare them. As in... you’re wrong.
2) so you believe random small channels with videos that show someone unlocking a phone but never show anybody train the phone to their face.... all for the ads... but you don’t believe the testing a company who has much to lose through lying like Apple?

Lol ok.
 
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OldSchoolMacGuy said:
If you fear for your security, FaceID AND TouchID are poor choices. Go with a very long, secure password. Quit crying.
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You're correct, but let's be honest, once you've used TouchID or FaceID for a while, going back to a passcode not only feels like you're going back one step, but several steps back. Personally, I think Apple should provide all three options: passcode, their patented integrated TouchID in the screen tech and the next gen of FaceID for the successor to the X.
 
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Regardless of the security of Face ID, the key phrase is "and were just done setting up the Face IDs"

Face ID artificial intelligence had no opportunity to improve and learn from the mother's face, because they immediately tried it on their child.
If the mother had tried Face ID a few times before the child, I believe it wouldn't unlock.
 
verniesgarden said:
Non of them are anymore secure than a passcode since you can still unlock with one.
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I agree that in principle that every parallel method of access that you add will theoretically make a system less secure by definition. But that doesn't take into account the human factor.

In response to that lower security claim, Apple pointed out that most people weren't using a passcode at all, because who wants to do that every single time for something you need to unlock dozens of times a day? TouchID was revolutionary because it got almost everyone to lock their phone behind some sort of method of security as opposed to none at all.

So for an individual who already had a passcode, it is less secure. But at the herd level it is way more secure.
 
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JamieLannister said:
makes absolute sense. Typing in my 16 digit alphanumeric symbolized password while trying to checkout with apple pay at a register. Make as much as sense as paying $1k+ for a phone.
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It’s not just a “phone” so how about you and everyone else that says this stop saying shortminded stuff like this, and realize what remarkable devices smartphones truly are.
 
By the way, I am certain Apple can "tweak" the algorithms used in FaceID to be more strict on what is allowed as a match in software updates.

Where it is now is probably geared to NOT locking you out with your own face too often since that's going to be 99.99999% of the unlock tries.
 
dampfnudel said:
You're correct, but let's be honest, once you've used TouchID or FaceID for a while, going back to a passcode not only feels like you're going back one step, but several steps back. Personally, I think Apple should provide all three options: passcode, their patented integrated TouchID in the screen tech and the next gen of FaceID for the successor to the X.
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They should have just bit the bullet and put the sensor on the back if they couldn't get it under the glass IMO.
 
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smacrumon said:
You can't deny that something is very irregular with iPhone X though.
We never saw any videos of people unlocking other devices with TouchID.
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Yes I can. Apple was upfront about twins, especially identical ones and children under the age of 13. Let’s see a proper controlled test from start to finish with every step documented. I know how addictive Apple FUD is. I remember when Touch ID was allegedly spoofed right after it came out. Care to name how many people have had their identity stolen because of Touch ID? My guess is it will be the same number with Face ID.
 
Let me think:
I know, a fingerprint reader! So when Face ID is slightly unsure or still learning it asks for a fingerprint also.
Perhaps they could put the fingerprint reader under a button, on the front. (As long as the front doesn’t fall off.)
;)
 
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apolloa said:
Soooo basically FaceID is an utterly pointless security measure and Apple suggest you go back 5 years and use a ‘passcode’.

Yeah that’s value for money, a grand for ditching something that works for something that doesn’t...
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Soooo basically you’re being hyperbolic as usual.
 
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apolloa said:
Soooo basically FaceID is an utterly pointless security measure and Apple suggest you go back 5 years and use a ‘passcode’.

Yeah that’s value for money, a grand for ditching something that works for something that doesn’t...
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Doesn’t seeem to be slowing down any momentum.
 
JamieLannister said:
it's not even technical matters here...it's people spending their money on something so expensive and basically defending it from any flaws that surfaces. If the faceID doesn't work as well as touchID then just say it doesn't. I see this happening to all types of people buying apple products - the defense of apple products by these types of people is stronger than any NFL team.
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So we’re just supposed to believe a YouTube video of a random woman and her son? And something we didn’t witness and don’t have video of from start to finish? No thanks.
 
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Where are people getting that Touch ID is anywhere near perfect?

First of all, it is false that fingerprints are unique. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/why-your-fingerprints-may-not-be-unique/

Second, there are dozens and dozens of examples of people who easily defeated Touch ID, one with just using modeling clay. http://fortune.com/2016/02/24/fingerprint-spoofing-easy/

Now, two unsubstantiated reports say that they have broken Face ID and people lose their minds.

This is what I see in this thread.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
 
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