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10-Year-Old Unlocks Face ID on His Mother's iPhone X as Questionable Mask Spoofing Surfaces

This is the one thing you won't be able to determine if it's really true or if that person was authenticated in settings prior to the video. It could be true or it could be people trying to get hits on their tube account to make money. It's all up in the air, makes me appreciate my Touch ID even more.
 
If you’re too concerned about that, just bring the phone anytime while you’re up, or when you’re not around or about to sleep, you can disable the Face ID (emergency sos). Simple.
 
Westside guy said:
We're talking about real world usage here - how real people are using Face ID with their purchased iPhones. Any special considerations (e.g. "how the phone was trained") are basically irrelevant.

Additionally, the article explicitly states that a password was never entered.
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Upvoted.

Face ID should be about simplicity. Is every iPhone X owner is expected to study the Face ID white paper three times?

Maybe Face ID needs a longer 15 minute training session during the set up process. The "training" shouldn't be happening when the phone is being used after set up. Right now, the owner only finds out Face ID failed after the breach has happened.
 
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blulegend said:
This is not the greatest for being out in public where you could potentially be filmed entering in your amazing password. A combination of FaceID and TouchID would be almost ideal. And if you need EXTRA security add a password on top of it. You should be able to select the options you want.
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Stop being so paranoid. No one wants your crappy Pokemon or lame pictures of your family get togethers. No one is filming you entering your password.

Do you honestly believe that people will be close enough to film over your shoulder and see the letters you're entering on your screen?

If passwords are good enough for NSA operatives, they should be just fine for most everyone.
 
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ChrisCW11 said:
If this is true it is a disaster, period. Fanbois have to wake up an stop being in denial that Face ID might be one of biggest boondoggles Apple has introduced in a long while, but I guess if I paid $1300 for a phone I would be in constant denial too.
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Yes. I believe a random YouTube account that never showed them training the phone to the claimed “trained” face, in a video that now is receiving millions of hits on their ads ($$$$$$). Especially believe it over the legitimacy of Apple and their methods.


smh if you really think these YouTube videos are fact and Apple is doomed... I’ll take your X for free because clearly you can’t handle it.
 
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jwhitnah said:
It is important that people understand what they are buying. Apple says one thing but, it seems to be BS. Hopefully the product will improve if there is enough pressure.
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Seems to be BS because a brand new YouTube account posts a video making a claim and offering zero proof of such claim? A reputable company makes a claim but some unknown internet person makes a claim and somehow they're more trusted in their counter claim? Wow.
 
Here. Might be old fashioned but still works for when someone picks up your iPhone without permission.
 

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Westside guy said:
We're talking about real world usage here - how real people are using Face ID with their purchased iPhones. Any special considerations (e.g. "how the phone was trained") are basically irrelevant.

Additionally, the article explicitly states that a password was never entered.
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They created a YouTube video to show the failure and I have questions on the accuracy given to Wired regarding the context, and I question why none of the followup tests, or training was posted. They created a channel to document this, so why not sho that too? Just my opinion, just like the other thoughts I have posted in this thread.

I somewhat agree with your opinion on the special considerations, especially since this detail is in the fine print of FaceID.

Face ID may use the newly calculated mathematical representation—if its quality is sufficient—for a finite number of additional unlocks before that data is discarded. Conversely, if Face ID fails to recognize you, but the match quality is higher than a certain threshold and you immediately follow the failure by entering your passcode, Face ID takes another capture and augments its enrolled Face ID data with the newly calculated mathematical representation.
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Apple really needed to do a better job explaining that doing the final portion, entering a passcode, can (and appears to) retrain FaceID to accept someone else, especially a relative with similar facial features.
 
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840quadra said:
I fully agree with your statement on security, I am not defending the need to learn, I am disputing the validity of the video and followup claim.

I am also not disputing the knowin issue of Twin / sibling access to devices. There is enough proof that issue exists, and I hope Apple works on tightening down the learning process to make it less of an issue.

On FaceID, I think they tried to make it a bit too user friendly and make the programming faster than TouchID. I don’t think the speed / ease should have taken priority over security.
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This is what I don’t get, they haven’t exactly been forthcoming with how this learning actually works, I mean does the X get more secure the longer you use it? Does the lighting used when setting it up matter?
And so on, trouble with this though is they expect you to use Apple Pay with it, and so far it’s been proven to not be as secure as Touch ID is. You can’t launch a product with worst security then the one it’s replacing..

But that seems to be exactly what Apple has done currently.
If more stories like this pop up, who is going to trust their money with it?
 
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dominiongamma said:
And your opinion is stated too, Face ID has been bypassed more then Touch ID
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I’m not going to bother with such ridiculousness. You have no evidence for any of your claims. The data we have for Face ID proves it more secure. What Apple has provided. You have no way to prove it’s been bypassed more than Touch ID and choose to reject fact for your blind narrative.
 
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NCKLS said:
Facts? How bout some sources?
Of course people can trick Face ID into failing by training it to work on similar faces of two separate people. How is that real world practical usage?
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How many stories/videos were there of TouchID being spoofed when it came out? Once I put my thumb print in, my kids couldn't access my phone. Maybe Apple should have had a more substantial learning process for FaceID before it was good to use. TouchID has a longer setup but is not fooled once finished. Unless you know of instances I don't.
 
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JPack said:
LOL, "facts" provided by the company selling you the product.

No conflict of interest whatsoever, right?
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LOL, “facts” provided by the company with everything to lose by lying and being proven wrong.

No checks and balances to their truth, right?
 
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