16-Inch MacBook Pro Available Today at Apple Stores in United States With Pickup Reservation

[PickUrPoison]

Blame Intel for the Wi-Fi AX thing, and the screen is technically better. The 15 inch has 220 PPI, this 16 inch has 226 PPI. Yes, its a small difference, but its a difference, so you can't say they didn't improve the display. Also, going to 3 better microphones, 6 speakers instead of 2, 11 hours of battery instead of 10, 2600 DDR4 RAM instead of 2400, up to 8TB instead of 4, and adding an escape key and better keyboard. Literally the only thing that didn't change is the CPU and the webcam.

Don’t forget 32—>64GB max RAM, definitely worth $400 for those who need it or are planning on keeping it for a long time and want to future-proof a bit.

Also worth mentioning is the GPU upgrade. Vega 20 performance—previously available only on the $2,799 model as a $350 upgrade, so 3,149 at a minimum—is now included on the $2,399 base model. GPU upgrades (5500M 4GB and 8GB) are also available options for the base model, you don’t need to move up to the $2,799 tier to get them now.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

You may be technically correct (as you would be if it'd gone from 220 to 221 PPI), but 220 to 226 PPI is not what I'd call an improvement. It's more of a horizontal move, simply taking the 15" and making it bigger.

3840x2400 or even just 3360x2100 would be what I'd call an improvement.

It doesn't matter what "You" think is an improvement, its just a fact that 220 is less than 226. Also, once a 16 inch screen reaches about 1440P, the differences are so slight that most people can't tell the differences. Whats more important is an improved color spectrum, and brightness.

 

[Canada420]

a side by side typing comparison would be nice to do.

 

[redheeler]

It doesn't matter what "You" think is an improvement, its just a fact that 220 is less than 226.

Right, this is what I meant by "technically correct". Even 220 PPI to 221 PPI is still, technically, an increase.

Also, once a 16 inch screen reaches about 1440P, the differences are so slight that most people can't tell the differences. Whats more important is an improved color spectrum, and brightness.

I didn't realize you speak for "most people" - because you don't. The reality is it depends on different factors such as eyesight and viewing distance. Using a scaled resolution to gain more screen space results in a visibly softer picture to me, and that is true even on the 13" Retina MacBook Pro, which is 227 PPI.

The color reproduction and brightness specs are identical to last year's model. You can't claim any improvement there.

 

[EvilEvil]

Time to upgrade from my 2014 MBP.

 

[PickUrPoison]

I meant the 2.4 vs 2.3 8 core

Gotcha. Yeah $200 is a little steep; the top of the line CPU is rarely the sweet spot. I could live without it for sure.

 

[Puppuccino]

Whilst I absolutely don’t need a new Mac (I have an early 2014 MacBook Air 11”), the thought of a brand new MacBook Pro with an improved keyboard is hugely tempting.

I mean I definitely won‘t because it’d be a pointless purchase, but I love a new product launch haha.

 

[jkdsteve]

Base configurations available today, 'high-end' (2.4Ghz i9/32GB/5500M/2TB) configuration available only Nov 27

 

[Viper2005]

But will these be allowed on planes?

 

[8CoreWhore]

Have delivery dates slipped yet.... oh wait, its not an iPhone

I'm curious if these will get delayed.

 

[marcomoreno]

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Wow, this is really fast. I placed my order maybe 4 hours after they released the new 16" on the Apple homepage.

 

[8CoreWhore]

My university (BYU) had a sale yesterday that was announced weeks ahead of the launch. Somehow I was able to pick up the base model for $2099 tax free.

Sweet.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I'm sure returns are just as challenging.

I wonder what kind of attitude the people complaining about warranty or returns have. There is zero friction on a return in less than 14 days if you haven’t damaged the device. This has always been a solid recommendation for anyone that wants to know if this device will fit their specific use case.

 

[Khedron]

Any benchmarks with the new thermal management?

 

[marcomoreno]

I'm sorry it's in German but the estimated delivery date is 26-28 of Novemeber. That's all I have unfortunately. Fingers crossed they can hold the date

 

[chrono1081]

Gotcha. Yeah $200 is a little steep; the top of the line CPU is rarely the sweet spot. I could live without it for sure.

Oh wow I don't know why I read it as 4 core vs 8 core when they're both 8 cores, I just noticed I payed $200 for a .1ghz bump.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Magsafe take up too much space, the Apple logo, while it looks cool, is a waste of battery power and non-replaceable parts started under Jobs.

Worst thing about MagSafe was you could buy whatever charger you want, as long as it’s from Apple. Having standard parts open up that market. Now, you can buy any USC-PD battery pack from a reputable company and know that if your internal battery goes low, you don’t need to immedi Find an outlet.

 

[theluggage]

I think they will. Curious to see if 1mm of travel is the same as a 2015 MBP.

Its probably based on the current external Magic Keyboard, which has about half the travel of the old design: its nothing like as extreme as the butterfly keyboard. I got a MK with my 2017 iMac but after using it for a month or so switched back to an old model aluminium wired keyboard (substantially the same as the pre-2016 MBP mechanism) which I find more comfortable and accurate. Your mileage may vary - especially if you don't have an old scissor mechanism lying around for an A/B comparison.

 

[jerryk]

Literally everyone is sort of disappointed with Tim Cook and let's hope it can learn from its mistake.

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Let's also remember Jobs did not want the App Store for the iPhone. He said all apps for the iPhone would be built by Apple. Jobs also told we us were holding our iPhone 4's wrong, aka "AntennaGate". That was my last iPhone.

Also for investors, Jobs was a disaster on Apple stock, sort of. He drove the price down so far before he was fired that I picked up a lot for cheap. And today those shares are worth a lot.

 

[powerslave12r]

I think they will. Curious to see if 1mm of travel is the same as a 2015 MBP.

The 2015 was more than 1mm, looks like 1.5mm going by the chart here: https://marco.org/2019/11/13/mbp16

 

[PickUrPoison]

But will these be allowed on planes?

Yes, 100Wh is the highest allowed.

 

[jonnysods]

Very curious to try the keyboard. 1mm key travel, wonder how that will feel.

 

[TechZeke]

Right, this is what I meant by "technically correct". Even 220 PPI to 221 PPI is still, technically, an increase.

I didn't realize you speak for "most people" - because you don't. The reality is it depends on different factors such as eyesight and viewing distance. Using a scaled resolution to gain more screen space results in a visibly softer picture to me, and that is true even on the 13" Retina MacBook Pro, which is 227 PPI.

The color reproduction and brightness specs are identical to last year's model. You can't claim any improvement there.

I doubt any of ideas on this forum, the engineers at Apple haven't already thought about. Clearly, the engineering team has decided that on a laptop display, going beyond ~220 PPI has diminishing returns. Extra battery time and better UI performance is most likely more important to most users from their perspective.

Redheeler, you can't possibly believe that the average MBP buyer is complaining over some ridiculously subtle difference in sharpness or some new Wi Fi standard when the vast majority of Wi Fi networks can't even max out the previous two standards. Hate me all you want, but you just need to complain about something.

 

[turbineseaplane]

So those who have one - can you tell the difference between a Magic Keyboard?

Any “bounce” to it on the laptop? (I personally like such a thing)

Sometimes in the past I’ve noticed the keyboards simply feel/sound different due to being mounted in a laptop chassis, vs in their own casing and on a hard flat desk surface.

(Thinking back to pre 2015 laptop & desktop keyboards)

 

[jerryk]

Worst thing about MagSafe was you could buy whatever charger you want, as long as it’s from Apple. Having standard parts open up that market. Now, you can buy any USC-PD battery pack from a reputable company and know that if your internal battery goes low, you don’t need to immedi Find an outlet.

Worse thing was they broke. Having the cable permanently fixed to the charger and a no strain relief was a disaster. People wrapped the cable around the charger and ended up tearing the cable out of the charger. Then the quality of the charger itself was poor and subject to shorting out. The only thing good was that at $70 for a replacement, they generated a lot of high-margin revenue for Apple.