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16-Inch MacBook Pro Debuts With New Magic Keyboard, Physical Esc Key, Up to 64GB of RAM, and More

LeeW said:
Whether he does or not I don't know, but I believe it.
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You really think someone checked out designing Apple Campus and retail stores cares about the look of the arrow key layout on a laptop keyboard? And if thats not what pro customers wanted then why was it allowed to ship? Why didn’t Schiller‘s team tell the designers and engineers that they arrow keys needed to look a certain way?
 
For those that live in the US, count yourself lucky. Here in the UK, things are even more expensive. But I am a "pro".. so I bought it anyway.

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jb-net said:
It all sounds great, the only issue is it comes with macOS Catalina. I can't risk loosing any e-mails or data. So I will have to stay with my current MBP15 and macOS Mojave.
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I haven't lost e-mails or data. I also have a backup should the worst happen, as should everyone else.
 
LuciusWrong said:
The keys still have almost zero travel...so dashed are the hopes of anyone who wanted a keyboard that was pleasant to type on!

I mean, 1mm travel? Translated into American, that is .039"...which is just a tiny bit more than 1/16". It is so little, it may be hard to tell if the key moved when you press it!
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It's the same keyboard as the external keyboards - they take a beating, and the typing on them feels very nice.
 
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shaunp said:
Oh dear. they missed a trick on the ports. While doing a U-turn on that might as well put some useful ports back there too. And given the machine isn't actually that thin (the leading edge is thin, but it hides the true thickness of the laptop), it would have been good to put an ethernet port in there. If you rely on networked storage for your projects, dongles aren't so great. They could have even had bragging rights with the first laptop with 10GigE.
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10GigE gulp power and generate a lot of heat.
 
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Very nice! Excited for the 14” version.
But is a 100Wh legally allowed to carry on a plane? I thought the limit was 96Wh? Just curious.
Looks like a great product where they’ve fixed the issues with the old one.
 
To everyone praising the 512GB of base storage: Beware. This could be cheaper NAND technology, with shorter durability. apple doesn’t reduce its margins normally, if they aren’t charging 200$ for a jump in storage from 256GB to 512GB, maybe it is because this is a much cheaper NAND, like TLC or even QLC (which is trash, durability wise).

I hope they have a service to replace your SSD during the first 5-6 years of the notebooks life.
 
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827538 said:
Very nice! Excited for the 14” version.
But is a 100Wh legally allowed to carry on a plane? I thought the limit was 96Wh? Just curious.
Looks like a great product where they’ve fixed the issues with the old one.
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The limit is 100.

Lithium Ion Batteries: (a.k.a.: rechargeable lithium, lithium polymer, LIPO, secondary lithium). Passengers may carry all consumer-sized lithium ion batteries (up to 100 watt hours per battery). This size covers AA, AAA, cell phone, PDA, camera, camcorder, handheld game, tablet, portable drill, and standard laptop computer batteries.
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I think the big gain with this is those, like me, looking to buy a used 2019 i9 machine. People who bought a new MBP this year might be looking to sell to get this new one.

With the new 16-in pricing, that will push used prices down quite a bit.
 
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Populus said:
To everyone praising the 512GB of base storage: Beware. This could be cheaper technology. apple doesn’t reduce its margins normally, if they aren’t charging 200$ for a jump in storage from 256GB to 512GB, maybe it is because this is a much cheaper NAND, like TLC or even QLC (which is trash, durability wise).

I hope they have a service to replace your SSD during the first 5-6 years of the notebooks life.
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All indications are it’s not lower quality NAND
 
PickUrPoison said:
Buy the machine that makes you happy! There are a lot of options :)
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I want to buy a MacBook, but i don't agree with how they are doing things now. I used to upgrade every 2 years or so. They used to always have the latest processors, hard drive tech, screen tech etc. Now it seems they cut corners to save a few bucks.
 
TechZeke said:
Perhaps the butterfly keyboard was a solution looking for a problem. Except for PC Gaming Laptop users, the MacBook was unanimously given high marks for the keyboard with the scissor mechanism.

Also, I think Gruber was referring to it's thinness. I think the butterfly keyboard was an attempt to make a keyboard that's easier to package in a thinner frame.
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Not exactly a profile in courage that Gruber started taking swipes at Ive after he’s basically retired from the company. Today he says the buck stops with Ive for something from 4 years ago that was only fixed today. Really? So there’s no one else in the company that could have fixed this over the last 4 years? Only him? And only he gets to decide what ships and what doesn’t?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194633752246243329

According to Apple’s bio of Dan Riccio:

Dan Riccio is senior vice president of Hardware Engineering, reporting to CEO Tim Cook. Dan leads the Mac, iPhone, iPad and iPod engineering teams which have delivered dozens of breakthrough products.

Are we to really believe he and his hardware engineering teams had nothing to do with the MacBook Pro keyboards? That his teams had no say in the design and engineering of the keyboard? If not then what the heck does his team do? And how come most of the patents around the butterfly mechanism have hardware engineers listed as the inventors?
 
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Populus said:
To everyone praising the 512GB of base storage: Beware. This could be cheaper NAND technology, with shorter durability. apple doesn’t reduce its margins normally, if they aren’t charging 200$ for a jump in storage from 256GB to 512GB, maybe it is because this is a much cheaper NAND, like TLC or even QLC (which is trash, durability wise).

I hope they have a service to replace your SSD during the first 5-6 years of the notebooks life.
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The price of flash has gone down quite a bit. Don’t worry, Apple will still make their margins.
 
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Freakin' Awesome! I'll still want to try the new keyboard in person, but I am seriously psyched! Could this be the return of Apple listening to customers on usability?
 
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