By the way, do you know how much an 8 TB SSD costs? Its between 2000 and 6000 Euros dude! Just the SSD!
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By the way, do you know how much an 8 TB SSD costs? Its between 2000 and 6000 Euros dude! Just the SSD!
you gotta be kidding for saying that. did you even consider the ports etc?
I have a ph.d in electrical engineering and designed CPUs for AMD among others - mansplaining isn’t necessary.
You'd probably be well off to start looking at Dell then. Very unlikely we'll see removable SSD and RAM.
For SSD, with thunderbolt-3 external options available, there's little reason to upgrade the internal - and the wear issues are long past something to worry about.
I am not just about gaming. I am also about 32-bit support and better legacy app compatibility. I care nothing much about catalyst project or play iPad games on a Mac, and I am not a big fan of using iPad apps to replace macOS native apps.
Anyway, just random rants.
This is definitely one where you can upgrade yourself out of budget. I settled for starting with the top end model, upgrading to 32-gig and the top of the line graphics option. SSD isn't something that I could justify, especially with prices dropping on external options. 64-GB of ram is very tempting to future proof it - if it was $200 I'd have stretched budget, but couldn't scrape together enough to justify it.
I'd have traded the touchbar for that extra ram in a heartbeat.....
On the games, the only issue now is the lack of titles coming out for the mac. The move to metal, and the 32-bit cutoff have really whacked mac gaming bad.
They ain't coming back, Apple's far too arrogant to accept that one. Four ports that rely solely on dongle's is simply a joke, then again the MBP has been a joke since 2016 so what's new. Tell you what is W10 & Linux as that's where many independent professional's have switched to thx to Apple's piss poor design, reinforced with reduced reliability and bad decisions.
2020 we'll see, new 2019 16" MBP is just stopgap as the 15" MBP was simply a mess. Said numerous times Apple needs to do something spectacular to regain it's professional audience. Assuming it even remotely cares at this point in time. It's an exodus and Apple knows it, "Halo Effect" is well and truly evaporating by the minute...
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With speeds from Thunderbolt 3 already here and upcoming usb4 playing catch-up next year most professionals want these speeds ”outside the box” already so this is a small step in the right direction. I’ve ordered mine today and won’t need another laptop for a “long” time.
Well past that one. The requirement for removable mass storage should be clear & obvious, nothing to do with wear & tear. Once past a certain level; corporate, company, client data must be stringently controlled, hence why Microsoft is now offering Surface products with "removable" drives, most definitely not for the average user to easily upgrade.
Vast majority of my contracts clearly stipulate data management and control, which precludes the MBP as it's firmly a consumer product in the current configuration...
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wow...
$200 upgrade from 2.3ghz to 2.4ghz (I dont think turbo boost upgrade from 4ghz to 5ghz is helpful enough)
considering that Samsung 970 EVO NVME SSD 1TB in Amazon is only $169 the upgrade from 1TB to 2TB which is $400 is I think insane
considering that 32gb Samsung 2666mhz ram is only $127 in Amazon, again the $400 upgrade is I think insane
$200 upgrade from 2.3ghz to 2.4ghz (I dont think turbo boost upgrade from 4ghz to 5ghz is helpful enough)
considering that Samsung 970 EVO NVME SSD 1TB in Amazon is only $169 the upgrade from 1TB to 2TB which is $400 is I think insane
considering that 32gb Samsung 2666mhz ram is only $127 in Amazon, again the $400 upgrade is I think insane
Here's what we're happy about: for the past few years, Apple (wrt Mac) has been running - running - headlong in the wrong direction ("let's strip off everything! let's make it thinner! nothing else matters!"). Now they've stopped running, and they've started walking back in this direction. It's not "hurrah! everything is perfect now!", but at least we're no longer losing ground. If my old MBP breaks, they now sell a MBP with a keyboard that's not horrible, so I feel less at-risk now. Baby steps. It's a good thing.
Very well said - it'd the pivot to *listening* to customers instead of *telling* them.
Now if they'd just do it with the software too...but maybe that's next year
You'll be banging against the wall to get this forum to understand stuff like this.
They think we are "complaining" when really it's something Apple should be supporting.
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wow...
$200 upgrade from 2.3ghz to 2.4ghz (I dont think turbo boost upgrade from 4ghz to 5ghz is helpful enough)
considering that Samsung 970 EVO NVME SSD 1TB in Amazon is only $169 the upgrade from 1TB to 2TB which is $400 is I think insane
considering that 32gb Samsung 2666mhz ram is only $127 in Amazon, again the $400 upgrade is I think insane
Agreed..
Apple decided to start soldering on things just to drive upgrade BTO revenue at the time of initial purchase.
They duped some into thinking it was "necessary for design/thin profile", but other laptop makers have shown us just how optional of a choice it really is.
At one time it maybe was justified (earlier on in the "thinning" process), but at this point soldering things on and making you choose to buy upgrades from Apple is simply a revenue driver.
No complaints here with my full spec'd MBP 2019 15. Thing runs like a beast. No keyboard issues. Im covered by their keyboard repair/ replacement program for 4 years. I am happy. Any dints scratches i incur while owning it will be repaired for free if i have any keyboard issues. But as of now, keys are soft and butter to type on.
There doesn't seem to be a trade in option for the 2019 macbooks?
I finally upgraded this year after having a release 2012 retina that has been very reliable but basically rebuilt after the graphics card issue 2 years ago. Solid machine at 7 yo, but it was time, and I had somehow convinced myself that the 16 would be at a different price point. Now seeing I could get for the same price much better specs, I am a little annoyed. I hope I can trade it in and off set the difference in my mind with the 64 RAM and 8 GB video. I was planning on spending a little money doing some extra mods to my mp 5,1, but I might hold off on that.
I will say I like the keyboard as others seem to loathe. I assume I would (will?) love it much less with broken keys, but I like to type on it substantially more than my 2012.
I finally upgraded this year after having a release 2012 retina that has been very reliable but basically rebuilt after the graphics card issue 2 years ago. Solid machine at 7 yo, but it was time, and I had somehow convinced myself that the 16 would be at a different price point. Now seeing I could get for the same price much better specs, I am a little annoyed. I hope I can trade it in and off set the difference in my mind with the 64 RAM and 8 GB video. I was planning on spending a little money doing some extra mods to my mp 5,1, but I might hold off on that.
I will say I like the keyboard as others seem to loathe. I assume I would (will?) love it much less with broken keys, but I like to type on it substantially more than my 2012.
Laughing at people’s misjudgment or lack of knowledge on a product and rubbing it in. Sound like a great human.
All you 2019 15" fans - I'm glad you're happy..
But I'd fire sale that thing myself.
The valuation hit is going to be "not fun" and I'd jump ship now, while the value is still there.
Not only is the keyboard fixed - the ESC is back, Inverted-T is back, Navi is inside, the Screen is bigger, the Speakers/Mic are way better (according to reviewers), the cooling system/fans is better...
It's not just the keyboard here..
But I'd fire sale that thing myself.
The valuation hit is going to be "not fun" and I'd jump ship now, while the value is still there.
Not only is the keyboard fixed - the ESC is back, Inverted-T is back, Navi is inside, the Screen is bigger, the Speakers/Mic are way better (according to reviewers), the cooling system/fans is better...
It's not just the keyboard here..
What do we know about these GPUs? I work mostly in audio, so don't need an amazing GPU, but if the 5500M with 8GB can play games well in bootcamp, I'd take the plunge.
Are you referring to Steam games on Mac? I didn't realize there were so many. When I do game, it's on Windows.
It depends on what you mean by "well".
I think it's a GTX 1650 class card - which isn't amazing, particularly with the screen resolution of the MBP
(thinking of gaming - of course you could play at lower Rez also)
Why does “without an adapter” matter?! Why is that the be all and end all here?What’s wrong with moving the ports out of the machine and into any one of a number of CHOICES of mini dock... that you can STILL TAKE WITH YOU?!
Your comparison to a physical escape key is laughable. I can’t just plug one of those in. And its location is much more important than the location of a HDMI port.
Just get the dock and include it with you everywhere you take your Mac. Why can’t you do that - other than some psychological block?
You’re still carrying less weight and volume than you used to when the ports were built in. And you’re only carrying what YOU need and not what other people with different needs need.
What is the huge problem with this????
Secondly... why does YOUR Mac have to have a second or third life with YOU?? Why can’t you sell it to someone else and give it a second life with them, where it’s more appropriate?
You haven’t addressed my key questions. Here’s the flaw in your argument: Why do you need to upgrade ONLY the RAM and SSD while refusing to upgrade the rest? If you’re buying computing power (CPU, GPU, WiFi, Bluetooth, security, display technology sometimes, everything else that’s in these things) in 2019 that will still be good enough for your needs in 2022 then it’s more than you need now in 2019. You’re spending too much now for everything outside of RAM and SSD. So spend a fraction of that now and replace the entire machine when you need more RAM and SSD since by then you’ll need more CPU and GPU and whatever else. You will spend less money overall and be more up to date more consistently.
What is wrong with this??
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I appreciate the info. I'm coming from a GTX 970 in my desktop, so looks like not even at that level. Oh well, more of an after thought. Probably still worth the upgrade for the additional 500 GB on the internal SSD
Hey though - shout out to the 970!
I have a relative that still uses one. That was an ALL-TIMER GPU in my opinion.
It's honestly still a very good card, to this day, in my opinion.