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16-Inch MacBook Pro Replaces Discontinued 15-Inch Model, Pricing Ranges Between $2,399 and $6,099
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KB failures are not a trival complaints nor is throttling problems on the old machines....
When you pay top $$$$ for a machine do you not expect the quality to match what you paid?
I am getting the 16" but to call people complaints about KB failures trivial is just wrong considering Apple all but announced they suck by giving a 4 year warranty and dumping the design...
My .02
So so tempting. The keys are starting to act up on my 2017 15". I really wanted a desktop though.
Right. I missed the decimal point. Yes, nobody's going to notice by picking one up. But the huge thing is, we're no longer going down, and we haven't just paused, we've actually gone a tiny bit up. It's a good sign.
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Yes, sorry, 0.7mm - what I get for replying too early in the morning.
Basically the same thought I have for every single thread I have ever read on the internet. oh well...
The new pricing is very keen! I can't wait to see (I hope) what they do to the 13 inch replacement.
Currently, speccing a 13 inch close to that of a 15 inch base (16GB RAM, i7 processor, 512GB SSD), is $100 MORE than the NEW 16 inch MBPro! $2499 vs $2399
But the 16 inch gives you: A dedicated GPU, 6 core processor, 50% bigger screen area, new keyboard design. new thermal design. It is a no-brainer! The 13 inch is just crazily overpriced in comparison (it already was to some extent, but is laughably overpriced now).
Currently, speccing a 13 inch close to that of a 15 inch base (16GB RAM, i7 processor, 512GB SSD), is $100 MORE than the NEW 16 inch MBPro! $2499 vs $2399
But the 16 inch gives you: A dedicated GPU, 6 core processor, 50% bigger screen area, new keyboard design. new thermal design. It is a no-brainer! The 13 inch is just crazily overpriced in comparison (it already was to some extent, but is laughably overpriced now).
It's obviously not for you or me. It's for those who have a very specific problem to solve, such as Hollywood director on the go / in the field, DJ touring, and so on. And those who have so much money that they don't care and would prefer to get the best money can buy, because they want no limitations.
Just get a reasonable compromise. Get an external 1-2TB SSD for $200 and call it a day, it'll be fast enough for you, I promise. Don't worry about 64GB RAM, the fastest CPU/GPU, ray tracing, and so on. If you work for Boeing / SpaceX and need a CAD/CAM solution, your employer will pay for it. Just like you wouldn't worry about buying a solid gold Ferrari, you don't worry about what Disney and others need for rendering the next animation. Probably not a MacBook anyway.
Yes a second hand car that’s been totalled! No thank you! Rather have a brand new MBP than waste my money on a crap car That would cost me a fortune to maintain. Do you not understand car insurance in the UK is already a rip off !
I was thinking there would be interesting discounts on the 15 inch models, but even with discounts the base model 16 inch seems a better deal. Still people complaining about the bezels ... who caress about bezels.
Price for portability vs iMac is closer than it was before.
Price for portability vs iMac is closer than it was before.
Not for those that can use the notebook as a work tool. A fully loaded W10 portable workstation can range over $15K and for those that are purchasing at this level 10-20 times the return is not unreasonable...
MBP may not be Enterprise orientated, equally there still remains a solid audience that requires an OS X notebook of this calibre and it pays them to do so. If there was no market Apple would never present the option in the first place...
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Is it possible you could be a touch more brief and concise in a future post?
Honestly, your wall of text just made me scroll right past it.
(took a fair bit of scrolling on an iPad actually also...)
WAY too much for a single forum post..
probably not upgradable...don't get your hopes up ... it would be a miracle if it was... hasn't been for years ( 2012 ). Maybe ask yourself what is the most important for you; portability or horsepower and ram upgradability ... maxed out iMac + cheaper MacBook air, could be a better solution than a maxed out macbook pro in some cases ... and even the iMac is still pretty portable with the right 'professional grade' bag ;-) ... all depends on your specific needs.
Or if you're working for creative agencies or the likes... just pulling out an iMac pro out of your bag, could ad to the wow factor justifying your larger invoice
...instead of the macbook pro they all have.
Or you can get a $1000 laptop from Dell with a 4k screen.
Yeah, yeah. I don't want a windows laptop, or a dell either, I'm just pointing out at this point it's getting ridiculous that they don't offer a 4k screen that even low and mid range laptops are getting from other companies.
And no, it's not just a feature whine. When you're editing photos if you're not doing 1:1 pixels the photo gets blurry, so you're stuck in the old 1440 pixel sized desktop (which they did scale up to 2880), but the desktop elements are the same size, so it's not more productive.
The old 17" macbook had 1920x1200 resolution, or the desktop space equivalent of 3840x2400 at 144dpi.
That's why professionals miss it.
It's a shame that anyone carries this water for Apple.
There are so many pro machines out there in the Windows world that are thin, light and user upgradable.
Apple gives the user no tangible advantage by soldering everything in there.
It's done solely to drive very expensive upgrades at the time of purchase from Apple and it is incredibly user hostile.
Mac's have never been cheap, however they have presented solid value in the past, sadly far less in recent years. The new 16" will either correct this trend or reinforce, only time will tell. Few really need a Mac, those that do professionally may benefit from a high end configuration. Ultimately only the end user knows if they are squandering $2,800 to view FarceBook or investing $5K to make $250K, equally it's good such options exist for those that do have a genuine need.
Agree this level of notebook isn't for everyone, and without such options both on OS X & W10 life would be far harder for a good number of us. For some it's an investment that pays dividends regardless of platform. My current W10 primary has paid for itself a hundredfold more. Will I switch back to the Mac? In a heartbeat if it makes sense and aligns with the project - High Tier 16" with 32GB would likely work, if not a lot more out there with the Windows OEM's.
In general what I would pay for a MBP, I'll pay the same if not more for a Windows notebook as they both serve the same purpose at the end of the day, the hardware, OS & Apps must deliver. A little research can get you more for less, equally as the old adage goes "you get what you pay for"...
I also get that many would like a larger format MacBook without the associated cost of the 15" MBP and it's internals. It's a bad show that Apple doesn't serves this audience, equally others do and by not purchasing Apple only then will Apple respond. The 16" is here as the previous 15" MBP was simply a poor design based on bad decisions, hopefully times have changed....
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Eh, I don't think there's anything inherently good about the machine getting larger - quite the opposite in fact, if they could do it without compromise (which they demonstrably can't) I'd love to see something even smaller than the previous 15". The key thing is they have recognised the issues with the KB and thermals and reacted accordingly, the fact they've managed it with a minimal change in overall dimensions is a laudable engineering feat!
Not exactly.
We have been asking for no Touchbar, mag-safe, user upgradable RAM and ssd and mor ports.
I do not see anything even close to that.
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Although there are some improvements, After 4 years doing tiny steps in the right direction is not enough.
Apple used to be the leader and now we suppose to be happy be "Tiny steps"....??
We still
Have the same useless touchbar.
No MAG-SAFE
No user upgradable RAM and SSD
Still soldered components that makes it a disposable appliance?
Still limited to 4 ports. Actually 3 if you use one to plug power.
Very much remains to be a consumer product that can be utilised by a minority professionally. I'll wait on 2020 as this is not the turning point by any means, if at all...
SSD's must be removable at a very minimum in order to consider the MBP as professional orientated notebook.
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Oh well, I think I'm in. I originally bought my current 2019, i9 2.3ghz 8 core, 32GB ram, 2TB SSD, Vega 20, because I knew the 16" would require Catalina and there'd be no way to go back to Mojave.. Sadly I have 100+ steam games and some audio apps that are 32 bit only and I didn't want to lose them...
However, get ready for this, the new one with ATI 5500M EIGHT GB, 32Gb ram, 2TB SSD and the 2.3ghz 8 core is *$400* Australian dollars cheaper! I can add the 9980HK to it and the new 16" is still around $70 cheaper, WITH an 8GB 5500M, than my setup above! That's just stupid so I would have to be an idiot to keep this and not return it. It will go into refurb and my sister who needs a new computer could even re buy it for a massive saving. Now, I DID get 5 percent off, so it was 5962 AUD vs 6259, and I have no idea if they would do that for me for the 16", but even if not, I will save 100 bucks just paying full price and getting the precise same processor, ram, storage I have now but with a very decent graphics card which means I could game at full HD at good frame rates.
I am really who shocked and surprised at the price difference, especially more so if I hadn't gotten that 5% off on the apple store phone for being a loyal customer.
So I only have 3 disappointments with the 16".. The 4 USBC ports are still no where near spaced enough, so much wasted room on the sides, the loss of all 32 bit app compatibility and I think they could have improved thermals more dramatically. At the end of the day, 12 watts heat dissipation improvement is a lot, and should enable the processor to sit at around 3.5ghz on all 8 cores when loaded, but they are still using a single shared heat pipe which is a bit bizarre. That said, the performance will get close enough to my base iMac pro that I could sell it now and just use the one computer for work and play...
In fact I think I'll load this up, 64GB ram, 4TB SSD and even the 9980HK..
I think even the 5300M is capable of HD gaming.. and it has 15 less watts of heat..The way to do that is to buy the 6 core then upgrade processor, ram etc and leave the GFX at the 5300M. That said, I will wait a few days for benchmarks to come out as well as thermal tests.. I have till next Wednesday to decide. I really did get it at the right time in that regard.
Right now, my 2.3ghz I9 can max out at about 3ghz all core turbo when under load.. far from the 4.1ghz capability of the chip. My iMac pro stays on the max all core turbo 3.9ghz without any throttling whatsoever on all 8 cores.. so if this new MacBook Pro can get close, why keep both computers.. I can still get 6K AUD for mine (it has 2TB SSD and 64GB ram), I'll spend 2K of that on a killer screen and have a 2 screen setup with the MacBook when in the music studio.
Lots to think about everyone! Cheers.
However, get ready for this, the new one with ATI 5500M EIGHT GB, 32Gb ram, 2TB SSD and the 2.3ghz 8 core is *$400* Australian dollars cheaper! I can add the 9980HK to it and the new 16" is still around $70 cheaper, WITH an 8GB 5500M, than my setup above! That's just stupid so I would have to be an idiot to keep this and not return it. It will go into refurb and my sister who needs a new computer could even re buy it for a massive saving. Now, I DID get 5 percent off, so it was 5962 AUD vs 6259, and I have no idea if they would do that for me for the 16", but even if not, I will save 100 bucks just paying full price and getting the precise same processor, ram, storage I have now but with a very decent graphics card which means I could game at full HD at good frame rates.
I am really who shocked and surprised at the price difference, especially more so if I hadn't gotten that 5% off on the apple store phone for being a loyal customer.
So I only have 3 disappointments with the 16".. The 4 USBC ports are still no where near spaced enough, so much wasted room on the sides, the loss of all 32 bit app compatibility and I think they could have improved thermals more dramatically. At the end of the day, 12 watts heat dissipation improvement is a lot, and should enable the processor to sit at around 3.5ghz on all 8 cores when loaded, but they are still using a single shared heat pipe which is a bit bizarre. That said, the performance will get close enough to my base iMac pro that I could sell it now and just use the one computer for work and play...
In fact I think I'll load this up, 64GB ram, 4TB SSD and even the 9980HK..
I think even the 5300M is capable of HD gaming.. and it has 15 less watts of heat..The way to do that is to buy the 6 core then upgrade processor, ram etc and leave the GFX at the 5300M. That said, I will wait a few days for benchmarks to come out as well as thermal tests.. I have till next Wednesday to decide. I really did get it at the right time in that regard.
Right now, my 2.3ghz I9 can max out at about 3ghz all core turbo when under load.. far from the 4.1ghz capability of the chip. My iMac pro stays on the max all core turbo 3.9ghz without any throttling whatsoever on all 8 cores.. so if this new MacBook Pro can get close, why keep both computers.. I can still get 6K AUD for mine (it has 2TB SSD and 64GB ram), I'll spend 2K of that on a killer screen and have a 2 screen setup with the MacBook when in the music studio.
Lots to think about everyone! Cheers.
not really, i did my research but there were times when i was desperate and considered going for previous gen or EVEN windows . I managed somehow with cloud computing to put off committing to a product. EOD am just glad i will now be £3k less