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Is LP faster, or is it just less power hungry?
I initially thought it was a power thing only, but it’s both. When you look into it, the speed improvement over DDR4 is quite significant. It would even make a difference in many desktop designs where low power isn’t even needed.

I wonder if Intel will EVER support it or just jump straight to LPDDR5?
 
B&H now has all 180 combinations of the 16" MBP listed on their website. It's kind of a mess right now and I'm sure they will eventually clean this up.

Model Numbers:
Z0XZ-MVVJ-01-BH through Z0XZ-MVVJ-47-BH
Z0Y0-MVVK-01-BH through Z0Y0-MVVK-41-BH
Z0Y1-MVVL-01-BH through Z0Y1-MVVL-47-BH
Z0Y3-MVVM-01-BH through Z0Y3-MVVM-41-BH

MVVJ2LL/A
MVVK2LL/A
MVVL2LL/A
MVVM2LL/A

Thanks for spotting this. Strange, though...they seem to be more expensive (at least for my desired configuration) and thus wipe out any sales tax savings in my instance.
 
Waiting on the sensible reviews, equally we're getting back in the game at a less than idiotic price point, as long the notebook delivers and isn't the same garbage as the 2016 farcebook...

High tier 15" should include 8GB GPU by default, equally this is Apple (cheap & greedy). Concerns as a new design is likely occur in 2020, which will be another level up. Such antics are very Apple under Tim & Co...

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Thanks for spotting this. Strange, though...they seem to be more expensive (at least for my desired configuration) and thus wipe out any sales tax savings in my instance.

Could be a pricing error. They should be identical to Apple's pricing, at least initially. I might consider a drive to the Delaware Apple Store.
 
Waiting on the sensible reviews, equally we're getting back in the game at a less than idiotic price point, as long the notebook delivers and isn't the same garbage as the 2016 farcebook...

High tier 15" should include 8GB GPU by default, equally this is Apple (cheap & greedy). Concerns as a new design is likely occur in 2020, which will be another level up. Such antics are very Apple under Tim & Co...

Q-6

Agreed on pricing and on a new model in 2020.

That said I think it’s a good release that simply needs a sale price or a refurb offering down the road to be the smart move.
 
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I priced out a maxed out 16 inch, and it is cheaper than the maxed out 2018 15 inch, even though it has much better specs. So, just for giggles, I went through Apple's trade in page to see what I could get for my 2018 MacBook Pro 15 inch, i9, 32GB RAM, 4TB drive, perfect condition. My trade in value: Zero.

Suck it Apple.

Apple do offer Free recycling of your old MacBook Pro as part of your trade in. Quite a good offer.
 
Agreed on pricing and on a new model in 2020.

That said I think it’s a good release that simply needs a sale price or a refurb offering down the road to be the smart move.

Smart move is to wait and see if Apple proves itself if you rely on the hardware for a living. Way too much trash for too long as of late...

Tim & Co need to decide to step up and deliver or get out of the market and just stick with nicely appointed consumer electronics. Want to serve a demanding professional audience? You need to deliver especially if the user is relying on your hardware/software solutions for a living as they will be absolutely highly critical and rightfully so.

Time to wake up...

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So does this 9th Gen Intel CPU in the MBP 16" still have the hardware vulnerabilities from Spectre and Meltdown attacks? There are other new side-channel attacks now from ForeShadow and Zombieload. Is this MBP 16" vulnerable to all these attacks still?
 
Apple do offer Free recycling of your old MacBook Pro as part of your trade in. Quite a good offer.

A year old, maxed out Macbook Pro in perfect condtion is not a "recycle" option. I can get $3000 from Jay's Brokers. Why not Apple?
 
Will the 16" be able to run Mojave? I'm staying on Mojave for now because of some old 32-bit apps I need to migrate away from. I was about to push the order button before realizing I needed to know!
No - 10.15.1 minimum, unfortunately.
 
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It looks all great except:

GPU is still terrible for gaming either way.
Price is still prohibitively expensive.
Comes with Catalina, one of the worst macOS release in mu opinion. No high sierra and below no Mac.
 
A year old, maxed out Macbook Pro in perfect condtion is not a "recycle" option. I can get $3000 from Jay's Brokers. Why not Apple?

Because you likely did something wrong. I ran some multiple machines through that I have. *None had the no value, recycle offer. Clearly you're missing something with your configuration. That's not to say it would be better than sellyourmac or whomever, but it's not zero.
 
Because you likely did something wrong. I ran some multiple machines through that I have. *None had the no value, recycle offer. Clearly you're missing something with your configuration. That's not to say it would be better than sellyourmac or whomever, but it's not zero.
Apple’s trade in page offered me just over $1K for my 2017 2,799 model so the 2018 model has to be worth more in trade in value. The poster must’ve done something wrong on the site. Maybe they punched their serial number in wrong or something.
 
It looks all great except:

GPU is still terrible for gaming either way.
Price is still prohibitively expensive.
Comes with Catalina, one of the worst macOS release in mu opinion. No high sierra and below no Mac.

with Catalina you don’t need to worry about how it performs with games anyway.
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I’m reading the Verge article…

You can replace a single keycap if it breaks - without replacing “the entire top half of the machine”

What a novel concept Apple!

So the new keyboard is a cost cutting exercise.
 
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Apple’s trade in page offered me just over $1K for my 2017 2,799 model so the 2018 model has to be worth more in trade in value. The poster must’ve done something wrong on the site. Maybe they punched their serial number in wrong or something.
TBH that's kinda low for the 2017. I'm showing almost 700 for the 2015 15" base.
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Further to my prior third party seller questions (thanks for the info), it looks like Expercom has great pricing. Cancelled with Apple and ordered the same configuration from them for almost $450 less. Lack of sales tax helps a lot of course.
 
Professional Users - "We miss the higher resolution screen and more ports of the 17 inch macbook!"

Apple - "oh they want it bigger! Call it 16 inches!"

Talk about one of the lamest misinterpretations of the data. Barely any more resolution than the 15" model and ignores all the reasons professionals asked for more resolution.

Lest we forget, the 15" had 1440x900 before retina, which led to the 2880 resolution, which basically was the same sized desktop at 144dpi instead of 72.

The old 17" had 1920x1200. That was enough to do 1080p video for professionals which was the standard. Pixel doubled would be 3840x2400, and most laptop companies now offer 4k screens which are closer to this than the pathetic 3072 apple just upgraded to from 2880.

And still only 4 ports!!! The reason professionals are asking for more ports is that 4 is too small a number when you have multiple hard drives, a monitor, and a power supply.

I often have to unplug my power when having to copy between 2 high speed ssd's while working off a 3rd. And if i have to copy mutliple memory cards, im often unplugging the power.

The new specs are great, dont get me wrong, but this is a sad day for users hoping for a return of the professional macbook matching what apple offered in the discontinued 17" that professionals needed.
 
I‘ll wait for the upcoming CPU upgrade after the ifixit report. 64GB and better cooling/keyboard sounds nice. Sadly Apple didn‘t take the chance to equip it with socketed RAM and dual M.2 slots for SSDs.
Ports also haven‘t been addressed, so this thing is better compared to my 2018 - but still cannot compete with my 2012 Retina Mbp.
 
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Why would they do that? 4k resolution is for a huge desktop screen. For a 16" screen it's useless. All it does is make the GPU slower and cost battery life. You can't see the difference.

Maybe you cant see the difference but professional photographers and videographers can.

We can absolutlely see the difference when editing photos or video.

Being able to edit in 4k without pixel interpretation from a smaller screen means you can effectively evaluate noise in an image as opposed to having it blurred out.
 
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I priced out a maxed out 16 inch, and it is cheaper than the maxed out 2018 15 inch, even though it has much better specs. So, just for giggles, I went through Apple's trade in page to see what I could get for my 2018 MacBook Pro 15 inch, i9, 32GB RAM, 4TB drive, perfect condition. My trade in value: Zero.

Suck it Apple.
That seems exceedingly odd since my maxed out 2016 15" has a trade in value of almost $2000CDN. Maybe you should try doing the quote again and this time believe that Apple doesn't suck but rather you didn't complete the query correctly? Negativity breeds negative results.
 
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