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Appleinsider claims
No word on the expected availability of the 12" MacBook Pro, but the 15" MacBook Pro announced in January has begun shipping to users.
Maybe I'm crazy but.... I WANT A FAST LITTLE 12" MACBOOK PRO, NOW!:)o)
EDIT: Heh. I just looked and I guess a lot of other people want that too. :eek:
 
Damien said:
Also I thought computer screens were already hi-def?


In terms of resolution, there are currently two standards for High Definition Video:

1280 x 720 (Known as "720")
1920 x 1080 (Known as "1080")

So while the current MacBook Pro resolution (at 1440 x 900) is enough to support the lower resolution 720 HD, it's not enough pixels to display 1080 at it's native resolution.

Incidentally, the 20" Core Duo iMac's resolution tops out at 1680 x 1050, so that's not enough either.

HDTV isn't really designed for small screens. At work I have a 19" CRT HDTV and you really miss the experience on a screen that small. HDTV really enhances the big screen experience, so screen sizes of 36" and higher display a really clean, sharp image.
 
LFrascogna said:
This seems counter intuitive. The 17" is a huge niche market. I've only seen about 3 in my life, and this includes architecture school studios and architects. Whereas I've seen tons of 12".

Either way, I'm holding onto my G4 TiBook 15" and G5 iMac 20" until the intel 12" arrives. (or the 13.3, oooh)
Yeah, most people (and heck no, not any general consumers) are willing to give that much for a laptop. The people who get a 17" are mostly those that need a high-powered, big screen portable like that for work, and those people are pretty few.... 13.3" I think we'll be seeing... but I still hope 12".
 
i thought 4GB of RAM was a silly request for about 3 seconds...2 seconds to long


now that i a genuinely in the market for a powerbook, i realize that i would be overjoyed with the prospect of 4 GB of ram. i want to run reason and logic on this at the same time...and that 2GB more would be lovely. and reason drum kits "strongly recommends" a gig be given to it's use...
all i need is that and FW800 and i wouldn't mind a 17 inch.


o and the 17 inch DOES have a respectable market. the ONLY reason i am firmly against buying one without technical justification is portability. but that is because i live in NY and am always on the train. if i moved around a little less i would lean towards the 17 in all cases because of the extra screen space and power.
 
tekriter said:
All very true, but just think of who Apple is leaving out of their customer base -

most all governmental employees who use their laptops for work
the entire defense industry
many ad agencies (my daughter works for one - there are entire floors at her company that are no-cameras-allowed)
engineering firms that deal in proprietary designs
virtually any user on a military base


It's already hard enough to get Macs in a business setting.
any chance of Mac say ok, you can get $(whatever) back if you don't do iSight? So it's still standard, but can be removed? Has Mac ever done anything like that before?
 
Noiseboy said:
Yes, it's strange that because some people have no need for the screen real estate that the 17" gives, in what I think is a perfectly portable form factor, then it should be dropped from the line. If you don't want one don't buy one but don't whinge about those of us who do need the power and the large display and are not too weak to carry one.
I too hope that the new 17" is announced soon even though I won't be buying until next year it should mean that rev b or c will be killer machines. In the meantime my existing 17" runs my Pro Tools mobile set up and a bunch of other related software pretty well and doesn't seem to have broken my back.:cool:
The people who complain about the 17" are those who want to carry their laptop around the office/school/home/whatever with one hand.
Like, uhhhh.... me.:eek:
Never dropped it! :p
 
amateurmacfreak said:
any chance of Mac say ok, you can get $(whatever) back if you don't do iSight? So it's still standard, but can be removed? Has Mac ever done anything like that before?

Security will probably fix it for ya with a hammer and a small sharp nail.
 
Multimedia said:
I for one am a 15" owner wishing I had the 17" because I want the higher resolution screen for video editing - maximum screen real estate. That is also why I want FW800 and 4 GB of RAM in it.
oh i am quite fond of the 17'', but the person i quoted originally was saying they wanted something larger than a 17'' to be portable, somethign that wouldn't sell well at all...;)
 
sartinsauce said:
HDTV isn't really designed for small screens. At work I have a 19" CRT HDTV and you really miss the experience on a screen that small. HDTV really enhances the big screen experience, so screen sizes of 36" and higher display a really clean, sharp image.

Actually, HDTV was originally designed for small screens. The idea was to allow people to sit closer to the TV not to make the screen larger! That turned out to be one of the benefits!!!
 
pjkelnhofer said:
Actually, HDTV was originally designed for small screens. The idea was to allow people to sit closer to the TV not to make the screen larger! That turned out to be one of the benefits!!!


What's your source? I've never heard that HDTV was designed for a small screen.

Okay, maybe I should ask that another way. What size is a "small screen"?
 
Hey there,

Im working with a 17" PBook, circa August '05 (ie: 1440 x 900 version). Its a great machine, and satisfies all of my needs as of right now. My intentions in getting it weren't exactly clear, except for the fact that I wanted to migrate from a PC and a desktop at the same time. Contrary to many complaints about the 17, i think its an excellent desktop replacement (ie: the size doesn't bother me).

I'll be graduating from undergraduate college after this semester. I intend to take next year off to travel, take the LSATs, etc etc, before moving on to graduate school.

Right before going back into school I plan to replace this PBook with one of the MacBook Pros. Normally I would keep a computer for much longer, but with the change to x86, as well as the obvious speed advantages, I think I'll move on to my second Mac by then.

So, what do you think will be on the table in a year and a half?
 
amateurmacfreak said:
Maybe I'm crazy but.... I WANT A FAST LITTLE 12" MACBOOK PRO, NOW!:)o)
EDIT: Heh. I just looked and I guess a lot of other people want that too. :eek:

Yeah a 12" or 13.3" Widescreen would be nice, 17" aren't really practical for portability purposes.

I'd really like to be seeing a nice 12" or 13.3" MB in the next few months (I live in hope).
 
sartinsauce said:
In terms of resolution, there are currently two standards for High Definition Video:

1280 x 720 (Known as "720")
1920 x 1080 (Known as "1080")

The best thing about HD is hardly any Australian TV actually supports it, we only get SD :(. It really is a redundant technology down-under.
 
pjkelnhofer said:
Actually, HDTV was originally designed for small screens. The idea was to allow people to sit closer to the TV not to make the screen larger! That turned out to be one of the benefits!!!

So people could sit closer to the screen :confused: Doesnt seem likely to me.

I hate the current trend to get video on portible devices, it will be ok but it will never be the main way people will watch Videos.

Its all wrong, people like the experance of watching a film or program, thats why the cinema format is still so popular. I think we will see bigger screens not smaller. People want the experance, not the ability to watch the simpsons while out jogging, i mena seriously, now much chance do you have to watch a film when you are out of the house?
 
Damien said:
Its all wrong, people like the experance of watching a film or program, thats why the cinema format is still so popular. I think we will see bigger screens not smaller. People want the experance, not the ability to watch the simpsons while out jogging, i mena seriously, now much chance do you have to watch a film when you are out of the house?

I think you're right. HDTV, Plasma screens that start @ 42", 5.1 Surround sound; it all adds up to viewing your television/home videos in an environment. Watching on a small screen is cute, but it's a toy.

Don't misunderstand me. I hope that Apple comes up with a device that allows video viewing to be as fun and user-friendly as the ipod-itunes-iTMS experience.

As an example, my girlfriend got me a PSP as a Christmas gift. I'm not really a gamer, but I like a good video game here and there. She also got me a copy of Pulp Fiction on UMD. Pulp Fiction is one of my favorite films, guess how many times I've watched it on the PSP?

Once...

On the first day I opened the PSP...

I watched the first scene...

It's kinda lame watching on a PSP.
 
sartinsauce said:
As an example, my girlfriend got me a PSP as a Christmas gift. I'm not really a gamer, but I like a good video game here and there. She also got me a copy of Pulp Fiction on UMD. Pulp Fiction is one of my favorite films, guess how many times I've watched it on the PSP?

Once...

On the first day I opened the PSP...

I watched the first scene...

It's kinda lame watching on a PSP.

Yeah true, I find that I am putting DVDs on my iPod video and hardly watching them. I think the fun is in the medium not so much the format.

But I do watch Futurama and the Simpsons on the iPod pretty much everytime I get the train home from work, kid of good for watching no more than about 20mins.
 
I am definately under the impression that the "MacBook Pro" models will only come in the 15" and 17". The smaller size will be left completely for the 13" "Macbook". And following the typical Apple product lineup, it will come in the "Good, better, best" configurations, perhaps lower specced ones to suit students and casual users (Core-solo), and higher specced ones to suit more demanding users (core-duo).

After all, the current product lineup is a bit messy, with virtually no difference between the 12" and 14" ibook (even the screen resolution is the same!), and then barely any difference between them and the 12" powerbook. It is only the 15" and 17" where things get a little more exciting - backlit keyboard, bigger batteries, widescreens, brighter screens, better sound, sudden motion sensors, plus others.

I'd say that "much cooler" products are in the pipeline for the pro users. ;)
Perhaps a pro subnotebook sans optical drive, and docking capabilities. Perhaps a tablet. There are many different scenarios, and this cleans up apples notebook range from 5 different models and dozens of configurations to 3 different models and less possible configurations. This in turn will speed manufacturing, improve supply/demand, and increase inventory efficiency.

Seems like a great move to me. So long 12" Powerbook.
 
tekriter said:
All very true, but just think of who Apple is leaving out of their customer base -

most all governmental employees who use their laptops for work
the entire defense industry
many ad agencies (my daughter works for one - there are entire floors at her company that are no-cameras-allowed)
engineering firms that deal in proprietary designs
virtually any user on a military base


It's already hard enough to get Macs in a business setting.

True that any company or government agency WILL NOT allow cameras of any type near pretty much 99.9% of all areas.

Apple needs to give the BTO option for a MacBook Pro without iSight. The goverment loves Mac OSX, safe, secure, easy to use but adding a camera will take the Apple option out of ANY defence, government or military contract looking to update to I.T. equipment. The absolute only time when the military might just consider this is when security isn't the top issue but communcations is.
 
ezekielrage_99 said:
The best thing about HD is hardly any Australian TV actually supports it, we only get SD :(. It really is a redundant technology down-under.

What are you talking about? All major (2, sbs, 7, 9, 10) stations in Australia support HD. either in 576p debatable if this is HD, but it is a lower HD standard) or 1080i. They are also required to carry SD signals as well, which in Australia is 576i.
 
steve_hill4 said:
Yes, they will be. Yonah currently uses about 35W under full load, (IIRC), and Merom is said to be 5W, with Otellini saying each of the Merom based chips will lower Power in their respective platforms by about 30W. I do also read that Core Duo claims to be less than 25W, which would either refer to Yonah itself, or the LV versions of Yonah.

To me this seems massive, but there must be some creative accountancy in there. I did read also that the Merom will go as low as 0.5W in the ULV flavour.

I do not know where you get your information from, but it is very wrong. Merom is currently listed as using more power than Yonah, 35W vs 31W, although performance is likely higher, so performance/watts should be a bit better.

"Merom, the mobile variant, is listed at 35 watts TDP for standard versions and 5 watts TDP for Ultra Low Voltage (ULV) versions."

BTW, the reference below isn't the only one, it is available all over the web

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Next_Generation_Microarchitecture#Laptops
 
thunng8 said:
What are you talking about? All major (2, sbs, 7, 9, 10) stations in Australia support HD. either in 576p debatable if this is HD, but it is a lower HD standard) or 1080i. They are also required to carry SD signals as well, which in Australia is 576i.

HD yes is shown, but the support for it is not so good, the only broadcasters that are really investing anything in it is SBS and ABC (for the time being).

i7, Nine and Ten (in otherwords the commercial stations) aren't putting too much into HD (720p or 1080i ) because of this:

"The catch, of course, is that HD broadcasts are available on far fewer programs. The Government has imposed HD programming quotas on each broadcaster of at least 1040 hours annually (but only for Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth). They've got up to two years after the commencement of digital service to get up to speed in other markets. But there's no need to despair if you decide to invest in SD gear. The Federal Government requires broadcasters to provide a digital SD signal at all times, even when HD programs are being broadcast, so you'll always be able to receive a digital television service, even when the higher quality HD signal is being transmitted." - Digital Broadcasting Australia organisation.

http://www.dba.org.au/

At the moment there are restrictions on HD TV(minimum and maximum broadcasting quotas) in Australia so for the moment I'm not putting too much stock in it. SD is good for now I like my Digital Set-Top Box.
 
Mine is 17"! How big is yours?

Really can't wait to buy my new 17 inch MBP! Perfect for my small dorm room: movies on a sexy-big screen with frontrow and remote + it's a graphics workhorse. Oh, and it's portable too in case I get out of bed for a lecture :p
 
If they are announced in June, then I guess they won't be shipped till July 31 or something.
 
raster said:
If they are announced in June, then I guess they won't be shipped till July 31 or something.

Yes, that's definitely something to keep in mind. Normally I would say there is an excellent chance that the shipping dates would be roughly 4 weeks out, although you never know, perhaps this situation will be different - perhaps one of the reasons Apple is waiting until June to release therse machines is so that they can release them with immediate shipping. Maybe their other option was releasing them in April/May, but having a 4-6 week shipping date tacked onto that. Tough to say. :)
 
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