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20" & 23" Aluminum Displays Now Shipping
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Since I haven't seen the HP in person and can't verify that the color quality is the same. Assuming it is, I can think of one reason not to buy it, reputation. I can't tell you how many people I know have had problems with their HP products. On the other hand, Apple has never done me wrong. I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, but it certainly influenced my decision to get the Apple.
Rocketfella said:
Brilliant observation Rfella and clearly that's what many people here are bitching and whining about. There is a solution to use the Apple CD as a HDTV but nobody was listening, all they see is dollar signs, all I see is a pretty good display from HP but more cheaply put together or a really good display from Apple put together really well. From reading other, non-Mac biased threads about the HP which, honestly, even I was highly considering for a short bit in there after reading it here first, it seems quite a few HPs get shipped with this big black band of non-working monitor. To HPs credit they've taken every shipped one like this back, in some cases even paying for the shipping. Apple (usually) has MUCH higher quality standards, a chance you wont have to take, or rather lesson with Apple. Steve Jobs even said that other manufactures take the displays Apple rejects, that could only be HP or Sony as they're the only ones using the same display (all three companies get their display from the same company, I'm too lazy to look it up). I've nothing against HP, as far as peecee makers I'd say they're the most innovative, they seem to know what they're doing, but quality for quality Apple is better.
One other thing I read on one of the posts for the L2335 in a forum discussing it and the Apple 23", the L2335 gets hot, very hot in it's plastic enclosure, so much so you get whiter areas of the screen, i.e. uneven color. Even some peecee trustfund gaming weenie who had two L2335s and bragged about this commented they both had this issue (he didn't care, not much brains there). Uneven color and white spots comes from heat, put a hair drier behind an LCD in one spot and you'll see what this looks like, it's just a phenomena with liquid crystal and heat. In more than one place I've seen people post that they've not seen that first hand in the 23" Apple display. The hypothetical working theory is aluminum displaces heat from the display evenly, perhaps an intentional, or unintended benefit of the Apple's aluminum casing. I'm a high end graphics person and can't really afford to have color shifting from one corner of the display to the other. Is paying another couple hundred worth blowing a graphics design job? Duh. No.
So it's this simple, if you're a cheap mofo who doesn't care about quality, workmanship, have no aesthetic tastes whatsoever, don't mind sending a monitor back and forth, potentially out of your pocket (which will add to the price) and is going to play games and surf for porn (and doesn't care how that porn looks on screen) on your computer, get the L2335, it'll make you happy; if you're into quality workmanship, don't mind spending a little more, like something that is form AND function, respect and like quality, don't feel like playing the shipping game for a working model and care about what you see on screen every time... get the Apple.
There ya go, pick which of those two you fall into above and make the purchase.
Worried about inputs?
Well, if you want more inputs for your Apple 23" or 30" HD displays, get an HD DVI switcher! I know it's not a very aesthetic solution, but it'll do. Gefen Inc. makes such a switcher; between $210-250 street price for the 2-input, 1-output switcher. http://www.gefen.com And no I don't work for Gefen!
-jace
Well, if you want more inputs for your Apple 23" or 30" HD displays, get an HD DVI switcher! I know it's not a very aesthetic solution, but it'll do. Gefen Inc. makes such a switcher; between $210-250 street price for the 2-input, 1-output switcher. http://www.gefen.com And no I don't work for Gefen!
-jace
Cadence said:
Many of the newest generations of HDTV equipment come with either a firewire or a DVI output to comply with the newest copy-protection regulations from the FCC. Assuming that you have this equipment, there is no reason to belive that the Apple Cinema Display wouldn't be able to be used with that equipment. Of course, if you are outputting firewire, you will need a Mac, but you should be able to connect the ACD directly to the DVI output if that is what you will be using.
someone mentioned eyetv as a solution, but as far as i know eyetv only works with an HD antenna and not a HD cable box. I read the macoshints, but I'm not as interested in recording than I am in just purely watching HD channels on my monitor.
So the ACD should work fine with any firewire or DVI HD Cable box? Sorry I'm super new to this, just trying to find out exactly how simple it would be to watch HDTV on a ACD or if it would require one of those switchers or an additional adaptor?
If someone has hooked up HDTV to their new 23" HD ACD, please share!
thanks
So the ACD should work fine with any firewire or DVI HD Cable box? Sorry I'm super new to this, just trying to find out exactly how simple it would be to watch HDTV on a ACD or if it would require one of those switchers or an additional adaptor?
If someone has hooked up HDTV to their new 23" HD ACD, please share!
thanks
I second that. Please! So far I know nothing about HDTV but it's soon to be available in my area via cable so I'm curious to find out if I'll be able to watch it without buying anything other than a Cinema Display (assuming the cable company will provide the tuner). Like Cadence, I have no interest in recording it, just watching.Cadence said:
I got this message from Elgato sales.
"We also like to give our customers "the personal touch", but as a
small company we need to be choosy about what shows we attend. We
will be in Paris in August, but I guess that's a bit far...
The reception can really be a problem for EyeTV 500 - if your
building is not right across from a large TV tower, and you don't
have a roof-top antenna. For digital cable, we do not have a product.
EyeTV 200 does work with cable, but it is not HD, and you have to
switch channels on the tuner box.
The current discount is good throughout Macworld Boston, but for
EyeTV 500 we are only taking pre-orders right now as the first batch
of units is sold out."
Thank you
Susanne Nowak
sales@elgato.com
I'm not real sure what type of reception that I would get with an antennae. Suggestions would be very welcome.
"We also like to give our customers "the personal touch", but as a
small company we need to be choosy about what shows we attend. We
will be in Paris in August, but I guess that's a bit far...
The reception can really be a problem for EyeTV 500 - if your
building is not right across from a large TV tower, and you don't
have a roof-top antenna. For digital cable, we do not have a product.
EyeTV 200 does work with cable, but it is not HD, and you have to
switch channels on the tuner box.
The current discount is good throughout Macworld Boston, but for
EyeTV 500 we are only taking pre-orders right now as the first batch
of units is sold out."
Thank you
Susanne Nowak
sales@elgato.com
I'm not real sure what type of reception that I would get with an antennae. Suggestions would be very welcome.
MrSugar said:
not to single MrSugar out but i just had to say that after reading this thread it seems that people are more interested in buying macs more for their look than anything else. Or at least thats the case with the new displays. You either have to be a serious mac fan, rich or plain stupid to spend five hundred more dollars on a monitor that is giving you nothing better than the HP. And actually if the people that are buying these displays aren't doing anything that requires top of the line LCDs like graphics then its silly. Save your money. Buy some stocks or save for something thats an actual asset and EARNS you money. You can buy a very nice LCD that will do just fine for a lot less. A monitor like this isn't going to earn anyone any money unless your doing high end graphics and even then i would rather invest what i would save by buying a nice LaCie 23 inch monitor. They have served the graphics industry with quality since i've been doing high end photoshop retouching and color correction. Anyway, enjoy your new monitors...if i were rich i would buy one but until my money works for me instead of me working for it i'll be more rational.
oh and the argument that the HP is plastic and the apple is metal? thats silly, its a monitor that sits on a desk not a hammer. All my TV's have been plastic, never thought they should be aluminum, how is that better again? Thats the comment that really made me respond.
sorry i didnt mean to try and deflate anyones consumer euphoria, i just thought silly arguments were being put forth as to why one shouldnt buy the HP. Go apple all the way. I've owned macs and only macs. I love them cause they serve as a great tool to my work. But im not a collector of them. Don't be upset, i'm only being objective.
ITMediaCo said:
not one, just thought it made sense. I'll check him out though.
Rocketfella said:
Rocketfella this is why your nickname isn't Rockefelle. Why pay more for the apple display when it's function doesnt surpass its competitors? A firewire port isnt going to make tonal transitions appear more natural, or will it? Will the aluminum assure color accuracy in all lighting conditions? Please note, i'm not pro HP im just saying that apples charging you a premium because its sexy and apple knows how to seduce. Isn't there a less expensive solution for one that needs a high end monitor, i would think so. I have many friends in the graphics industry and i only know ONE with an apple monitor. I work with high end images all day and a LaCie is just fine. But if you find you need one for work go for it. If your rich go for it. If your a mac fan go for it. If your just stupid, go for it. Bottom line is your spending more than you NEED to. But we all do it sooner or later. I just try not to do it as much as i use to cause this fool and his money has been parted to many times.
Actually, I will buy the Apple display based on the output of the panel as compared to that of the HP. The material the enclosure is made from isn't a deciding factor. If the better display enclosure also happens to be made from metal rather than plastic then it's frosting.
By the way, using the same panel alone does not make the image quality identical. There is electronics, backlighting, and what is in front of the lcd panel and so on that all contribute to the end result.
You can see this for yourself if you have the opportunity to evaluate them side by side.
By the way, using the same panel alone does not make the image quality identical. There is electronics, backlighting, and what is in front of the lcd panel and so on that all contribute to the end result.
You can see this for yourself if you have the opportunity to evaluate them side by side.
beatle888 said:
So you were in my latter category of "porn surfer non-professional don't care about image quality group," eh beatle888? Thanks for sharing your comment, for those who care about quality we'll choose to ignore them.
PS I assume you drive a Geo Metro because why drive a car that's built well when you can get one cheaply put together that could kill you in an accident.
Just got the email saying my 23" Display has been shipped. Finally. Now I get to play the tracking game. Hoo-ray! Hopefully my 2.5 is soon to follow.
child810 said:
I got my e-mail last night with the same info on my 23" display. I was hoping it would ship earlier than this. The ship date was on or before 7/28. I ordered it on 6/30. I am happy though. I am just getting ready to buy a digital camcorder to do some family video editing on iMovie and iDvd so this is good timing.
Already had my 2.0 so didn't have to wait on that.
Tim
Photorun said:
Good call, buy an expensive Hummer instead so it's the other guy who you kill in the accident. Mellow out, he is allowed to have an open mind and not believe that apple is God which is something way too many people on this board suffer from. I myself love apple, but its ok for someone to appear un-brainwashed.
I traded in my old and busted 23" for the new hotness 23" alu last wednesday at my local apple reseller, and haven't looked back since. The new displays are far supperior to the old ones in almost evey aspect.
For all of those with old 23 inchers that are thinking about upgrading, do it. For those with their new 23" in the way, you will not be disapointed, they rock.
For all of those with old 23 inchers that are thinking about upgrading, do it. For those with their new 23" in the way, you will not be disapointed, they rock.
dsyntax said:
And neither am I "brainwashed" by Apple if you've ever read some of my other posts. I admit Apple makes boneheaded calls, in fact a lot, when it comes to business decisions, market share, even pricing. Are the new Cinema Displays a little pricey? Yes, I believe they are, though they're in the ballpark of other similar displays. The HP's issues I read on other forums because I was intrigued in them as well, however, there are some quality issues there. Overall Apple does tend to invest in quality over most other computer makers out there, in some cases, leaps and bounds, and are you the type that thinks quality should be cheap? Seriously your snarky comment tells you are, Hummer, try a Toyota or Honda which is what I tend to drive (currently a VW). Does a Toyota or Honda cost more than a domestic piece of garbage American car? Why yes it does, it also doesn't break down nearly as much, holds it value, and is safer (Consumer Reports) overall. So you and your friend don't like quality, wouldn't pay for it, good for you, you'll be getting new stuff sooner and what you do have wont be worth anything in a shorter period of time. Of course buying things cheaper that break down more means you'll be paying MORE over the same time period than had you sprung for something just a little more expensive that's built to last but hey, your short sightedness (gullibility and lack of thought) is good for keeping the economy strong so rock on.
I'm not an "Apple is god" person, however, I'm a clearly a hell of a lot smarter a shopper clearly than you are.
dj_ryan said:I ordered my display 1 minute after the apple store came up the day they were announced. It was shipped monday and I received mine yesterday (thank you 1 day fedex). Apple says they are shipping in the order received... I suspect there were lots of orders placed in the first 4 days. Also note the apple store still says '2-4 weeks' for the shipping time on new orders.
So apple shipped monitors to their own retail stores, the ones near my house got some just late last week - but at the time they received mostly demo units (gotta have something to show off) and very few stock.
Your characterisation that people are just walking off the street and getting the display they want isn't entirely correct - I believe if you called all the apple stores, none would have any stock. A few lucky people who were in the right place at the right time (and post here
PS: Here is a picture of my display on my desk
Man...your window's open; someone could just walk by and snatch that nice pretty display. Look out for bored middle school and high school kids! (just a heads-up)
Photorun said:And neither am I "brainwashed" by Apple if you've ever read some of my other posts. I admit Apple makes boneheaded calls, in fact a lot, when it comes to business decisions, market share, even pricing. Are the new Cinema Displays a little pricey? Yes, I believe they are, though they're in the ballpark of other similar displays. The HP's issues I read on other forums because I was intrigued in them as well, however, there are some quality issues there. Overall Apple does tend to invest in quality over most other computer makers out there, in some cases, leaps and bounds, and are you the type that thinks quality should be cheap? Seriously your snarky comment tells you are, Hummer, try a Toyota or Honda which is what I tend to drive (currently a VW). Does a Toyota or Honda cost more than a domestic piece of garbage American car? Why yes it does, it also doesn't break down nearly as much, holds it value, and is safer (Consumer Reports) overall. So you and your friend don't like quality, wouldn't pay for it, good for you, you'll be getting new stuff sooner and what you do have wont be worth anything in a shorter period of time. Of course buying things cheaper that break down more means you'll be paying MORE over the same time period than had you sprung for something just a little more expensive that's built to last but hey, your short sightedness (gullibility and lack of thought) is good for keeping the economy strong so rock on.
I'm not an "Apple is god" person, however, I'm a clearly a hell of a lot smarter a shopper clearly than you are.
A hell of a lot smarter shopper...maybe. I'm not sure what you thought I was saying. If I were to buy a monitor today, it would most likely be an Apple, so I don't understand why you are attacking my shopping choices. As far as I see it, I merely stepped into the middle of an argument and tried to get the apple side (within this particular argument) to open up its mind a little bit. Are you sure that every product ever that was more expensive than its competetors lasted longer? I agree in principle completely with you that investing a little more in a long-term product is smarter than buying cheap crap over and over. I never stated my preference at all in this, or any other, matter. Only that beattle888 didn't seem that closed minded and you did.
Apart from that, I made one "snarky" comment about the accident thing (merely because safety of oneself in an accident does not always equal safety) and you feel the need to go on a rant about my gullibility etc. I'm not sure why you feel the need to do so when I had never expressed any feelings about this debate except that one should keep an open mind.
Maybe 1 year from now all these 20 and 23 inch monitors from apple will be dead and will not be a better value. I'm sure people with dead pixels in their powerbooks recently thought Apple's high price didn't necessarily garuntee quality. Thats it, I'm done, just wanted to say that I do approve of buying quality (and Apple) and that we all need to keep an open mind on things.
-Doops
dsyntax said:
Or my friend who's new iPod stopped working one week after he got it, or my iBook I got when the first Firewire one came out the CD drive stopped reading CDs two days after it's one year warranty ran out (yet it curiously still plays DVDs perfectly fine). Sure, bad things happen, but compare this to, say, the major university where I work (stupidly) bought a bunch of Dell laptops students could rent out (they throw money at our IT dept., it's sick) for an internet cafe, of the 25 they recieved, five didn't work, in two weeks seven others stopped working. That, right there, is legendary Dell quality, and the IT department thinks that that's about average, I doubt that's Apple's average. But that's OT, another department got a bunch of Dell monitors of which not a single one is perfect, a couple has a bunch of dead pixels, one has this really bizarre tint to it no matter what the settings, and another has a dead line across it (which is the only one Dell will take back). Again, quality matters, all this sending back and forth and championing mediocrity, sure you can save money... but look where it gets ya.
I appreciate you writing back though dsyntax and I apologize for jumping on you, it wasn't you per se, and I was wrong for doing so. That being said (and not to take away from my apology to you) my point about saving $200 is sometimes spending more long term still holds IMO, be that monitors, cars, etc... you do pay for what you get. My cheap ass brother bought a boombox by GPX, it lasted three months, first the tuner went, then the CD player went, he bragged when he bought it "it was only $39!" I've had the same Panasonic boom box for 11 years and everything on it still works and sounds great, I only had to replace the antenna once, it cost me $99 back then, he's probably bought four or five cheap boomboxes since then adding up to over $200.
I think the only fair way to compare, say, the Apple 23" and the HP 23" is in a few months when both are out and there's a better pool of info. And as someone else mentioned either in this thread or another thread that's running right now (over 500 comments) someone commented circuitry plays a big part in how well a display performs, that's another factor, it's not just comparing two same displays and then saying "one is more aesthetically pleasing" because there's another, less seen, factor to their quality.