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rg my brothers a football addict when the game is on I can't watch the history channel:( :mad: :confused: so I hate football

All you have to do is think of something weird that you suspect the Nazi's / hitler did and you can imagine your own show thats about on par with the history channel ...
 
However, it's all for naught, no one is going to stop San Diego.

you might be right (I'm willing to bet you are), San Diego sure is tough, no question...but it is the AFC. There are almost always playoff upsets in the AFC. Which is why you've gotta love the AFC. You just never know with that conference...

I'm not a fan of theirs, but Jacksonville could really sneak up on some people. A good running game and a rock 'em, sock 'em defense can take you a long way in the post-season...
 
if I could just weigh in on Vick...

back when he was at VT, WVU coach Don Nehlen said (quite rightly I thought) that the reason VT was so good was because of Vick; you take him away and they're "nothing special."

ditto with the Falcons...without Vick they are unimpressive.

however...

I'm beginning to think that Vick is as good as he's ever going to get. I don't think he'll ever be the kind of guy who can reliably throw the ball 24-30 times a game, which is what the west coast offense is supposed to do.

And yes, I know, his receivers suck.

But when you pressure him or you force him to go to his 2nd or 3rd receiver, he usually doesn't come up with the play. I think what you saw at VT is what Vick can do: he can hit his primary target, and if that's not open he can scramble. He never has been a really great passer, and IMHO it's unlikely he ever will be.

I agree with an earlier post about playing him at receiver. With his skills it's almost foolish not to.

I keep asking myself this question:
if I were building a team (not a fantasy team, a real team), who would I pick at QB? I can think of probably 10 guys I'd take before I even looked at Vick...

i agree with you to a certain degree. he has made better decisions this year, and his interceptions aren't terrible (like some people, cough Grossman cough...)

but i think his passing will get better. i don't think he'll ever be the greatest in the league, but better than it is this year. he's showed signs against the Steelers and Bengals. two great games.

and clearly he's got the arm for it. half of his interceptions are like punts anyways.
 
Beatsme, I can summarize your comments about Vick (spit) in about two sentences:

He was a GREAT college QB. He's a crap NFL QB.

In college ball, quarterbacks often are expected to run the ball. That's the nature of college ball. But in the pros, quarterbacks are expected to THROW the ball or hand it off to a dedicated running back. Running with the ball is a last resort, but Vick (spit) would probably run the ball on every play if he thought he could get away with it.

It's telling when a good QB like Donovan McNabb, who came into the league as a Vick (spit)-style QB but matured into a pocket passer, criticizes the guy. A QB who runs in the NFL is not doing his job... even if they do win partially as a result of his running, the fact is that one of these days, he's gonna get tackled hard on one of his runs and that'll be the end of his career (and a HUGE salary cap hit for Atlanta).

but he's proven he can win. look at his winning percentage as a starter. not too shabby.

he runs better than almost all the running backs in the league.

and since the defense is always looking for him to run, they hand it off to Dunn or even better - Norwood (who's average rush per carry is almost 7 yards) and the holes are open for them
 
I cannot disagree with that.. but will add a little. College ball isn't noted for it's defense either. I think a lot of the things that made Vick a superstar in college don't translate to the NFL. Yes, he can run like a madman, which helps keep Ds honest, but he really cannot be the 1 Man Show that he might have been at VT. He was incredible to watch at VT.

well considering he's going to set every rushing record for a quarterback, and he's the highest paid player, i think it's safe to say that he's incredible to watch in Atlanta
 
If the Panthers had been as amazing as everyone predicted, and the Saints as terrible, I'd have no problem rooting for Carolina.

On Vick, he's terribly exciting to watch. He's a tremendous athlete who happens to play quarterback. I'd like to see how he would play under a different coach. But with Atlanta's owner seemingly willing to pay whatever price necessary to keep Vick around, seems he'll always be there.

However, it's all for naught, no one is going to stop San Diego.

but Carolina still has a chance to make the playoffs....

yeah, some will agree that the coach could be the problem with Vick. my uncle calls Coach Mora - Coach Moran....but i'm not so sure if he's a good coach or not yet....these next 3 games will help decide though

and San Diego is overrated
 
but really, if i were the Falcon's coach, i'd switch out Vick and Shaub throughout the game, and really mess with the defense. but you gotta have diciplined players for that...
 
Twoodcc you've got to learn how to use the multiquote feature ... it should help you out a whole bunch.



Devin Hester has returned three touchdowns on punts / kickoffs on monday night football so he's averaging 1.5 per monday night game. he's really becoming an impact guy ... if only he could play offense or defense a little better, hopefully next year.

The Bears clinched a first round bye tonight.
The Bears looked solid again, Grossman was a bit mroe patient. He didn't make many great plays but he also didn't throw any picks. His QB rating grew exponentially and he saved his job for a few games.
The Bears are looking like the best team in the NFC this week, with the Saints either tied for best or close behind.
Devin Hester is amazing, and adds a much needed return game that the Bears lacked last year.
 
Twoodcc you've got to learn how to use the multiquote feature ... it should help you out a whole bunch.



Devin Hester has returned three touchdowns on punts / kickoffs on monday night football so he's averaging 1.5 per monday night game. he's really becoming an impact guy ... if only he could play offense or defense a little better, hopefully next year.

The Bears clinched a first round bye tonight.
The Bears looked solid again, Grossman was a bit mroe patient. He didn't make many great plays but he also didn't throw any picks. His QB rating grew exponentially and he saved his job for a few games.
The Bears are looking like the best team in the NFC this week, with the Saints either tied for best or close behind.
Devin Hester is amazing, and adds a much needed return game that the Bears lacked last year.

yeah i guess i do need to try it out.....:p

yeah, the bears got by again. i didnt watch much of the game (it grosses me out ;) .....sorry, i had too)

i don't think special teams will win in the playoffs, but i guess it could
 
yeah i guess i do need to try it out.....:p

yeah, the bears got by again. i didnt watch much of the game (it grosses me out ;) .....sorry, i had too)

i don't think special teams will win in the playoffs, but i guess it could

Special Teams alone won't win you a championship, but with a top shelf defense and an average offense who keeps it more conservative, you should be able to contend in the playoffs.
 
Special Teams alone won't win you a championship.

But special teams are a third of the game... and if you've got two otherwise well-matched teams, the one with the better special teams which can get better field position (even if there's no return for a TD) has an edge.

Incidentally, congrats to those in the MR Fantasy League who got into the playoffs...
and yes, 6 wins in a row means I'm one of them :D although don't expect to get any further playing Warbrain!
 
But special teams are a third of the game... and if you've got two otherwise well-matched teams, the one with the better special teams which can get better field position (even if there's no return for a TD) has an edge.

Incidentally, congrats to those in the MR Fantasy League who got into the playoffs...
and yes, 6 wins in a row means I'm one of them :D although don't expect to get any further playing Warbrain!

Don't get my wrong, I value what special teams puts on the table and I joked last night that instead of letting rex throw it, we should simply kneel and punt, and use the defense.

In the cold weather, messy games, special teams becomes even more important. If Hester makes some of his cuts, and he has the advantage of the other team slipping in messy weather, he might be able to stay just as spectacular.
 
Interesting remarks about Peyton Manning

from ProFootballWeekly.com

The Colts were not far out of the game when Peyton Manning’s body language already began to sour. At times early on, he sat on the bench by himself, with his head dropped in his hands. After consistently being held to three-and-outs and forcing the ball into double coverage, he walked off the field with his head hanging and shaking it in disgust. NFL evaluators who have been watching Manning for years are convinced he will never win a Super Bowl and point to his body language as the reason why. It may be an unfair criticism, but if leadership is revealed in times of adversity, some would argue Manning is not much of a leader.
 
from ProFootballWeekly.com

The Colts were not far out of the game when Peyton Manning’s body language already began to sour. At times early on, he sat on the bench by himself, with his head dropped in his hands. After consistently being held to three-and-outs and forcing the ball into double coverage, he walked off the field with his head hanging and shaking it in disgust. NFL evaluators who have been watching Manning for years are convinced he will never win a Super Bowl and point to his body language as the reason why. It may be an unfair criticism, but if leadership is revealed in times of adversity, some would argue Manning is not much of a leader.

I'd agree with that. During each of the playoff loses Peyton's body language is far from inspiring. However, I've seen other QB's do this as well, most notably Brady in this seasons defeat to the Colts. Come on, if you've just thrown a pick you're not going to be jumping for joy and the cameras will always catch that.

As a Colts fan the last few weeks have been very frustrating. It makes you wonder which way to turn. The only way I can see the Colts winning a playoff game is to score at least 2 TD's in the very early stages of the game and force the pressure on the opposition and play catch up.

This weeks game against the Bengals should be a good indication of how we;ll fare in the post season.

And another thing....quit playing Mathis and Freeney so ridiculously wide. Sacks are good but not at the expense of the rest of the D game.
 
This weeks game against the Bengals should be a good indication of how we'll fare in the post season.

the breakdown of the Colts/Jaguars game footage on ESPN gave 2 reasons for the Colts dismal defensive performance

1) undisciplined play at the line of scrimmage. Too many times the guys would abandon their gap assignments trying to head off the ball carrier, the result of which was that the ball carrier would run where the defender was supposed to have been.

2) poor tackling. A lot of guys (and Cato June got called out specifically) tried to collar the ball carrier from the side rather than trying to get a body into him. I'm not saying they're soft, but it looked like the Colts D was trying to avoid a lot of contact.

One of the things ProFootballWeekly mentioned is that the Colts D is made up of smallish players, and one of the theories in the NFL is that smaller players wear down in the latter half of the season. I gotta believe there's at least some truth to it. I'm 5'10", 170lbs...most of the Colts secondary isn't much bigger than me, and there's no way I could take that kind of pounding.
 
One of the things ProFootballWeekly mentioned is that the Colts D is made up of smallish players, and one of the theories in the NFL is that smaller players wear down in the latter half of the season. I gotta believe there's at least some truth to it. I'm 5'10", 170lbs...most of the Colts secondary isn't much bigger than me, and there's no way I could take that kind of pounding.

I've heard this said a number of times before. When everyone was applauding the Colts D at the start of last season (didn't last long) they said they're small and fast. A couple of the LB's are only 220 and the 2 prominent Safety's, Doss and Sanders are barely 200.

I don't think this is the reason though. You talked about Peyton's leadership qualities earlier but there's really no leader on the D side of the ball at all. You need someone to take ownership and stand tall. At the moment its the blind leading the blind.
 
I've heard this said a number of times before. When everyone was applauding the Colts D at the start of last season (didn't last long) they said they're small and fast. A couple of the LB's are only 220 and the 2 prominent Safety's, Doss and Sanders are barely 200.

I don't think this is the reason though. You talked about Peyton's leadership qualities earlier but there's really no leader on the D side of the ball at all. You need someone to take ownership and stand tall. At the moment its the blind leading the blind.

your point is well-taken. I certainly agree that the Colts D is lacking the kind of character that, say, the Baltimore D has. They don't have a Ray Lewis kind of guy back there, and that's what they need. Though I also think the entire team could benefit from an adopting a more hard-nosed attitude, like Baltimore, or Pittsburgh or Chicago. Indy's philosophy seems to be "we're going to score more points and win," whereas the other 3 teams I mentioned are more like "win or lose, we're going to beat you senseless."

to be fair, it wasn't me talking about Manning's leadership, it was a quote from ProFootballWeekly. Not trying to be a wise guy, just saying...
 
Special Teams alone won't win you a championship, but with a top shelf defense and an average offense who keeps it more conservative, you should be able to contend in the playoffs.

they should 'contend' in the playoffs, but i don't know if they'll be in the superbowl or not. but i think even if they are, i don't think they'll win.

i mean, Arizona had them beat.
 
i mean, Arizona had them beat.

so? pretty much all the top teams have had their bad games.

indy has lost to two decent teams in dallas and j-ville, but got obliterated by the latter. meanwhile, they also lost to a medicore titans team

san diego had trouble with the bills and struggled more than they probably should have against oakland and cleveland, although their two losses (to the chiefs and the ravens) were close and against good teams

baltimore has lost to 3 middle of the road teams in denver, carolina, and cincy. they barely beat cleveland and tennessee.


and really i'm not even sure who else is good enough to consider.

point is just that you can't go by one game or even two. especially when they're wins... plus, with the exception of indy, the other top teams (add new orleans possibly) have hit their stride recently, so the games earlier in the season are less important, especially if they were wins in the end.


dan- i signed up for protrade. pretty cool. i did something like that a while back but it ended up getting out of control where people had billions of dollars after a week. hah
 
they should 'contend' in the playoffs, but i don't know if they'll be in the superbowl or not. but i think even if they are, i don't think they'll win.

i mean, Arizona had them beat.

What does this have to do with anything? Arizona didn't win. The Bears did. Arizona also beat the Seahawks with Hasselbeck and Alexander healthy and in the lineup. That means just about as much to the Seahawks and their chances.
 
so? pretty much all the top teams have had their bad games.

indy has lost to two decent teams in dallas and j-ville, but got obliterated by the latter. meanwhile, they also lost to a medicore titans team

san diego had trouble with the bills and struggled more than they probably should have against oakland and cleveland, although their two losses (to the chiefs and the ravens) were close and against good teams

baltimore has lost to 3 middle of the road teams in denver, carolina, and cincy. they barely beat cleveland and tennessee.


and really i'm not even sure who else is good enough to consider.

point is just that you can't go by one game or even two. especially when they're wins... plus, with the exception of indy, the other top teams (add new orleans possibly) have hit their stride recently, so the games earlier in the season are less important, especially if they were wins in the end.

yeah, every team has bad games. but really, that fumble at the end of the game, shouldn't have been a fumble. James was clearly stopped, and they didn't blow the whistle.

but besides that game, their offense hasnt been very good at all. i mean, a quarterback rating of 1.3!

but maybe they will make it far in the playoffs, we'll see
 
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