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I'm sorry but the two aren't really comparable. Benitez hasn't brought through players of the calibre of Viera, Fabregas, Clichy etc. for next to nothing.

Benitez hasn't been at the club long enough for them to be comparable in this regard. He is building up a young academy culture and investing in that, this is much like what Arsene has done.


I don't know how you come to the conclusion he is a martyr - he may well not have the money to spend. And he certainly doesn't have the levels of money to spend like United/Chelsea/Man City - and even Liverpool to an extent. No way we could afford to spend that much on Keane. Indeed, this summer we wanted Alonso, but Arsene wouldn't meet an asking price of £16 million or so. He had a value for the player in mind and wouldn't go over that.

In regards to the Martyr comment I will try and explain it some more.

Arsene has money to spend yet he doesn't. He needlessly limits himself to a personal budget that is below the level of what is available to him. This ultimately gives him an immediate get out clause complaining about the lack of high cost players/budget. There is no way that Arsenal can't afford Keane. Liverpool managed to afford him by selling off other players. This has been the case for years.

Unsportmanship - Kanu didn't understand the rules of the game. He took the throw in and didn't realise the play had to stop. You've also said Arsenal "had" to replay a game due to their unsportmanship. No - the FA didn't make the game be replayed. Arsenal offered to replay the game, as it was a genuine mistake.

I know Arsenal offered (and I agree about it being genuine) and I just worded the first part wrong. Reading in this case said that they would be willing to replay the game. I was offering it up as a comparison case.
 
Indeed, this summer we wanted Alonso, but Arsene wouldn't meet an asking price of £16 million or so. He had a value for the player in mind and wouldn't go over that.

I disagree - I think Arsenal is maybe the most well-run club in the premiership, in that they always operate within their means. IF they ran their business like the other top three clubs they would be able to throw the same money around. They simply choose not to, and stick to their business model. Had Adebayor really demanded the ridiculous wage increase he asked for, and had Wenger failed to convince him to accept a smaller sum, I think Arsenal would have let him go rather than break the wage structure.

By the way, XIII, have you seen the squad Wenger is putting out for the Carling Cup tie? The average age of the squad is 18. Eight .Teen. :eek:
 
By the way, XIII, have you seen the squad Wenger is putting out for the Carling Cup tie? The average age of the squad is 18. Eight .Teen. :eek:
Clearly, Arsene's saving all his best players for the weekend. You can smell his fear from here. Heh.

Actually, thinking about it the neighbour's drain is blocked again so that's probably it. :eek:

Anyway, on to other matters. Sheffield United have won an independent tribunal against West Ham over that Tevez business. It seems that the Blunts are owed some compensation, and the sum of £30 million has been bandied about. Cripes.
 
It seems that the Blunts are owed some compensation, and the sum of £30 million has been bandied about. Cripes.

The bottom line is that West Ham should have been relegated. Period. So any compensation can hardly make up for the fact that Sheffield United got unjustly relegated. Still, they deserve a big hunk of cash as compensation, and if it hurts West Ham, at least they are still in the Premiership.

It might still be too early to say, but Newcastle are such a shambles right now that I can easily see them being relegated unless they get the ownership, power structure and manager's position sorted out soon. Ashley is a wanker for trying to make a big profit, he will be lucky if he breaks even or clears a few million quid. He needs to sell the club and let someone get started picking up the pieces.
 
I think Arsenal is maybe the most well-run club in the premiership, in that they always operate within their means.

Agreed. They have a firm spot in the Big Four, but spend less than the others and without the massive debt. A few years from now Liverpool and ManU fans may be regretting that their clubs didn't use Arsenal's plan to develop players within their system. And who knows what happens to Chelsea if Abramovich decides he wants a new toy? Arsenal seem to have made deliberate moves to prevent a ManU-style foreign takeover or a debt spiral. They've leveraged a large fanbase and smart player moves to achieve far more than other EPL clubs.

On the other hand, you have to figure that their prudent budget depends at least partly on the revenue from the CL. If they were to somehow end up in the UEFA Cup (or out of European competition altogether), then they might need to cut spending further. And at some point the fans are going to get tired of being trophy-less and demand more.

I say all this, of course, in the hope that I'm wrong and they dismally fail instead. :D
 
It might still be too early to say, but Newcastle are such a shambles right now that I can easily see them being relegated unless they get the ownership, power structure and manager's position sorted out soon.
Indeed. I think the manager's position is key, it needs to be sorted out and the players settled. However, it's unlikely a permanent appointment will be made while the sale is ongoing, as any prospective new owner is going to want their preferred man at the helm. Equally, if you were a manager would you want to take the Newcastle job at the moment? I know I bloody well wouldn't.

Some news meanwhile regarding Derby County, the second worst team in Premier League history. The League has ruled in favour of Derby's protest against the hike in ticket prices its supporters faced away at dirty, dirty QPR this weekend. The proposed £40 admission price was a whopping £10 more than the fee originally agreed between the clubs. It's good to see for once that sense has prevailed...
 
I just got back from the Emirates where I had the pleasure of Arsenal destroy Sheffield Utd 6-0!

Carlos Vela scored a fabulous hattrick but Jack Wilshire was involved in everything, superb :)

They say that the Wilshire kid is a bit useful. He is a central midfielder isn't he?

Glad to Arsenal resting some of their best players so they can't use that as an excuse for Saturday...
 
This is the squad that Arsenal won 6-0 with tonight. Look at those ages. Hope there are some future England players in that lot.


Fabianski - 23
Hoyte - 18
Djourou - 21
Song Billong - 21
Gibbs - 18
Randall - 18
Ramsey - 17
Merida - 18
Wilshere - 16
Bendtner - 20
Vela - 19

Lansbury - 17
Coquelin - 17
Simpson - 19
Mannone - 20
Emmanuel-Thomas - 17
Ogogo - 17
Frimpong - 16
 
Anyone seen Emanuel Pogatetz's lunge on Rodrigo Possebon? The lad should be banned for life even if it's just for contesting the fact he was sent off. Disgusting.

Arsenal were a bit good as well, my, my.
 
They say that the Wilshire kid is a bit useful. He is a central midfielder isn't he?

Glad to Arsenal resting some of their best players so they can't use that as an excuse for Saturday...

He seemed to be playing in all positions yesterday!

Here's hoping we don't need an excuse eh ;-)
 
Benitez hasn't been at the club long enough for them to be comparable in this regard. He is building up a young academy culture and investing in that, this is much like what Arsene has done.

Yes, but no - Arsene does invest in the academy and that is certainly where the likes of Wilshere are coming from - but he also buys very promising younsters that others have overlooked, who are ready in a year or so. van Persie came for £2 million, and within a season looked top class. Viera came when Arsene came, and immediately looked brilliant. I'm not sure if I've explained it that well - it's that eye for talent that is very nearly there that Wenger has, along with the young development programme.

In regards to the Martyr comment I will try and explain it some more.

Arsene has money to spend yet he doesn't. He needlessly limits himself to a personal budget that is below the level of what is available to him. This ultimately gives him an immediate get out clause complaining about the lack of high cost players/budget. There is no way that Arsenal can't afford Keane. Liverpool managed to afford him by selling off other players. This has been the case for years.

It is much debated between Arsenal fans whether Arsene has the money to spend on big name players. Chairman PHW says he does.. but there are other comments, rumours and sources which claim he doesn't. Truth is, no one really knows whether he has to operate on such a tight budget or whether he chooses to. My opinion is that he has probably a maximum of £20 million he could spend on a player.. probably £20 million he could spend in a transfer window. But he doesn't want to stifle out the incredibly promising youth coming through. I agree to a certain extent, but I do think strengthening was needed this summer in midfield and defence.

I disagree - I think Arsenal is maybe the most well-run club in the premiership, in that they always operate within their means. IF they ran their business like the other top three clubs they would be able to throw the same money around. They simply choose not to, and stick to their business model. Had Adebayor really demanded the ridiculous wage increase he asked for, and had Wenger failed to convince him to accept a smaller sum, I think Arsenal would have let him go rather than break the wage structure.

By the way, XIII, have you seen the squad Wenger is putting out for the Carling Cup tie? The average age of the squad is 18. Eight .Teen. :eek:

I agree - had Adebayor not conformed to what Wenger wanted he certainly wouldn't be an Arsenal player now. It makes total sense though - if you break it for one person, you'll be asked to break it for 20 more. It will just drive the club to either lose all it's players, or to bankruptcy. Arsene knows Arsenal is bigger than any player.

Yeah, I saw the squad - and recommend anyone who hasn't yet seen them to watch the goals. Carlos Vela looks pretty special, brilliant touch, speed and finish.
 
Anyone seen Emanuel Pogatetz's lunge on Rodrigo Possebon? The lad should be banned for life even if it's just for contesting the fact he was sent off. Disgusting.
Hmm... I wonder if a player who breaks the leg of a Manchester United star will be treated as leniently as one who breaks the leg of a Hull City player?

I await the League's verdict with interest. :rolleyes:
 
Anyway, on to other matters. Sheffield United have won an independent tribunal against West Ham over that Tevez business. It seems that the Blunts are owed some compensation, and the sum of £30 million has been bandied about. Cripes.

I posted the link 6 hours previous however mine was quite veiled. :eek:

I just got back from the Emirates where I had the pleasure of Arsenal destroy Sheffield Utd 6-0!

Carlos Vela scored a fabulous hattrick but Jack Wilshire was involved in everything, superb :)

That chip was brilliant, in fact everything about that goal was world class.

Anyone seen Emanuel Pogatetz's lunge on Rodrigo Possebon? The lad should be banned for life even if it's just for contesting the fact he was sent off. Disgusting.

Arsenal were a bit good as well, my, my.

Banned for life is a bit far perhaps. I watched it about 6 times now and yes it was a reckless challenge however if the FA aren't going to hand out a life time ban for the Tatcher tackle (used in the loosest term) or Joey Barton then I can't really see how it is warranted. Over the history of football there have been many worse tackles than that, an extended ban is called for yes.

Yes, but no - Arsene does invest in the academy and that is certainly where the likes of Wilshere are coming from - but he also buys very promising younsters that others have overlooked, who are ready in a year or so. van Persie came for £2 million, and within a season looked top class. Viera came when Arsene came, and immediately looked brilliant. I'm not sure if I've explained it that well - it's that eye for talent that is very nearly there that Wenger has, along with the young development programme.

The difference is the time scales involved Benitez needs semi instant results where as Wenger has almost got himself unsackable. Benitez has bought a lot of young talent who are coming through the ranks, admitedly they aren't as young as Arsenals but still to insuate that this is not happening at Liverpool is a bit far.

It is much debated between Arsenal fans whether Arsene has the money to spend on big name players. Chairman PHW says he does.. but there are other comments, rumours and sources which claim he doesn't. Truth is, no one really knows whether he has to operate on such a tight budget or whether he chooses to. My opinion is that he has probably a maximum of £20 million he could spend on a player.. probably £20 million he could spend in a transfer window. But he doesn't want to stifle out the incredibly promising youth coming through. I agree to a certain extent, but I do think strengthening was needed this summer in midfield and defence.

If he has 20 million to spend on a player he could easily sell 1 or 2 more players to make that 30+ million. Look at Liverpool selling off Sissoko, Finnan, Crouch, Carson, Gutherie, Riise, trying to get rid of Alonso to buy Barry (glad that didn't go through). With those players being sold it is about 70 million (with the added 20 from the initial fund).

People think Liverpool have spent big since the new owners have come through and yes they have spent more than they usually do but all in all the outlay hasn't been all that high. Wenger could easily do the same.

There are also players that are coming up such as El Zhar, Plessis, Ngog, Mendy, Flora to name a few. The success rate of making into the first team is certainly not as high as Arsenal but if they can be feed out to other Premiership teams ala Gutherie and make the club money with some making it through then that is a good start. These things takes years to mature and that is something Wenger has had. Yes he has done very well with the youth squad and it is high strongest point and something that every Arsenal fan should be proud of but I feel that he is valuing it too high and this is ultimately costing the club trophies.


Yeah, I saw the squad - and recommend anyone who hasn't yet seen them to watch the goals. Carlos Vela looks pretty special, brilliant touch, speed and finish.

I only saw the brief highlights shown on a certain football related youtube but he looks like he will be world class.

Hmm... I wonder if a player who breaks the leg of a Manchester United star will be treated as leniently as one who breaks the leg of a Hull City player?

I await the League's verdict with interest. :rolleyes:

He didn't break his leg

Possebon, 19, was taken to hospital after the challenge in Manchester United's 3-1 Carling Cup win but has not broken his leg as was first feared.

And in fact he was going for the ball, albeit recklessly, where as Gutherie wasn't.
 
the odds for Terry Venables to be the new NUFC manager have been slashed today.

link football365

He has been spotted on Tyneside today which has probably instigated this flurry, or is it Mike Ashley cocking a snook at the fans anti-cockney witch hunt?
 
Who would you want (realistically) to be the new gaffa?

It's the definition of the poison chalice.

Nobody will step up for that position until Ashley sells the club and people get a good look at the new owners. Also, the director of football and manager will have to be on the same page this time. If they get it wrong it can get a lot worse up there for the Toon army.

The toughest thing for the team now is for the players to get on with the business of playing football. At the moment they are so unsettled that just about any club looks forward to a match against Newcastle as an easy three points. Even if they do have Martins back.

EDIT: I was just reading Roy Keane's scathing assessment of the Sunderland players and fans in their Carling Cup draw...The guy is priceless. I think he will have a long managerial career and will end up with at least one top team some day. He's totally committed, expects the same from his players and isn't afraid to call out anyone.
 
The toughest thing for the team now is for the players to get on with the business of playing football. At the moment they are so unsettled that just about any club looks forward to a match against Newcastle as an easy three points. Even if they do have Martins back.

agreed, they are a soft touch with the amount of injuries to key players and a small squad without any decent youngsters to step in. The short term does not bode well as they are plugging the gaps with second rate senior players playing out of position. A change of luck with the injuries and suspensions is a while off yet, but it’s easy pickings for the opposition these days.

Still get the Spurs game out of the way and there is still time to pip Hull to a Champions League place!
 
Indeed not – I'd only read earlier reports prior to posting, which suggested that he'd suffered a fracture. I'm glad to see I was mistaken. Mind, as you rightly say the intent to do harm was there in Guthrie's case, yet no further action was taken...

Still get the Spurs game out of the way and there is still time to pip Hull to a Champions League place!
Steady on... I would have thought the mauling you suffered at our hands would have quashed such lofty ambitions, but apparently not.

However, excellent use of the phrase 'cocking a snook' earlier, so cap doffed on that one. :p
 
I'd be sad to see him go, but you gotta give the man playing time...He had a good run in the Championship last season, so maybe he should go back to that league if Brown doesn't think he's good enough to play regularly in the Premiership.

Hope we see him play in the Premiership.

EDIT: It's funny, websites often try to do player blogs, but they often peter out when a player gets injured (Micah Richards on the BBC last season), or follow a player who isn't playing (Windass). Of course, since the best players in the Premiere league are foreign, you won't get them doing a blog, in English at any rate. Christiano Ronaldo's blog would primarily be concerned with hair product anyway. :rolleyes:
 
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